Dylan was slain by Jorge.

It's self defense. It's only natural. He was harassed and Jorge Saavadra wanted revenge. ( He's only 14 and the authorities didn't do enough of a job to prevent it from happening. )
They were going to attack him again... and they did...

MasterOfPuppets

Romania6942 Posts

January 10 2012 10:28 GMT

#382

On January 10 2012 19:10 Marcus420 wrote:
Almost similar to Varg Vikerens. He was in a death metal band where his bandmate threatened him with torture and possibly going to kill him. Varg killed him first but the law wasnt on his side.

If the child was in self defence; the fucker probably deserved it.

Not to attempt and invalidate your point or anything, but Varg was in a black metal band and is in fact considered one of the most influential contributors to the norwegian black metal movement of the 90s. Just thought I'd put that out there so that nobody gets confused. Sorry for the off-topic, other than that I agree with you, like I've posted before.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 10 2012 10:31 GMT

#383

On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote:
Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first.

But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all.

Yes

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 10 2012 10:32 GMT

#384

On January 10 2012 19:28 nalgene wrote:
Dylan was slain by Jorge.

It's self defense. It's only natural. He was harassed and Jorge Saavadra wanted revenge. ( He's only 14 and the authorities didn't do enough of a job to prevent it from happening. )
They were going to attack him again... and they did...

It's quite clear that Jorge had no intention of getting this revenge you speak of.

isleyofthenorth

Austria894 Posts

January 10 2012 10:32 GMT

#385

On January 10 2012 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote:

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Yes

No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing?

Silidons

United States2813 Posts

January 10 2012 10:34 GMT

#386

No need to kill another human over being feared of being beaten up. Maybe he could have tried to fight and become a stronger man. Now he is still weak and has blood on his hands, what's to say when he feels threatened again he won't do the same thing?

Need to fight your own battles. Not take the easy way out.

S_SienZ

1878 Posts

January 10 2012 10:35 GMT

#387

I wouldn't say it justifies killing another person. The goal as the physically weaker party with a weapon was to put the bully down as fast as possible. The next dumbest thing would be to go for areas like his foot and aggravate him further. If the bully dies, it's tragic yes, but he really brought it onto himself.

Miss_Cleo

United States406 Posts

January 10 2012 10:36 GMT

#388

You guys are way too focused on the physical aspect of bullying. Bullying destroys you emotionally and psychologically, and I'm willing to bet the abuse descended him into madness; no sane 14 year old would repeatedly stab another human being. On top of the trauma already endured, he now has to cope with the fact that he has killed another human being. I don't condone his actions, and I believe that if he took a proactive stance against the bullies, such as informing his parents or the school, this tragedy could have been avoided.

It's a shame that the bully could not control his biological drive to dominate and control others, I'm going to guess that he had some underlying issues as well. This feeling of being in control and dominating others does have an effect on human neurochemistry, it's basically a "high" that the bully gets. I'm not justfifying what the bully did either, but there's always two sides of looking at it.

storm44

1293 Posts

January 10 2012 10:37 GMT

#389

On January 10 2012 19:32 isleyofthenorth wrote:

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No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing?

yup

RogerX

New Zealand3180 Posts

January 10 2012 10:39 GMT

#390

This really reminds me of that movie and book

The outsiders.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 10 2012 10:41 GMT

#391

On January 10 2012 19:32 isleyofthenorth wrote:

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No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing?

I'm disgusted by your lack of reading comprehension.

StiX

Netherlands220 Posts

January 10 2012 10:44 GMT

#392

On January 10 2012 15:07 firehand101 wrote:
he is only a kid, but still murder is murder

Only this isn't murder as that's not the verdict.
Trash will remain trash, this kid wouldn't have grown to be a good person anyway.

Phyrigian

New Zealand1332 Posts

January 10 2012 10:44 GMT

#393

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1664 Posts

January 10 2012 10:45 GMT

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Jakkerr

Netherlands2549 Posts

January 10 2012 10:46 GMT

#395

Bully got what he deserved in some way.
Death is a bit harsh but just imagine if u get bullied for a year threatened with physical violence.
And then on this day they announce it, hell I probably would have brought a shotgun.
Credits to the victim for remaining calm on the bus for so long until he eventually lost it.

Severedevil

United States4830 Posts

January 10 2012 10:47 GMT

#396

Someone should have saved the violent criminal from the possible consequence of his violent crime. But it is not the victim's fault that no one did.

Phyrigian

New Zealand1332 Posts

January 10 2012 10:50 GMT

#397

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Deadeight

United Kingdom1629 Posts

January 10 2012 10:50 GMT

#398

At my school, years before I joined, a kid got bullied for the way he looked constantly. Eventually this kind in DT sharpened up a piece of metal on a bandfacer and stuck it in his pocket. Luckily another kid saw him do it and told the teachers, and two teachers got there just in time before he stabbed the bullies eyes out. He said he wanted to stab his eyes out so that he couldn't see his appearance and bully him about it anymore.

In this case I'm guess the kid brought the knife with him for protection, which shows some sort of premeditation. However, I think bullying can drive people to do some seriously out of character things.

d00fuz

Malaysia129 Posts

January 10 2012 10:51 GMT

#399

Impressive, how can someone take shit for a year. Not by just one person but by a few people, for some reason I am not surprised the bully victim snapped and decided to carry a knife as protection. Too bad for the bully he pushed his luck too far.

Silidons

United States2813 Posts

January 10 2012 10:54 GMT

#400

Makes me sick so many people here think it is okay to kill another human over the fear of being beaten up. Remember that one bully in Australia? When the kid who was getting bullied just stood up for himself and dropped the bully? Yeah I bet the bully won't do shit anymore.

So many people in this thread are pathetic if you think that it is okay to kill someone over stupid shit like this. Worse comes to worse the kid could say "Look I have a fucking knife" and I bet you the other guy would have backed off. This isn't a life and death situation and almost every man is going to have to fight sometime or another in his lifetime, what ever happened to becoming a stronger person?

Could he have just shown the guy he was real by just slicing his leg or arm? Why did he actually have to fucking kill him? He's a fucking pathetic human.