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On January 10 2012 19:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:10 Marcus420 wrote:
Almost similar to Varg Vikerens. He was in a death metal band where his bandmate threatened him with torture and possibly going to kill him. Varg killed him first but the law wasnt on his side.
If the child was in self defence; the fucker probably deserved it.
Not to attempt and invalidate your point or anything, but Varg was in a black metal band and is in fact considered one of the most influential contributors to the norwegian black metal movement of the 90s. Just thought I'd put that out there so that nobody gets confused. Sorry for the off-topic, other than that I agree with you, like I've posted before.
Lol Vikerens was also a central figure in the Neo-völkisch Heathen Front (neo nazi organisation), claims to be a neo nazi himself and is accused of burning down several historical churches. And the claims that he only "defended himself" were never proved. He's hardly a poor and innocent man victim of the law.
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On January 10 2012 20:13 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:59 Phyrigian wrote:
Makes me sick so many people here think it is okay to kill another human over the fear of being beaten up. Remember that one bully in Australia? When the kid who was getting bullied just stood up for himself and dropped the bully? Yeah I bet the bully won't do shit anymore.
So many people in this thread are pathetic if you think that it is okay to kill someone over stupid shit like this. Worse comes to worse the kid could say "Look I have a fucking knife" and I bet you the other guy would have backed off. This isn't a life and death situation and almost every man is going to have to fight sometime or another in his lifetime, what ever happened to becoming a stronger person?
Could he have just shown the guy he was real by just slicing his leg or arm? Why did the actually have to fucking kill him? He's a fucking pathetic human. "Fear of being beaten up"? This kid was beaten up. If you scared the bully off once with a knife, you can be sure that the bully will be back with even more thugs armed with knives too. I have no problem with what happened.
Nor does the judge! Good thing we have a legal system in place that does not allow for knee-jerk reactionary types to make the decisions. "OMG! A guy was killed?? I only see things in black and white! Obviously the killer must be a terrible person and must go to jail!" -- No, it doesn't quite work that way. Not all "murders" are equal, sometimes you have to look at the circumstances. I agree with this call here
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I feel ashamed after reading some more in this thread replies like "He had it coming" "Doesent matter he's dead, he was a worthless person" "He was acting in self defense and tried to avoid conflict before his manslaughter, therefor he's 100% innocent"
I facepalm at humanity even here at TL, where sanity and intelligence is pretty highly concentrated
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On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote:
Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first.
But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all.
Lol if that does not justify it, why will time in prison justify killing? Or paying money to the family? What kind of charges are you talking about and why will THAT justify killing another human being?
By the way you are forgetting he was already getting bullied for a full year , so I think the bully got what he deserved..
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On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife.
Name one civilized country that has laws against carrying a knife.
I have been a bully victim, attack by a group of them at once.
Having been bullied I simpithize with the guy who killed the bully. If I had a knife when a group of bullys attacked me in school I probably kill him too. I didn't though and instead broke his nose and gave him a concussion.
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If you don't believe that bullying drives people insane, then here's a good case to start looking at.
If you're bullying someone, you are actively driving the bullied person mad. And a mad person does not need logic or reason to snap out. Either you harm the person beyond psychological repair so he can't stand up for himself, or he is going to stand up for himself sometime.
The bully in this story was playing with fire, and I don't really get all that surprised about him getting burned to death through his own stupidity.
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On January 10 2012 20:29 isleyofthenorth wrote:
I feel ashamed after reading some more in this thread replies like "He had it coming" "Doesent matter he's dead, he was a worthless person" "He was acting in self defense and tried to avoid conflict before his manslaughter, therefor he's 100% innocent"
I facepalm at humanity even here at TL, where sanity and intelligence is pretty highly concentrated
Knee jerk reactions and sticking to absolute sweeping statements like "Killing is always wrong" as truth, isn't intelligence.
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On January 10 2012 20:29 isleyofthenorth wrote:
I feel ashamed after reading some more in this thread replies like "He had it coming" "Doesent matter he's dead, he was a worthless person" "He was acting in self defense and tried to avoid conflict before his manslaughter, therefor he's 100% innocent"
I facepalm at humanity even here at TL, where sanity and intelligence is pretty highly concentrated
Quick analogy in grown-up language: So it's okay for the maffia to collect money from busnisses weaker than them, because they aren't killing the owners? (The maffia at least has a purpose, the bully was just "having fun".) Same thing happens here; no real chance for the bully to get punished for what he'd been doing for a year no matter what the victim does. (He's a minor as well, he gets away with a slap on the wrist.)
I wonder how sympathetic you would feel once 5 thugs told you they were coming for you...I guess you'd buy them flowers and hope they are in a good mood.
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Hopefully they learn from this and don't blame upcoming school shootings on the rap music or the vidya games. Bullying is a serious problem and has to be addressed a whole lot more then it is now.
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On January 10 2012 20:31 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife. Name one civilized country that has laws against carrying a knife. I have been a bully victim, attack by a group of them at once. Having been bullied I simpithize with the guy who killed the bully. If I had a knife when a group of bullys attacked me in school I probably kill him too. I didn't though and instead broke his nose and gave him a concussion.
Netherlands... and i very much doubt we are the only country that has laws against carrying weapons...
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Abusive circus animal keeper get mauled by the bear? I don't really care. Good on the bear in fact.
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On January 10 2012 20:38 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:29 isleyofthenorth wrote:
I feel ashamed after reading some more in this thread replies like "He had it coming" "Doesent matter he's dead, he was a worthless person" "He was acting in self defense and tried to avoid conflict before his manslaughter, therefor he's 100% innocent"
I facepalm at humanity even here at TL, where sanity and intelligence is pretty highly concentrated Knee jerk reactions and sticking to absolute sweeping statements like "Killing is always wrong" as truth, isn't intelligence.
always false??? killing in fear of getting beaten is always false
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On January 10 2012 20:43 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:31 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife. Name one civilized country that has laws against carrying a knife. I have been a bully victim, attack by a group of them at once. Having been bullied I simpithize with the guy who killed the bully. If I had a knife when a group of bullys attacked me in school I probably kill him too. I didn't though and instead broke his nose and gave him a concussion. Netherlands... and i very much doubt we are the only country that has laws against carrying weapons...
I don't mean to be rude, but how will you transport a kitchen knife home after purchasing it?
How would a goods handler open boxes if not with cardboard cutter?
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On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife.
"calling the police" will only make shit worse. not only will NOTHING happen but the bully will have even more of a reason to fuck u up the next week. the police wont stop the bullying. i should know.... ive been bullied quite a bit as a kid. bullies try to strike fear into you so you wont tell anyone and would even go as far as death threats just so they can continue bullying u without getting cought. thats why fights usually happen soon as u get off a bus stop.
the entire situation was justified imo. the bully could have EASILY beaten the guy to death. that is a threat on his life. he had every right to defend himself. would you have rathered this story end up with the bully being alive and the kid dead cuz the bully and his group of followers beat him to death? no matter how you look at it the situation would have been bad either way. the dude would have been beaten to the ground prob half dead or dead with the bully laughing his ass off if he didnt defend himself.
i know what its like to be bullied. i KNOW what its like to be surrounded by 10-20+ ppl all ganging up on u and egging u on to fight someone that is vastly stronger then yourself. i KNOW what its like to be on the ground repeatedly kicked by several ppl. this dude had a right to defend himself.
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On January 10 2012 20:53 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:43 Technique wrote:On January 10 2012 20:31 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife. Name one civilized country that has laws against carrying a knife. I have been a bully victim, attack by a group of them at once. Having been bullied I simpithize with the guy who killed the bully. If I had a knife when a group of bullys attacked me in school I probably kill him too. I didn't though and instead broke his nose and gave him a concussion. Netherlands... and i very much doubt we are the only country that has laws against carrying weapons... I don't mean to be rude, but how will you transport a kitchen knife home after purchasing it? How would a goods handler open boxes if not with cardboard cutter?
I would advise you learn your own laws... in Victoria atleast it is only considered a weapon if it is being carried with the purpose of being used as a weapon. This means that the kitchen knife and box cutter scenarios are perfectly legal here, whilst a pocket knife for 'self-defence' would land you in some trouble if caught.
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On January 10 2012 20:53 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:43 Technique wrote:On January 10 2012 20:31 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 10 2012 19:56 Regime wrote:On January 10 2012 15:11 HardMacro wrote:
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police. obviously u have no common sense, if sum1 is being bullied for a whole year how is that not enough time to call the police. carrying a knife to "defend" yourself is illigal in every civilised country. ppl put bully and victim in a scene and if its the bully its a crime if its the victim its ok. wat about the parents who lost their son bcos of a pycho child with a knife. Name one civilized country that has laws against carrying a knife. I have been a bully victim, attack by a group of them at once. Having been bullied I simpithize with the guy who killed the bully. If I had a knife when a group of bullys attacked me in school I probably kill him too. I didn't though and instead broke his nose and gave him a concussion. Netherlands... and i very much doubt we are the only country that has laws against carrying weapons... I don't mean to be rude, but how will you transport a kitchen knife home after purchasing it? How would a goods handler open boxes if not with cardboard cutter?
If you have a kitchen knife in a bag/box it's a bit different then if you're carrying it on you. Most knives are illegal to carry in public.
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On January 10 2012 20:49 isleyofthenorth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:38 S_SienZ wrote:On January 10 2012 20:29 isleyofthenorth wrote:
I feel ashamed after reading some more in this thread replies like "He had it coming" "Doesent matter he's dead, he was a worthless person" "He was acting in self defense and tried to avoid conflict before his manslaughter, therefor he's 100% innocent"
I facepalm at humanity even here at TL, where sanity and intelligence is pretty highly concentrated Knee jerk reactions and sticking to absolute sweeping statements like "Killing is always wrong" as truth, isn't intelligence. always false??? killing in fear of getting beaten is always false
You are having problems seeing this from the perspective of the victim aren't you? I have never been bullied so i cant speak for myself but i have read and heard about bully victims that wanted to die or actually killed themself. In most cases a violent reaction like this is the result of being driven over the edge. And you are still going on about how its wrong? What should the victim have done? Ask the bully to back off? yeah right. Go to the police? Pointless. Kill himself?
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