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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:12 JoeSchmoe wrote: funny how he mentioned in a interview he also wanted to get a korean girl friend. you must be mad. What is it with you and the completely random retorts? He likes the look of asian girls. So does half of TL if you look at the beautiful women thread and/or the wallpaper thread. He would not be in Korea if it was not for the level of the competition. | ||
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Klogbert
United States139 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:16 Packawana wrote: But were those games actually played out? This is the main thing, this wasn't a form of BM that was meant to insult the opponent in the way dropping mules is. This is BM in the way that insults the tournament and insults the viewers. If you play for any team or any sport, you are expected to give your all no matter what your standing is, no matter how far down or far up you are. When it becomes blatantly obvious that you're not playing to win (and reaffirm that post-match), then you are not living to the professionalism that is supposed to be integral in any competition. You must not really watch sports then...the Indianapolis Colts certainly aren't giving their all. The Chicago Cubs at the end of every year don't even play their stars. | ||
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ChoboKal
United States74 Posts
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surda
United States16 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:13 Pipeline wrote: You are setting a dangerous precedent when Gom starts saying a "bad strategy" is equal to abusive behaviour Swedes thinking anything about naniwas play was strategy. Scary. User was warned for this post | ||
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RedEyeJedi
6 Posts
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:11 quancer wrote: Coca wasn't punished by Gom because Slayers were savvy enough to act immediately to pull him from the tournament. They can't punish someone who isn't in the tournament so what do you expect? Yes they can but they decided to leave it to the team to decide on the punishment the same should have applied to this situation. | ||
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klaxen
United States361 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:17 zuperketla wrote: just stupid by GOM  But a highly intelligent move by Naniwa? | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:16 Jakkerr wrote: Like this has anything to do with respect. This has everything to do with the retarded tournament format forcing player to play unneeded games. Most people would have done the same thing or some terrible allin playing with 1 hand. I don't see the difference. Wait so Naniwa's blatant disrespect and unprofessionalism had nothing to do with it? Unneeded games are still entertaining and part of the tournament's structure. And no most people would have not done what Naniwa did. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
 Naniwa act like super star .. maby now he can learn some manners | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:15 tnud wrote: Oh shit there is an even more obscure rule? :O I would say bring on Kespa but I guess they are already here. "Only players liked by Koreans allowed to play in GSL" I know its such a bull Shit Rule.... "GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer." Wtf kind-of rule is this? Could it be more ambiguous | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:10 Vari wrote: hahaha now breaking a rule is an obscure reason A completely obscure rule that could be applied to almost anyone in code s at one point in the gsl games? | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:11 Dimon87 wrote: I guess the "global" part of the GOM.tv did not apply here. Really dissapointing. no naniwa = no longer global Let's ignore every other foreigners in the gsl because using hyperboles is cool | ||
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
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omnikaush
United States49 Posts
The only thing Naniwa can argue is that the game was meaningless from his point of view (no money to gain/ no opportunity to advance), so he decided to throw the game (Yes, worker rushing has a zero percent chance of working on a competent opponent. No amount of micro can beat a professional player who has more workers than you. Trust me on this one.) But the game was not meaningless from other people's points of view. There were many fans who were looking forward to a Naniwa-Nestea rematch. Hell, the Quantic twitter was hyping up the match 5 minutes before it started. I think it's fair to say that some (not all) paying customers were disappointed by not seeing a legit game from Naniwa. From a professional standpoint, Naniwa has to realize that there are important things outside of the game. One of which is being respectful in a foreign culture. Sure, in the US/Europe, people tend to not care about random walkovers/forfeits from players if they are tired or if they don't feel like playing the match. But in Korea, it is expected that a professional gamer will play out all of his matches simply in order to respect the game and his opponent. At the end of the day, did Naniwa do something horrible, like match fixing? No. And could he have just 4-gated or proxy-2-gated and saved everyone a lot of trouble? Yes. But the real issue here is the lack of professionalism/cultural awareness on the part of Naniwa. He has to realize that when he is in Korea playing in a Korean tournament, he has to show respect and play the game out (even if his heart isn't fully in it). That's what separates a true professional from an amateur gamer. Also, GOM is running the tournament, and that tournament is the best tournament in the world with the highest levels of competition, so I will still be supporting them. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:17 Tobberoth wrote: What about "korean tournament" do you connect to "the world"? Make sense. Global StarLeage | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:15 Malpractice.248 wrote: This. So much this Naniwa needs to grow up. ESL, IEM, Complexity, This. Not to mention he didnt do good in code a, hed get shit on in code s, especially when he wants to probe rush and not try. Yes it was. Do you really think that Naniwa and Nestea would have a good match after they both had tough 0-3 losses and nothing mattered anymore? They would never even play up to half of their ability so the matches would be boring and mean nothing. I do want to see Naniwa vs Nestea but then when there's actually something on the line, like a spot in the Ro6 or a spot in the finals like in the MLG global invitational. | ||
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GD1
29 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:16 trucane wrote: I guess this is what happens when you host something as the GSL in a country who hates other cultures. I am from Sweden and I have learned from young age to respect other cultures even if I don't always agree with them. I guess thats what is being raised in a civilized western country. Maybe we are wrong and should be more like Korea, force every immigrant to behave just like us swedes or punish them in every single way we know of. Would that be fair? Are you seriously retarded? Can all the swedish people here please stop ur retarded biased bullshit, u dont have anything to say so u spit out the most dumb shit u can think of. I'm from sweden aswell and this is just embarassing | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:15 Eviscerador wrote: Another spanish here, so it is nothing about "national pride", is about GOM overreacting to a nonsense. European pride then  | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:17 parkin wrote: Messed up decision. HuK mothership rushes and looses on purpose but is treated like a superhero. Naniwa makes a probe rush and looses on purpose but gets revoked by biased judges. Its pathetic and i hope more people boycott GSL. people wont boycott GSL dont be silly. HuK mothership rushed in MLG Dallas iirc. MLG. GOM. big difference. | ||
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Verator
United States283 Posts
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