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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:58 Greentellon wrote:
Too harsh punishment for a small mistake.
Idra forfeited a MLG match and he wasn't banned from Province. Maybe Naniwa should have forfeited that much too, but that was his only mistake. It shouldn't have cost him the Code S seed.
They didn't punish at all. They were considering giving him a Code S seed, he showed shitty attitude, they decided not to give him one.
How is that harsh?
You wanted to invite this kid to your birthday party but he bashes the crap out of you brother beforehand then you decide not to invite him.
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On December 14 2011 21:59 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:56 Nadarath wrote:
Well i just thought that:
- If Naniwa did most stupid thing in situation he found himself vs Nestea match
- GOMTv just made most stupid decision they could to punish Naniwa. If they really need to punish him there was at least dozens of better and more respectfull decisions.
Also to add Mr.Chae is a money loving monkey who just invited Idra based on his popularity to Code S. Not on his performance results (No offense to Idra - but lets be honest he did not perform well in past month) Actually calling Mr Chae a money loving monkey is a bit harsh. He/Gom did open the GOM house for foreigners, hire more casters to mention a few
Oh how noble of him, opening up his business to a large customer base!
He's just such a philanthropist!
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Some statements of the koreans are really stupid, like the money hunter thing, although you can get the impression that he is one as he seemed very selfish to not give a fuck about his game only because it didn't give him money at this moment even though it was the arguably most meaningful tournament this year and thus a honor to play in.
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On December 14 2011 21:56 Sethronu wrote:
How dares GOM revoke the free invite they were considering giving to the guy. How unfair of them.
/sarcasm
The guy friggin says the biggest invite tournament of the year 'is just another chance to win some money' for him, throws a game - no matter how meaningless it was - and you whine about him not getting a FREE PASS into the next season? Yeah, clearly GOM.tv is stupid.
Well, he earned his Code S Spot in Providence so it´s not a free pass given to Naniwa.
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On December 14 2011 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness.
1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech.
2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament.
3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach.
4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked.
Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values.
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot?
How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Naniwa was not given the code S seed through PROVIDENCE. There is NO code S seed for MLG PROVIDENCE.
So what is this then?
![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/244qxoh.png)
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NaNiwa and Stephano - the obvious money hunters.
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On December 14 2011 21:59 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:55 jojo311 wrote:On December 14 2011 21:54 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 14 2011 21:53 jojo311 wrote:
GUYS, you missed a point.
Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. (as MLG Providence had nothing with the Code S spot. )
how is that called revoked??
The truth is just that Nani did not get the spot and he can still qualify GSL for the next season.
HE IS NOT BANNED.
Its the same gosh damn thing getting un-invited for his 'Earned' Code S Spot is essentially the same thing as revoked. HE did not earn it. He would have gotten the invite based on his performance in the MLG if this hadn't have happend. That to me would mean he "earned it"
would have, this is based on your thought. not the fact.
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On December 14 2011 21:51 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:40 FaRess wrote:
How hard is it for people to understand "don't bite the hand that feeds you", seriously guys, it's not even about culture, he didn't want to play those games, they asked him to do it and he throw the game. How can people not see the disrespect in here, I'm not from korea and I can easily see it.
If you believe that the punishment is too strong, that's something else and I will tend to agree with you, but saying he did nothing wrong really blows my mind. Respect is something you need to deserve not expect. Politeness is something you expect. Naniwa was impolite, not disrespectful, because GOM did not deserve any respect by wanting meaningless pretend game immediately after three actual exhausting games that mattered. Of course in many Asian countries politeness is mistakingly considered the same as respect. Naniwa should have known that pretend appearances and not honesty are quite valued in Korea so what he did was not only impolite but also stupid.
I'm sorry brother but that's completely wrong, it is gom tournament which means they are the "boss" of naniwa when it comes to the tournament, they are the one paying, what you are saying is for example in my company I don't need to be respectful toward my boss, he needs to earn it, and it doesn't work like that in the real world.
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On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:38 Psychobabas wrote:
So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what. So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway...
He wants a refund in protest of the decision, not because he only watch Naniwa...
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Good. I hope he learns a vital lesson about respect and being a sportsman.
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On December 14 2011 22:02 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness.
1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech.
2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament.
3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach.
4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked.
Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values.
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot?
How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Naniwa was not given the code S seed through PROVIDENCE. There is NO code S seed for MLG PROVIDENCE. So what is this then?
A misunderstanding.
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On December 14 2011 22:01 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 Biane wrote:On December 14 2011 21:56 Nadarath wrote:
Well i just thought that:
- If Naniwa did most stupid thing in situation he found himself vs Nestea match
- GOMTv just made most stupid decision they could to punish Naniwa. If they really need to punish him there was at least dozens of better and more respectfull decisions.
Also to add Mr.Chae is a money loving monkey who just invited Idra based on his popularity to Code S. Not on his performance results (No offense to Idra - but lets be honest he did not perform well in past month) Actually calling Mr Chae a money loving monkey is a bit harsh. He/Gom did open the GOM house for foreigners, hire more casters to mention a few Oh how noble of him, opening up his business to a large customer base! He's just such a philanthropist!
I can sense your mockery, not that it contributes anything to the thread.
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On December 14 2011 22:02 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness.
1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech.
2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament.
3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach.
4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked.
Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values.
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot?
How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Naniwa was not given the code S seed through PROVIDENCE. There is NO code S seed for MLG PROVIDENCE. So what is this then?
Most likely it is TLPD's mistake in assuming that the MLG-GSL contract extends to 2012.
Simple mistake.
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On December 14 2011 22:00 pezit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:54 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 21:52 pezit wrote:On December 14 2011 21:47 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 Psychobabas wrote:
So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what. So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway... Not really, it's just my way of retaliating against GOM by asking for my money back, which I will fully pursue. Of course I would watch all players but in this case, I'll just stick to the free-stream. GOM was wrong and I will ask for a full refund, which should be done due to consumer rights etc etc We shall see. So...you are boycotting GOMTV but you are still going to use the free stream? Whuuuuu? And you people call GOM Hypocrites? Consumer Rights? LOL I think you will promptly find that you are not entitled to anything because GOMTV makes no assurances that assholes wont be kicked out of their league when they act like brats. I'll find other sites that uploads HQ VOD's and share them amongst my friends instead of paying for HQ pass, just because I'm disgusted by GOMTV doesn't mean I can't enjoy the games. so they are providing something you want and now you have an excuse to not spend money so disgusted that you are gonna spend time to find other sites so you can watch gom's content I'm sure you were planning to pay all along though. yup. I do pay for things I like, you can find almost all media for free nowadays but most people still chose to pay for some of it because they want to support it, GOMTV lost that support from many people today.
GOMTV hasn't lost support from me, nor from many other reasonable people here either.
It's all too easy to get caught up in drama and make everything into hyperbole. Just because we aren't noisy and outraged, doesn't mean we're not here.
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GomTV just back pedalling
Uninviting Naniwa is the same thing as Revoking Code S Spot Sorry.. but just no
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On December 14 2011 22:01 Pipper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:56 Sethronu wrote:
How dares GOM revoke the free invite they were considering giving to the guy. How unfair of them.
/sarcasm
The guy friggin says the biggest invite tournament of the year 'is just another chance to win some money' for him, throws a game - no matter how meaningless it was - and you whine about him not getting a FREE PASS into the next season? Yeah, clearly GOM.tv is stupid. Well, he earned his Code S Spot in Providence so it´s not a free pass given to Naniwa.
He did not earn the code S spot as MLG Providence had nothing with code s spot.
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On December 14 2011 22:02 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness.
1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech.
2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament.
3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach.
4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked.
Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values.
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot?
How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Naniwa was not given the code S seed through PROVIDENCE. There is NO code S seed for MLG PROVIDENCE. So what is this then?
An unofficial png not made by GOM?
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On December 14 2011 22:02 jojo311 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 nihlon wrote:On December 14 2011 21:55 jojo311 wrote:On December 14 2011 21:54 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 14 2011 21:53 jojo311 wrote:
GUYS, you missed a point.
Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. (as MLG Providence had nothing with the Code S spot. )
how is that called revoked??
The truth is just that Nani did not get the spot and he can still qualify GSL for the next season.
HE IS NOT BANNED.
Its the same gosh damn thing getting un-invited for his 'Earned' Code S Spot is essentially the same thing as revoked. HE did not earn it. He would have gotten the invite based on his performance in the MLG if this hadn't have happend. That to me would mean he "earned it" would have, this is based on your thought. not the fact.
This is based on the MLG rules. Your opinion is the made up one.
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On December 14 2011 22:02 Xax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:02 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote:
Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness.
1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech.
2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament.
3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach.
4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked.
Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values.
An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager.
I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot?
How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Naniwa was not given the code S seed through PROVIDENCE. There is NO code S seed for MLG PROVIDENCE. So what is this then? A misunderstanding.
That nobody cleared since then? Artosis, Tasteless, SotG?
Riiiight.
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