EPTTerrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 29
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:05 Diks wrote: Dear Terrans, I know you had a difficult life, getting through several nerfs and having to witness the other races being threngthen but please come back to the ladder, stop disguising yourself : I'm bored of ZvZ maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss  pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran | ||
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Monasou
United States218 Posts
Well I mean the marauder sound must've gotten annoying after 4 seasons.. | ||
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Sotark
Canada66 Posts
Switched to Zerg, got platinum in 3 weeks, I feel Terran is harder to gain "skill" at a lower level. | ||
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Dephy
Lithuania163 Posts
I am terran myself and i dont share this view, first of, im what u would clasify as mid to high master, playing top gm's every day, but pretty much never winning agains them, why? because they are better than me. I get owned by zerg and terran pretty handely every time, except i have decent winrate agains toss gm's and even agains pro toss players(thx terran allins  ).Stop whining start practicing... | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:00 riff wrote: I love the argument that the reason there are so few Terrans on the ladder is the lack of role models. It's just not true for Terran, or any race for that matter. There are a wealth of amateur and professional players that any T, P, or Z can look to for inspiration. No, the fact is that the ladder has become a very discouraging place for Terrans, both in terms of the difficulty of the matchups and the social stigma attached to playing the race. Most people would rather switch races or quit SC2 altogether rather than put up with that. Despite my 30% TvP win rate for the duration of season 4, I'm sticking with Terran, even if it means demotion and being maligned by other players for playing the "easy" race. I think this is ultimately the case. Many Terrans have to face ridicule due to the success of SC2 gods, while also dealing with some very severe matchup problems. In many cases, I see Terrans post either extremely terrible TvP or TvZ numbers, mostly in the 35% or below range. When you log on to ladder and you feel you will outright lose in 40% of your matches (unless your opponent seems to hand you the win), it gets discouraging. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
people want immediate power, thus they either cheese the crap out of their opponent or switch to an easy race. Since people trick themselves into thinking that cheese =/= skill, they switch races. Terran is freakin hard to play but it is just such a brilliant race when played at a high level. Why is it easier? I'll just give one example. Zerg can win by a-moving banes or moving them towards the terran army. The battle is not decided by how good the zerg can micro, it is determined by how well the TERRAN positions his tanks and how well he can split micro. See how even though if the terran is much more skilled and can pulverize the zerg army, if he does not have the adequate micro skills to do so, he loses? This is the reason why many terrans simply got sick having to always be the ones on the tight ropes and just play zerg so they can a-move and focus on other things such as larva injects. Oh yes, speaking of larva injects, terran macro isn't easier than zerg's. Zerg's macro system is much less subjective to supply blocks, which is basically the number one reason why people can't macro properly. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
And that is no trolling, this research got me up by 5% in matchups involving bio. Could also be due to the fact that the other races often think cloaked banshees are coming. | ||
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eeizbee
Canada19 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:24 Plansix wrote: Terran is very abusive at gold and below. Terran really rewards staying on one base for longer than the other two races and this can mean players get a lot of wins without ever expanding. I saw a lot of players getting away with stim timing attacks and stupid builds like 2 port banshee for easy, 1 base wins. I think a lot of these players hit a wall when those no longer work, but they haven't learned any other skills beyond abusing those builds. The terrans that do make it to diamond and beyond do so through more "solid" play that has a longer life. It is sort of like a protoss player who only 4 gates in every game. You hit a wall and likely give up at that point. Zerg and protoss have "fewer" builds that don't require you to expand and slowly learn that more bases is better. i think this has alot to do with it. you basically can get into gold or platinum with gimicky 1 base play or just generally easier wins (such as banshee vs someone without great control). that being said i enjoy terran the least out of all races, when i play as zerg even when i lose i'm saying "man that was a fun game" with terran i get 10 minutes in and i am saying "please come kill me this is so boring" | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:06 Namu wrote: maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran The game should be balanced around the highest skill level. If gold level terrans are not good enough to control their race to compete at that low level, oh well, sacrifices should be made. Terran cannot become stronger than they are right now or this game will die in the competitive scene. I for one will NOT pay for a tourney with over 60-70% terran players. | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:13 m3rciless wrote: Terran is pretty boring. I switched to Z, way more fun. i hear this a lot. everyone saying this startet as terran cause of the campaigne and jsut got sick of it ^^ | ||
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jackcatttt
United States7 Posts
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Jacuzzi
United States528 Posts
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
I feel that if the game gets past 12 minutes ish in TvP you are severely behind because once Protoss can get to HT/Colo/Archon/Chargelot, you are in a position which is just terrible. I regularly feel like I play so much better than the Protoss players I face, but if I just ever engage head on with their army it just feels like the Terran army has 20 pop worth of supply, and that's with me having 320+ APM during the fights, and the Protoss having half that if even that much. My macro, multi-task, micro, and pretty much all other mechanics are superior, and it feels like I am even, or just behind. My TvZ is quite good (75-80%) win rate, and my TvT is about 65%, but ..... TvP I am just at a loss for words (30% ish). Even with memorizing all the timings for the first 10 minutes for all the Protoss builds, and with good scouting, I find that my best chances of victory rely on cheese timings (IE; marine/tank stim/siege, 1-1-1, etc.). With more Protosses going Warp Prism that also adds another dimension you have to watch for on top of the all the other factors you have to take into account. Honestly, I think that engaging the Protoss deathball is suicide with any Terran composition. The MU will probably rely on harass / contain / abusing mistake of deathball positioning. Having to micro ghosts/vikings/stutter step/macro/split vs storm/colo/etc. against an army the Protoss has to 1a Zealot/Archon/Stalker/baby sit 1A Colo and then use HT to storm...It just feels like the Terran has to massively outplay the Protoss opponent just to have an even footing/chance. Even worse when you have to make that decision to either make Medivac or Viking...painful. Id like to share my oppinion from a protoss pov. Posts like that, are just around the way terrans feel in general. My friend who plays at an equal high masters level and me, we played around 50 1on1s. I really dont want to say protoss requires more skill than terran in this matchup, thats just not true either. Its a joke how every terran thinks they "outplayed" their opponent because they had higher APM, or apparenty better mechanics. If you take all your marines and run them into banelings in ZvT and then lose - you could have had twice the APM, your still dead. Thats just the way with HT or Colossus. On the ladder, theres SO Many different builds protoss has to deal with against terran, you dont know if hes proxy rushing (1 rax in base), teching (if you even mange to see 1 gas) 3 raxing 2 raxing or anything else untill you get an observer. Or he could be just going for some super economic play. Marines just deal with 90% of the early game protoss. All the early and midgame untill many HT or Colossus are out, protoss is shitting his pants, because you only need to face a terran that throws down 2 extra barracks / ghost academy / cloaked banshee and pushes you at some weird time for you to die. You need to react completely different to things like thor banshee, mech, or some other non-conventional play. I Feel that terrans dont nearly adapt their builds enough, not as much as protoss need to. People that whine are usually still doing a) All in, into QQ, b) 2 Rax pressure then expand, add barracks, add ebays, medivacs push. How am i not supposed to play well against this after facing it from two out of three terrans? ---- When i play terran, i have above 50% win against protoss at the same level, why?, 1) are my mechnics suddenly better?, 2) do i just know how to mess with protoss. (its 2) So, does the protoss deathball require more micro than terran? Hell no but that doesnt mean the Mu is imbalanced. ------ On Topic, i really just think the races beeing played always fluctuate, theres people that always stick to a race, and theres people that go with the flavor of the month. Nothing to worry about | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Basically, Terran is hard and is discouraging to play for lower level players. Edit: I think a reason why these threads have popped up recently is because before, everyone perceived T to be completely imba and so any 'Help my TvP' threads would be met with 'lol 1/1/1 or maek ghosts.' | ||
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Wipples
Canada269 Posts
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ParaSit3
22 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:06 Namu wrote: maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran deal with it every game I play I get messaged that Zerg is OP | ||
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RaKooNs
United Kingdom397 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:23 Xova wrote: I play Terran as masters, THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOTHING MORE! Remember that. I feel like Terran is the hardest race to play, ALTHOUGH I have never really played the other races myself, it is incredibly easy to get rolled over by protoss and completely out macro'd in the mid to later stages of the game by a zerg. My two cents on the table, I think people get frusterated with Terran when they game goes past 20 minutes because Terran is less forgiving than say protoss. So they switch to a new race. Again that is my opinion. More forgiving than protoss, whaaaat? Miss a forcefield or misplace your colossus / templar for a split second and you lose the game. Not saying protoss is weaker than the other 2 races but it is certainly not forgiving. | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:29 Micket wrote: Macroing as Terran is like having to larvae inject at every barracks How is grouping all your barracks ad pressing ddddddd aaaaaa as hard as larva inject? | ||
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