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On December 14 2011 10:53 Luppy1 wrote:
It's kinda awkward hearing people say zerg is an easier race. Can anyone give reasons for it?
A lot of diamonds-low masters are always claiming that games are extremely hard for them. I feel that's entirely because they didn't have to pick much skills when playing through the lower leagues. For example, those playing zerg would already face this difficulty through the lower leagues if they are lacking severely in their mechanics. But, terrans only face it at diamond, or even low masters. I think the difficulty of terran that everyone is talking about is probably only applicable at the highest level and it doesn't affect diamond- low master terrans at all.
I think it's a learning pattern thing. So at a certain level of competence, each race has a different dynamic. At low levels, zergs can get easy wins by massing lings and running by incompetent opponents and Terran can win with stim timings against inefficient build orders. In a league like platinum, where most players seem to work on purely economy/production macro, a lack of multitasking/micro/decision making makes a race like protoss the easiest, because they have the strongest flatout army. Once you get to master, people's macro/multitasking is generally at a good level, and zergs are somewhat at a benefit because their micro isn't as critical as a terran or protoss.
At the highest levels (ie. GSL), the balance changes a bit again, because Terran have the highest micro potential for micro/multitasking, so when players like MVP can use that to their advantage, they appear to shit on some Zerg opponents who perhaps aren't to the same level.
EDIT: for the record, I don't think Zerg an "easier" race, but I think zergs aren't playing to their full potential. Once zergs get to the stage of never missing an inject throughout the course of an entire game, scaling production perfectly, spreading creep perfectly, etc, I think they'll be ridiculously strong, if not OP. Despite not playing to this level of perfection (which no races are, but Terran are the closest to doing), zergs are still doing very well.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
I played Z in season 1, got extremely bored of ZvZ's switched to T. Stuck with it since season 2.
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On December 15 2011 02:06 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:05 Diks wrote:
Dear Terrans, I know you had a difficult life, getting through several nerfs and having to witness the other races being threngthen but please come back to the ladder, stop disguising yourself : I'm bored of ZvZ maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss  pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran
I'm pretty sure every race deals with that. It's called playing against a whiny cunt (interchangeable with "playing on the ladder")
/Terran
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On December 15 2011 02:21 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:06 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 02:05 Diks wrote:
Dear Terrans, I know you had a difficult life, getting through several nerfs and having to witness the other races being threngthen but please come back to the ladder, stop disguising yourself : I'm bored of ZvZ maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran The game should be balanced around the highest skill level. If gold level terrans are not good enough to control their race to compete at that low level, oh well, sacrifices should be made. Terran cannot become stronger than they are right now or this game will die in the competitive scene. I for one will NOT pay for a tourney with over 60-70% terran players.
Yes but what Diks is saying is that even when you are playing at a level where balance isn't an issue (anywhere below top tier pro), as T it is incredibly frustrating whenever you win a game you are met with Terran OP BM, when this is just not true. Terran is not OP at any level now, and if it wasn't for the Korean scene and the fact that the best players to switch from BW are Terran players, Terran's would be getting dominated in every tournament right now - there just isn't any Terran that is successful outside of Korean Terrans. So basically who wants to play a race where whenever you win it is never acknowledged that you played better than your opponent, it's just 'lol Terran OP you suck', I think the majority of people are getting sick of it when they see how easy it is to roll people late game with P or Z and are like screw it, I'll switch. Hence why we see the numbers of Terran players in Plat/Dia/Master leagues in EU and NA dwindling.
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I switched from Protoss to Terran, actually, Protoss feels stale as a whole, while as Terran I have various options.
It's way more fun. There's nothing more fun than multitasking several drops and your main army at the same time.
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I'm happy that there are less Terrans. That means i get to play even less TvT's
God, I hate TvT
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well a larvae inject is w, spacebar spam and v spam. spacebar auto-switches hatch. so a hotkey is needed for queens thats it
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On December 15 2011 02:33 weikor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:29 Micket wrote:
Macroing as Terran is like having to larvae inject at every barracks How is grouping all your barracks ad pressing ddddddd aaaaaa as hard as larva inject?
Try doing it while kiting zealots and not losing your army, that's how.
Here's an example of my standard TvX, fresh off the cpu:
"Cool race you have"
"Really good job you pick T so hard"
"Good job dude"
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feels to easy often you think you win because of your race not by skill so switch race to harder one
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On December 15 2011 02:21 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:06 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 02:05 Diks wrote:
Dear Terrans, I know you had a difficult life, getting through several nerfs and having to witness the other races being threngthen but please come back to the ladder, stop disguising yourself : I'm bored of ZvZ maybe if zergs and protosses stop balance whining after every loss pretty stressful part about laddering as a terran The game should be balanced around the highest skill level. If gold level terrans are not good enough to control their race to compete at that low level, oh well, sacrifices should be made. Terran cannot become stronger than they are right now or this game will die in the competitive scene. I for one will NOT pay for a tourney with over 60-70% terran players.
Please, it isn't the race it is the players. MVP is overpowered, not Terran. The same goes for Jaedong, Flash, and Bisu in SC1. You will hardly find ANY Foreign Terrans winning much. It's almost always Z or P in the foreign scene. There is a reason for this. It simply takes great game sense, decision making, micro, macro, multi-tasking, to play Terran to its full potential, whereas the other races do not require as much.
The game should not be balanced around the skills of MVP. It should be balanced to the average pro-gamer. If that was the case you are basically arguing to handicap an entire race for all the players because Flash, or MVP, or insert great Terran Player here, has a better player skill set than their opponents. Why not just use handicaps for these players if you want 'balance'?
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Everyone says terran has most options, while that may be true for the opening, you still see bio only in TvP and mostly Tank/Marine only in TvZ
I play Z, but I fully understand that thats not enough to stick with T
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How is this even a question?
Play either as beastly monsters who swarm their opponent with endless hordes of units or be this high-tech hyper-intelligent race with abilities beyond our comprehension.
Or play humans in space suits...
Dude!?
:D
To be fair I miss my Terrans cause zvt is my all time favorite mu 
And actually to support my kinda silly argument...
Terran has been the least played race on sc2ranks in the higher leagues since the game got released - even when they were considered the most imbalanced...
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On December 15 2011 02:16 WindCalibur wrote:
Zerg can win by a-moving banes or moving them towards the terran army. The battle is not decided by how good the zerg can micro, it is determined by how well the TERRAN positions his tanks and how well he can split micro. See how even though if the terran is much more skilled and can pulverize the zerg army, if he does not have the adequate micro skills to do so, he loses? This is the reason why many terrans simply got sick having to always be the ones on the tight ropes and just play zerg so they can a-move and focus on other things such as larva injects.
Oh yes, speaking of larva injects, terran macro isn't easier than zerg's. Zerg's macro system is much less subjective to supply blocks, which is basically the number one reason why people can't macro properly.
If any terran player is getting killed by a-moved banelings, I will eat my hat.
Will you probably lose a couple of marines? Yes. Is it anywhere near cost effective for the zerg player? Hell to the no.
Also, unless splitting marines is vastly different from splitting lings / drones... I don't think it's that difficult. Play through Day9's mental checklist exercises a few times.
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I've noticed playing less Terrans on ladder to a point where I am praying in the find match menu that I get a Terran just to break up the repetitiveness. Too many other Zerg players in Diamond.
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I love playing as Terran because I really missed, well, microing as zerg. Terran has so much to do and so many ways to improve! I find it frustrating sometimes but I know that I could have done a load of things better. I guess I am a relatively fast player (150/100 APM/EAPM) for my level (gold) and I felt that speed wasn't as useful with zerg (its like a reverse Lastshadow). TvZ is so much fun to play, TvT I like, I love long games (except for silly 1 base siege mode allins) and TvP is tolerable.
Real terran players stick with it and crush all alien scum.
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I chuckled at terran QQ that says they don't have enough options compared to the "30" varieties that toss has, and if anyone who don't agree is just oblivious to the facts.
lolwtf, protoss, variety? Really?
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United States7483 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:39 Linwelin wrote:
I'm happy that there are less Terrans. That means i get to play even less TvT's
God, I hate TvT
Having played random for a long time, I have to say you should consider yourself lucky, you have the most playable of the three mirror matchups. PvP and ZvZ both suck ass, TvT is merely tedious.
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terrans requires the most micro so. when i have alot of freetime and not tired i play terran, rest of the time i play protoss. much more chillaxing.
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It almost always feels easier for the other person when you lose. Most of the reasons in this thread are defeatist crap. Zerg only wins because Terran has poor unit placement? Protoss is 1a2a3a? Really now..
Terran is under represented, yes, but that is in no way indicative that they're a weaker race.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fKTVc.jpg)
As the referenced graph shows- there isn't some massive difference where Terrans simply do not exist at certain levels. Zerg/Protoss may be higher represented but this isn't because of imbalance or whatever.
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And yes, I don't get why people are complaining about TvT as a mirror, in most games, the better player will win unlike low level ZvZ and PvP which tend to be very random and extremely cheesy.
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