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Romulox
Profile Joined October 2011
United States125 Posts
November 12 2011 18:45 GMT
#61
I watched for like 10 months before a got a comp good enough to play sc2. I am gold now but have been watching the whole time because it is an awesome spectator sport even with 0 playing experience.
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
November 12 2011 18:46 GMT
#62
On November 12 2011 22:42 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 22:36 Enervate wrote:
"I have as much understanding as the pro level player of what's going on."

LOOL. I like how everyone chooses that option. Expect inaccurate results. If you understood the game like a pro, you would be a pro. Period.

thats not true, ever heard of mechanics ?


thats not true, mechanics are almost nothing in sc2. if you are a platinum, you understand the game as a platinum, simple. even same level progamers dont know 100% whats going on in progamers head when they are playing, people have different ways to see the game
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
November 12 2011 18:48 GMT
#63
On November 13 2011 03:24 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 22:15 Aterons_toss wrote:
Poll: How much do you understand the mathces ?

I have an understanding as good as the pro player themself of whats going on (147)
 
60%

I don't always understand the new tactics/meta game shifts but other than that i get whats going on (83)
 
34%

I onyl understand it at a mid-ish level ( aka upgrades are good, expansions are good..etc ) (10)
 
4%

I don't understand pretty much anything except for who won the games/battles (4)
 
2%

I only understand it at a "who microed better" " who has more suply" level (1)
 
0%

245 total votes

Your vote: How much do you understand the mathces ?

(Vote): I have an understanding as good as the pro player themself of whats going on
(Vote): I don't always understand the new tactics/meta game shifts but other than that i get whats going on
(Vote): I onyl understand it at a mid-ish level ( aka upgrades are good, expansions are good..etc )
(Vote): I only understand it at a "who microed better" " who has more suply" level
(Vote): I don't understand pretty much anything except for who won the games/battles



my god where have these people been hiding all this time?!
LOL


why you posting here? keep training, there will be at least 130 people as good as you if they learn basic mechanics
SuperGnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden240 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 18:49:18
November 12 2011 18:48 GMT
#64
On November 13 2011 03:40 Propanelol wrote:
Quit bitching about how there is no dual caster option, the poll is asking if there was only ONE caster would you prefer analytic or shoutcasting style


Well the question is flawed then becuse the game needs both in a duo for it to be interesting, new watchers need the analytical one and old watchers need to be entertained by the shoutcasting one.

EDIT: I prefere the shoutcasting ones, specially Husky.
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Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
November 12 2011 18:52 GMT
#65
I think its pretty "cute" when pro players believe their understanding of the game is completely superior to everyone who is a non-pro. For one, given the age of most pro players, odds are many of them have no experience with higher education. They haven't been exposed to some of the logical fallacies they're guilty of committing every time they assume they understand the game better than some random masters player. Is it likely that they do? Sure. Is it a foregone conclusion? Absolutely not. The BIG factor that makes it ridiculous to assume that a mid-masters player cannot have a true deep understanding of the game is the simple fact that Starcraft 2 is NOT a complicated game. There are nuances, sure, but there is nothing inherently difficult to understand and no actions that players take that think beyond 2 or 3 "if, then" type statements. If you are the kind of person that feels better about yourself because you have insider information (e.g. having sooooo much game knowledge in sc2), you should probably consider playing a more complicated game for gratification... like American Football. From body mechanics to play options to field position battles you will find a more technically difficult to understand game in NFL football than you ever will in a game of Starcraft... its just plain true.

Source: 12 years RTS experience, a college education, and an athletic resume.
meowmeow-
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 18:57:43
November 12 2011 18:56 GMT
#66
On November 12 2011 22:15 Aterons_toss wrote:

Poll: How much do you understand the mathces ?

I have an understanding as good as the pro player themself of whats going on (147)
 
60%

I don't always understand the new tactics/meta game shifts but other than that i get whats going on (83)
 
34%

I onyl understand it at a mid-ish level ( aka upgrades are good, expansions are good..etc ) (10)
 
4%

I don't understand pretty much anything except for who won the games/battles (4)
 
2%

I only understand it at a "who microed better" " who has more suply" level (1)
 
0%

245 total votes

Your vote: How much do you understand the mathces ?

(Vote): I have an understanding as good as the pro player themself of whats going on
(Vote): I don't always understand the new tactics/meta game shifts but other than that i get whats going on
(Vote): I onyl understand it at a mid-ish level ( aka upgrades are good, expansions are good..etc )
(Vote): I only understand it at a "who microed better" " who has more suply" level
(Vote): I don't understand pretty much anything except for who won the games/battles








You guys can't be serious.

Unless you are a pro, you don't understand the game on the same level as a pro.

Just because you know that immortals do extra damage to roaches, you aren't an analytical genius.
Life is short, waste it wisely.
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
November 12 2011 18:57 GMT
#67
On November 13 2011 03:37 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 02:54 Nukm_ wrote:
65% saying that they understand the game as good as the pros, lmao. this explains a lot. get real people

There is a difference between understanding and executing. One can understand a vast amount of information, but when that information needs to be put to use, the odds are, the pro will put it to better use and execute in a superior fashion. There are some scenarios in which one won't have any idea, whether they are pro or not, of what is going on. Big example, Nestea vs Anypro on Dual Site. Nestea went for a fast lair to spine rush Anypro, at that point Artosis and Tasteless were both stumped.

At the same time, the term "understanding the game" may be to broad as well. Does that me just a general understanding? Or are we moving towards areas that are clouded? Such as Nestea's spine rush.

Pertaining to myself personally, I am a platinum player and I feel I have a vast basic understanding of the game at a pro level. I understand the different styles a terran can use in a TvT, bio, mech, bio/mech, sky. I understand the concept of why mutas are so important in TvZ, not just for harass and containment, but for drop protection. I understand the concept of why blink robo builds are the new big thing in PvP. But, did I understand when Nestea spine rushed Anypro? No, not one bit. But that is a case of learning and going forth and becoming familiar with something. I've gathered that information now, I understand why that is a decent FFE counter.

All in all, while I may not be able to execute at a pro level, I feel I understand the basics and even to the extent of most of they "tiny" things, such as superior timings for certain units and why pros do it in that fashion.

Edit:Typo


Yeah, I understand things quite well too. But this isn't a "Do you understand most things that are happening?" question. From spending a ridiculous amount of time reading guides and strategy forum posts, watching high level streams, and seeing tournaments, yes, I understand the game pretty well. But not NEARLY as much as a pro. That's ridiculous. The amount of game sense and knowledge they have from all their practice is ridiculous: that's why they are the pros. It's not like a plat player could be a pro if they just had MVP's mechanics. You don't just gain mechanical skill from playing, you learn every detail of the game.

I like how I was reading it and I saw "pro" and said "Oh of course not that's ridiculous. Only pros and maybe GMs or top 8 masters can argue that they have that kind of knowledge, and even most of them can't compare to real pros. Mechanics aren't nearly as important as knowledge. Goody, Sjow, WhiteRa, and Axslav can win tournaments because they know the ins and outs of the game, not because of their apm." I wasn't aware that two thirds of TL members were GMs lol.
They're fools. You should eat them.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 12 2011 19:03 GMT
#68
This OP isn't producing any fruitful discussion. It's hard to even read at times, please do some kind of proof-reading before you hit the "Post" button.
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