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MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
November 10 2011 01:10 GMT
#101
All I need in life is decent internet and a ballerass computer and I'm set! I don't need fancy cars or clothes :/
Life's good :D
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:11:04
November 10 2011 01:10 GMT
#102
On November 10 2011 10:01 stroggos wrote:
if your going to go by individual wealth, crassus is the richest person of all time imo. He had the right to kill anyone he wanted and take their money. He owned the treasury of rome. he set fires in cities, bought all the houses that were about go burn down and got slave armies to put out the fire.

he died because he bought an army with some of his money and tried to conquer syria. unfortunately he was a terrible tactician and lost the battle. The syrians poured molten gold down his throat after he died.

I'm sorry, Ima let you finish, but John Davidson Rockfeller has one of the biggest fortune of all times, of all times!

He had 200 billion dollars, Crassus was indeed very rich (around 200 billion sesterce) but "most modern expert believe his wealth to be far less than historians centuries before had presumed".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_historical_figures
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
November 10 2011 01:11 GMT
#103
On November 10 2011 10:08 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:29 Thrill wrote:
Most of this is the stuff of common conspiracy theories fueled by blatant anti antisemitism.

But yes, there's certainly a point to there being money that isn't taxed. There's lots of it and these guys aren't the only ones who have it.

You're overestimating today's influence of money though. In the Napoleonic wars soldiers went where they were paid and fed. Today we have only one superpower and when it's in financial trouble, we're talking trillions. Sums so vast they dwarf the collective assets of that "1%" you're talking about.

No private interest, not even a Rothschild, can bail out nations today. The monetary system simply works differently. You can't control $'s the way you could bouillons.


What is this non-sense? Legal tender today is almost completely fiat money (paper). The Fed Reserve can bail out anyone and everyone they want to and have (The partial audit we got revealed 16 Trillion in loans / bailouts to foreign banks and Governments & Private interests like JP Morgan / Goldman Sachs / Citi / McDonalds / etc. etc.). Paper money is only limited by the amount of numbers you can print on a piece of paper (which using font .2 could probably end up being 10^60 which means paper is always and everywhere become worthless).

It seems you have no idea how the monetary system works in todays world. It won't last long -- you are living in the age of Fiat Collapse. All the paper money is racing towards zero.

Besides, Governments have always been under the influence of the most wealthy. The ones who need to be outed are those who receive Government immunities, graft, and privilege.

Also, the second richest person in the world if I remember is the Queen of England. She still controls a vast majority of the world.

You dispel his contention with even more preposterous conspiracy theorist garbage? I'm going to guess you like Ron Paul. No, money is worth something because we agree it is and because people keep working and making things. Gold is no more inherently valuable (as a conductor, it's great. But there's no mythical reason pegging currency to it will save the world).
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Happylime
Profile Joined August 2011
United States133 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:13:05
November 10 2011 01:11 GMT
#104
which is why we must return to the gold standard and fast? Money isn't worth anything "because we say it is" Nothing works that way, that doesn't make sense. If I print money and say it has value it's still just paper, and has no value. Look at early U.S. for an example of this.
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 10 2011 01:11 GMT
#105
On November 10 2011 09:41 Nqsty wrote:
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On November 10 2011 09:23 sekritzzz wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:14 Nqsty wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:10 JohnMatrix wrote:
400 trillon = 400 000 billion. its more than all the money in the world right -_-


Correct, 7 times more than total GDP in the world.

Also, the OP seems to think that a fortune can grow faster than the total aggregate rate, even though they apparently half own the world itself.

Who said GDP= Wealth of the world?

GDP= world's production in a given year. You realize the net worth of land alone in the UK can easily top 10trillion+? This is a wild guess but land is not accounted for, nor is gold and a lot of other things in the world's GDP


I'm pretty sure I know what GDP is, I was making a comparison just to put things into perspective.

And FYI, the total amount of farmland in the US is 2.5 trillion. Now farmland isn't land, its land with revenue, idle land is worth almost nothing. Farmland now is probably selling at something like 15 times land value.

Total amount of gold in the world is estimate 7 trillion.

According to The Economist, "developed economies'" assets at the end of 2002 were the following:
Residential property: $48 trillion;
Commercial property: $14 trillion;
Equities: $20 trillion;
Government bonds: $20 trillion;
Corporate bonds: $13 trillion;
Total: $115 trillion.


Developed economies include all Europe, North and some of South America, Australia, and parts of Asia/Africa.

So technically, OP is claiming that Rothschild's own TOTAL DEVELOPED ECONOMIES ASSETS + 5 TIMES TOTAL WORLD GDP, so.. yeah.

I mean, this is all just throwing figures around, I can't be bothered to verify them all, but seriously just.. just consider the statements before talking.


You are not factoring governal debts and fractional banking.

Governal debts exists as real money that belongs to bankers that issued the loans.
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kash2k
Profile Joined November 2010
139 Posts
November 10 2011 01:12 GMT
#106
Some people fail to realize that there is a "diminishing return" on owning A LOT of money. While you still trying to get your millions or first billion you can relay on interest and other "secure" growth programs. As soon as you start having a substantial amounts like tens of billion you run into the problem of not just making profit on that whole amount but to sustain that amount cause your money so spread out and affected by world market.

No reasonable bank will give you high %(even 5%) on substantial amount in this state of the world, it's a suicide.

It does make sense for them to own share in federal and world banks cause they can charge whatever interest they want and on those substantial amounts to sustain and increase their wealth. Its working and not like Nations go bankrupt every year, plus they usually bail each other out with money they again borrow in those banks :D
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Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
November 10 2011 01:13 GMT
#107
On November 10 2011 10:06 sc2holar wrote:
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On November 10 2011 10:04 Snuggles wrote:
This sounds like conspiracy BS. No thanks. I'm fine as long as I can go to sleep happy with a full stomach.

This is not a conspiracy and thats not how you should approach the subject.

i dont think the rothschilds are evil
i dont think they rule the world
i dont think they have much direct infuence over my life

im just brining this up because i personaly find it to be a very interesting gem of history.

Dont you find it fascinating that one Man, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, born as a poor jew in an antisemitic society, managed to lay the foundation stone to what would be the biggest fortune in modern history. and this happened over just 3 generations.



Well if it involves tearing down well accepted facts or hinting on things like "Ooh you think that's how the world works? Let me tell you how it really is!" I just flat out avoid it. Obviously if it has a very direct affect on my life then I'd give it a chance. But after having friends deceived by conspiracy theories, I have a terribly narrow minded attitude to these things, even if it's all true.

Call me dumb or ignorant, w/e I don't care. IMO it's on the same level as MLM slaves trying to sell you their product, and here you are trying to give me education. So just like how Verizon reps go door-to-door with direct marketing, I still have ill-feelings towards their approach.
Interloper
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:16:43
November 10 2011 01:14 GMT
#108
On November 10 2011 10:04 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:59 Childplay wrote:
can we get a more reliable source than Wikipedia? for all we know you could of just wrote that whole article

Wikipedia has a source index. The most reliable source you could find would be nial fergussons books wich were approved by the rothschild family itself.


Wait... So the Rothschild approved the book wich says they are awesome and kewl and have alot of $$$$ and that makes it a believable source? There is no way to fact check this. NO WAY!
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:27:40
November 10 2011 01:16 GMT
#109
On November 10 2011 10:11 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:08 Wegandi wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:29 Thrill wrote:
Most of this is the stuff of common conspiracy theories fueled by blatant anti antisemitism.

But yes, there's certainly a point to there being money that isn't taxed. There's lots of it and these guys aren't the only ones who have it.

You're overestimating today's influence of money though. In the Napoleonic wars soldiers went where they were paid and fed. Today we have only one superpower and when it's in financial trouble, we're talking trillions. Sums so vast they dwarf the collective assets of that "1%" you're talking about.

No private interest, not even a Rothschild, can bail out nations today. The monetary system simply works differently. You can't control $'s the way you could bouillons.


What is this non-sense? Legal tender today is almost completely fiat money (paper). The Fed Reserve can bail out anyone and everyone they want to and have (The partial audit we got revealed 16 Trillion in loans / bailouts to foreign banks and Governments & Private interests like JP Morgan / Goldman Sachs / Citi / McDonalds / etc. etc.). Paper money is only limited by the amount of numbers you can print on a piece of paper (which using font .2 could probably end up being 10^60 which means paper is always and everywhere become worthless).

It seems you have no idea how the monetary system works in todays world. It won't last long -- you are living in the age of Fiat Collapse. All the paper money is racing towards zero.

Besides, Governments have always been under the influence of the most wealthy. The ones who need to be outed are those who receive Government immunities, graft, and privilege.

Also, the second richest person in the world if I remember is the Queen of England. She still controls a vast majority of the world.

You dispel his contention with even more preposterous conspiracy theorist garbage? I'm going to guess you like Ron Paul. No, money is worth something because we agree it is and because people keep working and making things. Gold is no more inherently valuable (as a conductor, it's great. But there's no mythical reason pegging currency to it will save the world).


Wake the hell up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Thanks to Ron Paul we know a bit more than we use to, but it was only a partial audit. We need to pass the actual Audit and Eliminate the Federal Reserve. If you like your money constantly being devalued to bail out the banks special buddies and interests, then continue the agitprop for the Fed. As far as Gold, it has always been money and still is today, the problem is it is not recognized as legal tender (even though it is and it is the only Constitutional money with Silver), because the people had no idea about money and banking, but that is changing quickly. (Gold & Silver have the best properties for being money, hence it always emerges out of the market as the recognized monies)

Also the Government consistently uses their violent powers to throw those people in jail who do not want to use the paper money:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_von_NotHaus

You should really read the notes in the Constitutional Convention in regards to 'Emit Bills of Credit' (fiat paper monies) which was quickly taken out. There is no authority for paper money either Federally, or on a State level. It is in fact, illegal, but when has the Government followed their contract with the States?

The committee of detail, which drew up the initial draft of the Constitution, explicitly gave the federal government the power "to emit bills on the credit of the United States." They presented their work to the full convention for consideration on 6 August 1787. The debate was soon joined. Although some delegates spoke in favor of granting the power (including James Madison), the majority were resolutely opposed.

Oliver Ellsworth of Connecticut remarked that since "the mischiefs of the various experiments which had been made were now fresh in the public mind, and had excited the disgust of all the respectable part of America, [it was] "a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. … The power may do harm, never good." George Read of Delaware warned that the power "if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in Revelation." John Langdon of New Hampshire said that he would "rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words 'and emit bills.'" The vote was then taken. Nine states voted for striking out the phrase "and emit bills on the credit of the United States." Only two states (New Jersey and Maryland) voted to retain it.

The heroic Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts was so alarmed by the prospect of the federal government having this power that he wanted an explicit prohibition, but the other delegates thought it unnecessary. Experience soon vindicated Gerry's apprehension and desire for additional safeguards.
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 10 2011 01:17 GMT
#110
On November 10 2011 10:14 Interloper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:04 sc2holar wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:59 Childplay wrote:
can we get a more reliable source than Wikipedia? for all we know you could of just wrote that whole article

Wikipedia has a source index. The most reliable source you could find would be nial fergussons books wich were approved by the rothschild family itself.


Wait... So the Rothschild approved the book wich says they are awesome and kewl and have alot of $$$$ and that makes it a believable source? There is no way to fact chek this. NO WAY!


Nial Fergusson had acess to the rothschild archive, wich contains letters, bills and other historical documents signed by family members and prominent people from their time. If thats not a reliable source of history, nothing is.
you no take candle
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
November 10 2011 01:19 GMT
#111
On November 10 2011 09:48 ManicMarine wrote:
Marcus Crassus was possibly the most wealthy single human being who has ever lived. He was a Real Estate baron, who later shared control of Rome with Julius Caesar and Pompey. He reportedly owned a large swathe of the empire. He wanted to be recognised for his military prowess however, and this led to an ill fated attack on Parthia. He was defeated in battle, and was executed by having molten gold poured down his throat. A nasty end.


Quite possibly the most expensive execution of all time as well.
Interloper
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden217 Posts
November 10 2011 01:21 GMT
#112
On November 10 2011 10:17 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:14 Interloper wrote:
On November 10 2011 10:04 sc2holar wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:59 Childplay wrote:
can we get a more reliable source than Wikipedia? for all we know you could of just wrote that whole article

Wikipedia has a source index. The most reliable source you could find would be nial fergussons books wich were approved by the rothschild family itself.


Wait... So the Rothschild approved the book wich says they are awesome and kewl and have alot of $$$$ and that makes it a believable source? There is no way to fact chek this. NO WAY!


Nial Fergusson had acess to the rothschild archive, wich contains letters, bills and other historical documents signed by family members and prominent people from their time. If thats not a reliable source of history, nothing is.


History is written by the victors is what i go by. I don't trust the Rothschild archive nor can i be certain of what this Nial guy says either...
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14111 Posts
November 10 2011 01:22 GMT
#113
The brothers helped co-ordinate Rothschild activities across the continent, and the family developed a network of agents, shippers and couriers to transport gold across war-torn Europe. The family network was also to provide Nathan Rothschild time and again with political and financial information ahead of his peers, giving him an advantage in the markets and rendering the house of Rothschild still more invaluable to the British government. In one instance, the family network enabled Nathan to receive in London the news of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo a full day ahead of the government's official messengers.

What what the fuck fuck?

The head of the English family was informed of the final defeat of napoleon a day before the crown did? the guy bet the farm off of this knowledge and made more insane money then ever before. These people funded both sides of every war that the monarchs started one. They took advantage of every opportunity the world and faced it as a family. A House of not one but many branches all willing to do everything for another.

In the end they're all probably trying to make their predicesors proud. The ambition and the means to grow your family higher and faster then your parents. When the 900 trillion dollar derivative market blows up they'll be in the perfect spot to go on a buying tear like no one else. at the worlds worst they'll put they're money in and get everything they could want from all the nations on their knees. They paid for the first road in Germany.

At least we know that human greed will save the day again. We certainly live in interesting times.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 10 2011 01:24 GMT
#114
The 400 trillions figure isn't to be taken too literally. Even if the maths have credibility (which I strongly doubt), they do not have 400 trillions. Not even close.
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 10 2011 01:25 GMT
#115
It is actually pretty well known today that the Rothschild owned so much Gold that during the 1900s, they could control and manipulate the gold value themselves. It was later revealed and it became a pretty big scandal, wich is why they withdrew from the gold market permanently

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Happylime
Profile Joined August 2011
United States133 Posts
November 10 2011 01:26 GMT
#116
Okay so go back to being under a rock, if you don't trust era documents then you probably don't trust any major historical documents, don't be silly.
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Interloper
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 01:30:24
November 10 2011 01:27 GMT
#117
On November 10 2011 10:26 Happylime wrote:
Okay so go back to being under a rock, if you don't trust era documents then you probably don't trust any major historical documents, don't be silly.


Trusting any information coming only from a single source? Thats stupid to me, but that may just be me then...

*Lifts rock and crawls back*
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Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
November 10 2011 01:29 GMT
#118
On November 10 2011 10:16 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:11 Ancestral wrote:
On November 10 2011 10:08 Wegandi wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:29 Thrill wrote:
Most of this is the stuff of common conspiracy theories fueled by blatant anti antisemitism.

But yes, there's certainly a point to there being money that isn't taxed. There's lots of it and these guys aren't the only ones who have it.

You're overestimating today's influence of money though. In the Napoleonic wars soldiers went where they were paid and fed. Today we have only one superpower and when it's in financial trouble, we're talking trillions. Sums so vast they dwarf the collective assets of that "1%" you're talking about.

No private interest, not even a Rothschild, can bail out nations today. The monetary system simply works differently. You can't control $'s the way you could bouillons.


What is this non-sense? Legal tender today is almost completely fiat money (paper). The Fed Reserve can bail out anyone and everyone they want to and have (The partial audit we got revealed 16 Trillion in loans / bailouts to foreign banks and Governments & Private interests like JP Morgan / Goldman Sachs / Citi / McDonalds / etc. etc.). Paper money is only limited by the amount of numbers you can print on a piece of paper (which using font .2 could probably end up being 10^60 which means paper is always and everywhere become worthless).

It seems you have no idea how the monetary system works in todays world. It won't last long -- you are living in the age of Fiat Collapse. All the paper money is racing towards zero.

Besides, Governments have always been under the influence of the most wealthy. The ones who need to be outed are those who receive Government immunities, graft, and privilege.

Also, the second richest person in the world if I remember is the Queen of England. She still controls a vast majority of the world.

You dispel his contention with even more preposterous conspiracy theorist garbage? I'm going to guess you like Ron Paul. No, money is worth something because we agree it is and because people keep working and making things. Gold is no more inherently valuable (as a conductor, it's great. But there's no mythical reason pegging currency to it will save the world).


Wake the hell up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Thanks to Ron Paul we know a bit more than we use to, but it was only a partial audit. We need to pass the actual Audit and Eliminate the Federal Reserve. If you like your money constantly being devalued to bail out the banks special buddies and interests, then continue the agitprop for the Fed. As far as Gold, it has always been money and still is today, the problem is it is not recognized as legal tender (even though it is and it is the only Constitutional money with Silver), because the people had no idea about money and banking, but that is changing quickly. (Gold & Silver have the best properties for being money, hence it always emerges out of the market as the recognized monies)

Also the Government consistently uses their violent powers to throw those people in jail who do not want to use the paper money:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_von_NotHaus

You should really read the notes in the Constitutional Convention in regards to 'Emit Bills of Credit' (fiat paper monies) which was quickly taken out. There is no authority for paper money either Federally, or on a State level. It is in fact, illegal, but when has the Government followed their contract with the States?

Show nested quote +
The committee of detail, which drew up the initial draft of the Constitution, explicitly gave the federal government the power "to emit bills on the credit of the United States." They presented their work to the full convention for consideration on 6 August 1787. The debate was soon joined. Although some delegates spoke in favor of granting the power (including James Madison), the majority were resolutely opposed.

Oliver Ellsworth of Connecticut remarked that since "the mischiefs of the various experiments which had been made were now fresh in the public mind, and had excited the disgust of all the respectable part of America, [it was] "a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. … The power may do harm, never good." George Read of Delaware warned that the power "if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in Revelation." John Langdon of New Hampshire said that he would "rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words 'and emit bills.'" The vote was then taken. Nine states voted for striking out the phrase "and emit bills on the credit of the United States." Only two states (New Jersey and Maryland) voted to retain it.

The heroic Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts was so alarmed by the prospect of the federal government having this power that he wanted an explicit prohibition, but the other delegates thought it unnecessary. Experience soon vindicated Gerry's apprehension and desire for additional safeguards.


This is all garbage. My god I'm am taking my head out of this thread immediately. I suggest you folks do the same. There's no point in arguing with each other here now that I've seen this bullshit.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14111 Posts
November 10 2011 01:30 GMT
#119
On November 10 2011 10:19 Weasel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:48 ManicMarine wrote:
Marcus Crassus was possibly the most wealthy single human being who has ever lived. He was a Real Estate baron, who later shared control of Rome with Julius Caesar and Pompey. He reportedly owned a large swathe of the empire. He wanted to be recognised for his military prowess however, and this led to an ill fated attack on Parthia. He was defeated in battle, and was executed by having molten gold poured down his throat. A nasty end.


Quite possibly the most expensive execution of all time as well.



they melted down the eagles that the legions carried into battle. Gold was not the same in the arab lands as it was in the roman lands. They probably were not going to be trading with the romans for some time and the china dynasty was on the other side of the long desert and wasn't very stable at the time. The propaganda and the moral boost was probably worth it.
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kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
November 10 2011 01:32 GMT
#120
No one knows how much the Rothschild family's net worth is, but it probably dwarfs any other individual person's wealth. Remember, these guys financed both the British and the French during the Napoleonic Wars. That shows you the influence and wealth the Rothschilds bring.
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