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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:09 Interloper wrote: Again with the epic source web-site... The site even has the word "rumor" in its adress. You can find similiar articles in official english newspapers. There is nothing to debate here, Lord Victor himself admitted to "Being a leftist, but never a soviet spy". | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
But also i didn't know Forbes didn't take into account inherited, i mean even if those numbers are off by a few trillion (lol) the wealth they have is absolutely scary | ||
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Tevo
Netherlands75 Posts
On November 10 2011 10:56 sc2holar wrote: Billionares are self made. but Trillionares are heirs to the great old families. I have no source but im pretty sure Rockefeller is up there with the Rothschild, along with the queen of Holland. The Queen of Holland? Please elaborate, I know the Dutch royal family has been in some shady business over the years, especially in the World Wars, but to class them right up there with the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds? Also, I find this subject crazy interesting, but apart from the odd Zeitgeist vid or some funny animations I'm not really able to find too much freely accessible information on it. Could you state some of your sources? I wouldn't mind reading a good book on the subject or at least some info site. Thanks. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:18 Tevo wrote: The Queen of Holland? Please elaborate, I know the Dutch royal family has been in some shady business over the years, especially in the World Wars, but to class them right up there with the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds? Also, I find this subject crazy interesting, but apart from the odd Zeitgeist vid or some funny animations I'm not really able to find too much freely accessible information on it. Could you state some of your sources? I wouldn't mind reading a good book on the subject or at least some info site. Thanks. Niall Ferguson's books or his documentary 'The Ascent of Money'. | ||
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Interloper
Sweden217 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:18 sc2holar wrote: You can find similiar articles in official english newspapers. There is nothing to debate here, Lord Victor himself admitted to "Being a leftist, but never a soviet spy". So why would you post such a stupid source for your information? It dose not make sense. "This obscure kinda shitty looking website with no contact information has the information i want! I'll pick that one over this other trustworthy website" Please explain. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On November 10 2011 10:11 Happylime wrote: which is why we must return to the gold standard and fast? Money isn't worth anything "because we say it is" Nothing works that way, that doesn't make sense. If I print money and say it has value it's still just paper, and has no value. Look at early U.S. for an example of this. Your version of logic is interesting. "Money is worth something only because we believe in governments as guarantors and we agree on it. Gold is worth something only because we believe in governments as guarantors and we agree on it. Therefore, we must return to the gold standard." Comical. This is all conspiracy theory. Oooh, a family is very rich? Aliens, 9/11, etc. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On November 10 2011 09:50 sc2holar wrote: You know about dollar value fluctuation right? the multiplication comes from factoring in the value of the currency 1850 vs today. 6billion dollars in 1850 would be equal in buying value to around 300 trillions today. Depending on the interest, the family trust could easily hold 400-500 trillions today. It would of course be impossible to prove, but its a technical possibility, Dollar value fluctuation... probably easier to just say inflation? Unfortunately I think you're confused. $6 billion dollars in 1850 is equal in purchasing power to $173 billion in 2010, according to this program which is the first thing that came up in google when I searched "historical purchasing power". http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/uscompare/index.php He is applying a 6% interest rate onto that in addition to regular inflation, presumably from investing. He is assuming not only that ALL of the money was invested (none was spent), but also that the average return on those investments for the last 160 years is 6%. Its just a silly addition. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I'm just working off of very messy resources off Google and while they're interesting, they do seem like hearsay and cute urban legends. While I have no doubt that this family is extremely rich, are there any usable sources stating that they're significantly richer than Forbe's rich people, or do I have to go off of some random people's wild guesses - guesses which may very well be the rambling of guys wanting to make themselves interesting. Just throw me a bone here, I've been looking into this for a bit. I'm sure it's actually impossible to really KNOW and that's torture to me  I know I certainly couldn't write a very credible paper off of what I'm given here. Give me stuff I can write a paper off of  | ||
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:17 TheDraken wrote: who gives a shit if they have the modern equivalent of 400 trillion? obviously if forbes doesn't recognize it because it's non-taxable it all has to be stashed away and out of circulation, which makes it as good as worthless. i don't even believe that any one of them actually controls more than several billion, and even if they did have access to 400 trillion what would it be good for? over about 100 billion you reach a point where everything in life is basically free, and yet the majority of the rothschilds have lived rather miserable lives. good majority of them grew up in sheltered microcosms and wanted to live conventional lives, but were forced into a life of upright aristocracy and banking. read any one of the multitude of biographies on these individuals and chances are they spent time collecting some fancy cars, collected some exotic bugs, ran some obscure bank, met some big wig from some other company, got married, was unhappy, got divorced soon after, bought some estate and lived in relative isolation, was introduced to someone else while out in a vineyard, got married, had a child, got divorced again. thrilling. My favorite rothschild is Lord Walter the 2nd Baron of the english branch. He was quite different from the other barons, as he dedicated his life to biology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild At its largest, Rothschild's collection included 300,000 bird skins, 200,000 birds' eggs, 2,250,000 butterflies, and 30,000 beetles, as well as thousands of specimens of mammals, reptiles, and fishes. They formed the largest zoological collection ever amassed by a private individual. He was the first to describe the Rothschild giraffe (Giraffa camelopardis rothschildi], a subspecies with five horns instead of two, which was named after him. It also known as the Ugandan or Baringo Giraffe, and is the most endangered of the nine subspecies. Another 153 insects, 58 birds, 17 mammals, three fish, three spiders, two reptiles, one millipede, and one worm also carry his name. Rothschild opened his private museum in 1892. It housed one of the largest natural history collections in the world, and was open to the public. In 1932 he was forced to sell the vast majority of his bird collection to the American Museum of Natural History after being blackmailed by a woman. In 1936 he donated the rest of the collection to the Trustees of the British Museum. The Walter Rothschild Zoological Museum at Tring is now a division of the Natural History Museum. He Proved that Wild Zebras could be tamed by riding a carriage driven by Zebras to buckingham Palace, and in his garden he would travel around by riding on the back of a giant turtle. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/WalterRothschildWithZebras.jpg/220px-WalterRothschildWithZebras.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/RothschildTortoise.png/220px-RothschildTortoise.png) | ||
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retroactivekingpin
United States35 Posts
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
Rich people are RICH. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:20 Ancestral wrote: Comical. This is all conspiracy theory. Oooh, a family is very rich? Aliens, 9/11, etc. You turn it into a conspiracy theory. Im just posting stuff from the history books. Yes, this family is very rich and very interesting, and that is all i want to tell people by creating this thread. I find it interesting, lots of others do, but if history is not your cup of tea, then fine. but dont derail the thread. | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On November 10 2011 10:32 kakaman wrote: No one knows how much the Rothschild family's net worth is, but it probably dwarfs any other individual person's wealth. Remember, these guys financed both the British and the French during the Napoleonic Wars. That shows you the influence and wealth the Rothschilds bring. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Fugger That guy was what struck me in the face once I learned about the whole Fugger family in school. He owned something like 80 million euro in today's gold value (multiplying his original capital by 10 over his life) and controlled Europe. I mean controlled. He made kings, got himself crowned, initiated and prevented wars, it's beyond belief. The english page unfortunately is rather lackluster but you can't just go by the nominal value here. Considering the average living expenses his fortune was beyond anything we have in the world today. It's all based on a long family history but wow did that guy get rich.You have to realise that he had more money than any country(!) at the time. Now Rothschild may be a huge monetary power today but it's all dwarfed if you qualify it. I'll spare you the political part of my post here^^ I just wanted to put this in perspective for fun. There are some really rich people in this world's history^^ | ||
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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
$400 trillion? that is one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard. The total US government debt is what 11 trillion? and they are basically screwed and cant pay it back. Bill and Warren have what $60billion each... But apparently the rothchild's have 6,666 times as much money as Bill gates and Warren buffet. I could believe that some rich old family has say 50-200 billion tops but even 200billion is likely to be a stretch. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:37 sc2holar wrote: You turn it into a conspiracy theory. Im just posting stuff from the history books. Yes, this family is very rich and very interesting, and that is all i want to tell people by creating this thread. I find it interesting, lots of others do, but if history is not your cup of tea, then fine. but dont derail the thread. You make it a conspiracy theory by coming up with rediculous sums. You claim this family has approximately 6,666 times more money than the richest man in the world. (400 trillion divided by 60billion). | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:40 Timerly wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Fugger That guy was what struck me in the face once I learned about the whole Fugger family in school. He owned something like 80 million euro in today's gold value (multiplying his original capital by 10 over his life) and controlled Europe. I mean controlled. He made kings, got himself crowned, initiated and prevented wars, it's beyond belief. The english page unfortunately is rather lackluster but you can't just go by the nominal value here. Considering the average living expenses his fortune was beyond anything we have in the world today. It's all based on a long family history but wow did that guy get rich.You have to realise that he had more money than any country(!) at the time. Now Rothschild may be a huge monetary power today but it's all dwarfed if you qualify it. I'll spare you the political part of my post here^^ I just wanted to put this in perspective for fun. There are some really rich people in this world's history^^ The Medici's and Fugger's can indeed be seen as the spiritual preceedors to the Rothschilds. Fugger is an example of how much power and wealth the international-banker class can wield. | ||
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searcher
277 Posts
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Interloper
Sweden217 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:49 searcher wrote: Take all the wealth of all families and individuals claimed in this thread and multiply it by zero. You now have the amount of fact in this thread. Oh, but you forget that all this is fact pulled from the history books, i.e http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/39632 | ||
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