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Laforge
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark33 Posts
November 09 2011 23:38 GMT
#41
Can you link reference to some book or articles form you course in economic history?? It sounds really interesting, so I would like to check your statement and learn more.
Starcraft and Star Trek
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
November 09 2011 23:40 GMT
#42
On November 10 2011 08:35 sc2holar wrote:
But money still grows. There is no way 6billion dollars in 1850 can shrink to less than what bill gates has today. Especially not when you stuff it in your own bank where you control the interest rate.


yes, this is a problem, a lot of people have trouble with math and don't really understand how interest works.


Boy, I'd take $1000 dollars in a bank account in 1850 with interest up till today, let alone billions.
Happylime
Profile Joined August 2011
United States133 Posts
November 09 2011 23:45 GMT
#43
So basically what I'm hearing is that....

the top .001% is what we're really after? We are the 99.99%??!?!!? tin foil hat, Ron Paul 2012?
Get busy living, or get busy dying.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 23:49:34
November 09 2011 23:48 GMT
#44
On November 10 2011 08:36 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:14 Offhand wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:06 HellRoxYa wrote:
On November 10 2011 07:54 sc2holar wrote:
The Rothschilds made their vast fortune through a network of Federal Banks (they invented the word "federal bank") in all the big capitals of europe, and funded (issued loans with huge interest) both sides of many wars along with the industrialization and all railroads built in europe. Thanks to their splendid network of information, they always knew what was happening in europe, and they could always invest with huge profits. You might think that our federal, "national" banks are owned by the government, but they are not.


This is bullshit. It varies greatly from country to country.


Federal reserve systems are private on purpose. It is by design (preventing the office from becoming political, decreasing the scale of the political-business cycle, etc).


Just to prove my point, because shit like this pisses me off, here's Sveriges Riksbank (/Bank of Sweden/Swedish National Bank):
http://www.riksbank.com/templates/SectionStart.aspx?id=10601

Back to what I was saying... This varies greatly from country to country.

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On November 10 2011 08:35 sc2holar wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:31 trainRiderJ wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:14 sc2holar wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:08 Danglars wrote:
Think this is better off named, "Who were the richest people in the world?" Rothschilds dwarfed others of their era, it's true. But now, they are dwarfed by the vast majority of people who did not inherit their money.

Why am i brining this up? well, because i think its about time people realize how the system works. 99% of the worlds money is controlled by a small group of people (not just the rothschild family). This is all verified historical facts, none of this is crazy conspiracy talk. I learned most of this during my academic studies, so you can learn this at your local university if you take a course in economic history.


As free trade increased and technology progressed, less and less of the wealthiest people merely got their riches from daddy. Forbes top 400 list changes all the time. Being on it one year is no guarantee on being on it the next. You merely have spots of inherited money, and no real dominance of it.

But you say, THE MEASURING IS FLAWED! Secret old wealth really controls everything, from The Economist to The Fed! It's pretty encouraging speaking from the outside saying how this analysis is dead wrong, but putting forth just hints and whispers as to why your analysis is the true, right one. Let's see some prominent scholars reporting on the real concentration of wealth, let's see their sources of fact. You rip down Forbes's list, and put up nothing.


You can Actually find evidence for most of this in the Book series written by Oxford professor Nial Fergusson. He had acess to the familys private archives and everything written there is confirmed by the family itself.

http://www.amazon.com/House-Rothschild-Moneys-Prophets-1798-1848/dp/0140240845

If you are saying that the rothschilds are dwarfed by Todays buffet and Gates, you are implying that they somehow must have lost 98% of the money they had in 1850. When you have money stuffed away in swiss banks with good interest, that doesnt happen.

There's a lot more money in the world then there was in 1850. They don't have to "lose" money to have a smaller piece of the pie.


But money still grows. There is no way 6billion dollars in 1850 can shrink to less than what bill gates has today. Especially not when you stuff it in your own bank where you control the interest rate.


Not sure why you're so certain they've made good investments with their money. I agree that the money probably didn't go anywhere but I would never state that as a fact.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks#Countries_without_central_banks

The majority of the world's nations use the central bank system, including the US, EU, and China. Sweden is a member of the EU (and thus, participates in central banking). Please educate yourself before you post.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 09 2011 23:50 GMT
#45
More importantly are they any good at starcraft2?
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
November 09 2011 23:50 GMT
#46


Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 23:56:34
November 09 2011 23:54 GMT
#47
ok the first one posted Zeitgeist. Now this thread is over. I am sure the Rothschild family is still rich and I am sure they are having fun with the money and I am sure some of them are politically motivated but this thread is turning more and more to a garbage bin for conspiracy theories.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 23:56:33
November 09 2011 23:54 GMT
#48
On November 10 2011 08:50 playa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ


Don't. The system is fucked up enough without people injecting crazy into the discussion. These people are 9/11 truthers, correct?
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
November 09 2011 23:55 GMT
#49
On November 10 2011 08:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I understand that a small number of people are extremely wealthy... I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why I should care, or to provide some type of evidence that this group of people have done specific, sinister things.

But I guess in modernspeak, just being extremely wealthy is itself sinister and scary.


you should really watch that half hour cartoon video. some of it is done in parody, but the gist of why you should care and how it effects you is there.
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
November 09 2011 23:57 GMT
#50
Imagine the lives they must live, quite intriguing.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 23:57:58
November 09 2011 23:57 GMT
#51
On November 10 2011 08:54 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:50 playa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ


Don't. The system is fucked up enough without people injecting crazy into the discussion. These people are 9/11 truthers, correct?


Zeitgeist is like the mother of all the modern conspiracy theorists. They write about everything
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
November 09 2011 23:59 GMT
#52
On November 10 2011 08:20 Skilledblob wrote:
where is my tinfoil hat.

he says ironically
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 10 2011 00:00 GMT
#53
On November 10 2011 08:57 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:54 Offhand wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:50 playa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ


Don't. The system is fucked up enough without people injecting crazy into the discussion. These people are 9/11 truthers, correct?


Zeitgeist is like the mother of all the modern conspiracy theorists. They write about everything


I've seen the first one. They took a little bit of economic truth and turned it into a bad Philip K. Dick novel. But this was after they informed me Jesus was an Egyptian god and before they told me 9/11 was an inside job (you'd think these things are different enough that Zeitgiest would do them one at a time).
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
November 10 2011 00:03 GMT
#54
Applying a 6% interest rate to the net worth compounding for 150 years would make anyone of that era filthy rich in today's dollars...there is no reason or justification for attaching that 6% interest rate. It multiplies the value of that person's net worth by 6250 times...its just silly...
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
November 10 2011 00:05 GMT
#55
On November 10 2011 07:57 Fealthas wrote:
Very enlightening. I did not know about this. Seems a bit unfair doesn't it?


Unfair? And it would be "fair" to take some and give it to other people?
esports
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 00:10:23
November 10 2011 00:09 GMT
#56
Yeah, the US borrowing money from a private bank (having them print it) and paying interest on it, instead of printing the money themselves makes perfect sense. Def nothing more to this than meets the eye. At least it's no wonder how they are so powerful.
Nqsty
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 00:12:08
November 10 2011 00:10 GMT
#57
On November 10 2011 07:54 sc2holar wrote:

This sum was, in fact, more than half of the amount of money that existed in all of europe at that time, and if you translate it to todays money with an interest rate of 6% it translates to over 400 trillion USD.

400 trillion dollars.


I haven't heard anything so ridiculous in quite a while, someone actually claiming that a fortune could amount to that much seriously has no grasp of economic digits, or returns on investment, or inflation, or even the simple real world economy.
There's so much nonsense in that sentence I can't even start to explain why.

People need to stop masturbating over a long lost fantasy of a secretive power controlling the world.

And even if there was one, accept the fact that you don't know about it, no one knows about it, and I can bet you even within the family itself there's uncertainty.

Also, for the sake of the argument, 6 billion with a 6% interest rate over 161 years becomes 71 trillion, which becomes 1 775 trillion today by taking into account inflation, just to show how ridiculous the calculation is (assuming $1 in 1850 = 25$ today, an average estimate used often).

anyway, just use common sense, please


JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
November 10 2011 00:10 GMT
#58
400 trillon = 400 000 billion. its more than all the money in the world right -_-
RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
November 10 2011 00:12 GMT
#59
To all the people comparing the Rothschild families wealth to Bill Gates... Of COURSE the wealth of that entire extended family is worth more than a single man, just like Microsoft is worth more than Gates alone. Comparing the wealth of an entire family with 100s of members to that of a single person is stupid.
Nqsty
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 00:20:50
November 10 2011 00:14 GMT
#60
On November 10 2011 09:10 JohnMatrix wrote:
400 trillon = 400 000 billion. its more than all the money in the world right -_-


Correct, 7 times more than total GDP in the world.

Also, the OP seems to think that a fortune can grow faster than the total aggregate rate, even though they apparently half own the world itself.
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