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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
■Fixed an issue where flyers may not decelerate in some cases. ■Fixed an issue where flying unit separation wasn’t consistent. The only instance of flyer not decelerating that I can think of is banshees kiting marines. Do you think that's getting nerfed? Flying unit separation... no idea but it scares me. | ||
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MinimalistSC2
United States121 Posts
Hellions start to become really really popular, now pre igniter a 150/150 upgrade only gives +5 dmg vs light.....150 minerals and 150 gas for 5 damage..... Hellions will still 2 shot lings and with +1 mech weapons they will still 2 shot probes and drones, calm down. And Bio-mech is the new TvP haven't you seen Hyung vs Puzzle? | ||
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moregamethanSEGA
United States76 Posts
nuff said, ravens suck, please stop trying to argue otherwise, its a waste of forum space. seeker missle needs to cost less energy. only then will people start upgrading/using it. | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
Cast 2 storms on a group of 21 hold position zealots (In shockinlyg perfect formation for this situation) and you kill 21 zealots for 150 energy over 8 seconds. Cast 2 Seeker Missles on 21 hold position zealots (also, in startlingly tight and perfect formation) and you kill 5 (And leave 8 undamaged) for 250 energy (and in about 1 second unless you cast right over top the unit, which means friendly fire will nuke a Raven) Christ, dropping 4 banelings in the middle also kills all 21 zealots. HSM can work as an anti air missile (But air can run the easiest) or against clumps of very low HP units, but EMP is far better against protoss, and zergies are pretty mobile. I'm hoping the speed improves things, and if HSM had no drop off (Or had the range of banelings) it probably would be amazingly OP. I'm still putting it in the "Not worth it" category. Oh, and why havn't Colluses been given friendly fire like a siege tank? (Or Hellions, making BFH drops/defense a huge risk as you might be burning the hell out of your own units) SC1 fans want it to be Micro intensive, then so be it. Maybe even banelings? (Zerg cannot self harm aside from intentionally, unlike protoss/Terran). That may change the game in horrible, horrible ways! | ||
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:30 MinimalistSC2 wrote: Hellions will still 2 shot lings and with +1 mech weapons they will still 2 shot probes and drones, calm down. And Bio-mech is the new TvP haven't you seen Hyung vs Puzzle? Its only good on low econ and small army sizes . You have to kite with Bio against charge and AOE and if you integrate Siege well they can't kite and once Zealots with charge hit they'll even hurt more then help. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
Bojour MMM and marine tank! | ||
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Faricho
Colombia116 Posts
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moregamethanSEGA
United States76 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Cast 2 storms on a group of 21 hold position zealots (In shockinlyg perfect formation for this situation) and you kill 21 zealots for 150 energy over 8 seconds. Cast 2 Seeker Missles on 21 hold position zealots (also, in startlingly tight and perfect formation) and you kill 5 (And leave 8 undamaged) for 250 energy (and in about 1 second unless you cast right over top the unit, which means friendly fire will nuke a Raven) How did you work this out 0o? I can't find the damage calculations for Seeker as the unit is further away from the centre of the explosion. And by 8 Zealots being undamaged, you mean they only took shield damage correct? But now lets make a comparison, 2 Storms on a group of Zealots running away and you won't scratch them, 2 Seekers on a group of Zealots running away and you still have the same result. 8 seconds is a really LONG time | ||
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Lenet
United States38 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Why nerf blue flame hellions to being useless? They were just starting to get properly explored, never were they imbalanced.. The barracks nerf is just a super ugly way to nerf terrans in general. Why is that neccesary really... Completely stupid change. It hardly changes stuff like the 1-1-1 but affects other stuff. How were raxes a problem!?! Raven change is a shot in the right direction but won't do enough, just do something like adding 1 range. It shouldn't be a good spell per se but it having some uses would be fun. Immortal range buff is a good one, just a small nudge to making them slightly more useful. Nerfing blink research time and buffing warp prism at the same time seems a bit much though, just offsets PvP and other stuff too much imo, seems that PvP is back to purely robo strats with these changes, especially if teching straight to robo becomes even easier to hold Infestor change once again is so rediculous. I think that the unit changed every time there was a patch. I guess a small nudge back could be good though to open up ZvZ a bit more and rebalance ZvP again. Overseer change is pretty interesting as a fast overseer for scouting could become quite an interesting thing to do now. Ultralisk build time change was also good, the unit was actually alright and build time was the principal problem with it. I'm quite certain they will revert the hellion change at least though which is the worst mistake they made. Changing the rax build time and making another fix to terran al-in is also imperative imo, otherwise it might just be free to expand against T then. | ||
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Blek
Brazil38 Posts
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
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DEF.Sins
Ireland22 Posts
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Scriptix
United States145 Posts
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
On August 26 2011 07:35 Dommk wrote: How did you work this out 0o? I can't find the damage calculations for Seeker as the unit is further away from the centre of the explosion. And by 8 Zealots being undamaged, you mean they only took shield damage correct? But now lets make a comparison, 2 Storms on a group of Zealots running away and you won't scratch them, 2 Seekers on a group of Zealots running away and you still have the same result. 8 seconds is a really LONG time That came from a day when I 2xHSM'ed an attacking Zealot army that was mobile and did around 400 damage, then decided to go to Yee olde Unite Testere (With Extra E's!) And test just how much damage HSM did. It wasn't pretty. Actually, going off memory, I think I couldn't hit 2 zealots with the storms, so only 19 died. My apologies on that. I actually mean that it didn't do any damage at all. Baneling explosion without fall off has a larger damage range than HSM even at it's 25 damage range. Also, you're wrong. 2 Storms on a group of zealots running away and you'll do maybe 40 shield damage to all of them (Kinda similar to what 2 Emps would do). 2 HSM's on a group of zealots running away and you'll do 0 damage because HSM needs to be cast only when someone isn't paying attention or is moving towards you (And because of friendly fire, is very dangerous to cast a HSM on a 150 hp zealot charging towards 6 55 hp marines. It's pretty awkward to need to kite your own spell) | ||
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
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ImbaTerran
United States9 Posts
Hellions aren't OP without it, but getting it is more an investment in time than anything else. If you're just using hellions for harass, then they don't really need it, but now hellions are really only viable as a harass unit. I'll miss my incredible imbalance... Edit: Other than that I like everyting but the blink nerf. I don't play Protoss though so... | ||
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