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Typical example of human greed. And those American scumbag hunters, I hope they get hunted down.
GTFO of my nation.
Seriously, There's nothing wrong with hunting. Bears and Cougars hunt humans. It's a dog eat dog world out there.
Hunting is not the reason that the dinosaurs went extinct, and humans are the only things that can possibly prevent certain animals from becoming extinct. Now hunting endangered animals is wrong in international law, and it's understandable.
But hunting common animals for sport has been around longer than you. Just because most of them aren't forum lurkers like you doesn't mean you have to diss their lifestyle.
In other words, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, CHUMP.
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Seems like the OP is just trying to pick a fight.
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On August 13 2011 12:20 sCfO20 wrote:Show nested quote +Typical example of human greed. And those American scumbag hunters, I hope they get hunted down. GTFO of my nation. Seriously, There's nothing wrong with hunting. Bears and Cougars hunt humans. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Hunting is not the reason that the dinosaurs went extinct, and humans are the only things that can possibly prevent certain animals from becoming extinct. Now hunting endangered animals is wrong in international law, and it's understandable. But hunting common animals for sport has been around longer than you. Just because most of them aren't forum lurkers like you doesn't mean you have to diss their lifestyle. In other words, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, CHUMP.
You don't seriously believe that do you?
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Can this OP please get banned? This animal isn't even endangered.. (or even close). He's just spreading anti-foreigner crap.
Stop trying to tell everyone how bad hunting/foreigners are. Reporting the news is one thing but you're trying to ram your views down our throats.
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OP is just a anti Chinese jesuit that want to start a flame war. (e.g. Bear Thread) no need to listen to his bullshit.
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You don't seriously believe that do you?
Believe what? that we can help endangered animals? I believe it, of course I do. Forced breeding, and a nice place to stay can do a lot for animals on the ropes.
If you mean hunting, yes. I think hunting is perfectly fine. Why wouldn't it be? That's all Lions do in their free time. Of course, it's for a different purpose, but why don't you go cry when you see some shit on the NGC?
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On August 13 2011 12:28 sCfO20 wrote:Believe what? that we can help endangered animals? I believe it, of course I do. Forced breeding, and a nice place to stay can do a lot for animals on the ropes. If you mean hunting, yes. I think hunting is perfectly fine. Why wouldn't it be? That's all Lions do in their free time. Of course, it's for a different purpose, but why don't you go cry when you see some shit on the NGC?
He probably meant go out in packs and look for humans to kill. It's the other way around. And while I myself am a hunter, I am definitely opposed to hunting endangered species, as I am 100% behind conservation of all wildlife. However, judging from some of the replies of this thread it doesn't look like they are endangered...
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On August 13 2011 12:28 sCfO20 wrote:Believe what? that we can help endangered animals? I believe it, of course I do. Forced breeding, and a nice place to stay can do a lot for animals on the ropes. If you mean hunting, yes. I think hunting is perfectly fine. Why wouldn't it be? That's all Lions do in their free time. Of course, it's for a different purpose, but why don't you go cry when you see some shit on the NGC?
I mean bears and cougars hunting humans.
I'm fairly indifferent on the sport of hunting.
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This isn't news. People get hunting licences all over the world, these animals are no less endangered. Useless OP with no grounds for discussion.
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Seems like a sensationalist article and even worse OP.
These animals are not in dire need of help; they are not on the brink of extinction; we will not be deprived of their miraculous cancer curing DNA strands. Anyone bothered enough to do 5 minutes of research will find out that they are in fact they are "Least Concern" and "Near Threatened" respectively. Did you know that human beings and house mice are also on the "Least Concern" list? I think that puts things into perspective on how the situation really is with the blue sheep.
They are not endangered, they are not threatened, they are not going to get wiped out by the occasional "scumbag hunter". They face much more danger from natural predators. Yet we're seeing words like "endangered species", " protected", and "almost extinct". This is all completely false. Another poster mentioned the situation is more akin to whitetail deer in America and that wouldn't be an unfair assumption.
There are very few hunters who will drop eight grand to get the chance to hunt one animal, and in the case that they do it will have no effect on the animal's population. If you are against hunting that is fine, and you are free to have that opinion. However, don't go around making sensationalist topics like this to hatemonger for your cause.
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I mean bears and cougars hunting humans.
Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them.
I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently.
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Bharals are "Least Concern".
Tibetian Gazelles are "Near Threatened".
http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/18536/0
http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/18231/0
They aren't endangered like the article suggests, they're just on the red list...as not that concerning at all.
As long as they are regulating the hunting in some way there shouldn't be too much problem with their populations. They just have to keep good tabs...and charging money for each one hunted is a pretty damn good way of keeping tabs (and making money!).
So good on them for this one, IMO.
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On August 13 2011 12:35 sCfO20 wrote:Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them. I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently.
A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans.
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Chinese and their stupid policies. Why am I not surprised...
Putting a ban on foreigners but allow locals to hunt instead ? What's the fuckin difference... These endangered animals will die just the same.
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On August 13 2011 12:26 Blasterion wrote:
OP is just a anti Chinese jesuit that want to start a flame war. (e.g. Bear Thread) no need to listen to his bullshit.
Sounds like you are butthurt. How am I an anti china? Maybe if you can't handle the truth, maybe this thread isn't fit for your kind.
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A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans.
? Your second example makes some sense, but it doesn't apply. Of course if I shot it it wouldn't be considered hunting. Just like if I saw a robber in my house and killed the fucker doesn't make me a murderer.
The guy died to a bear, there's nothing more that could be said about it. He wasn't wrong, and the bears weren't wrong. It's a freak accident.
But how do you explain people jogging and gettin killed by a cougar? That's not a case of an animal hunting a human? No, not to you PETA freaks I suppose.
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On August 13 2011 12:50 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:26 Blasterion wrote:
OP is just a anti Chinese jesuit that want to start a flame war. (e.g. Bear Thread) no need to listen to his bullshit. Sounds like you are butthurt. How am I an anti china? Maybe if you can't handle the truth, maybe this thread isn't fit for your kind.
Maybe if you could make this thread title/OP a little less sensationalist and not address these species as endangered when they are simply not close to that. The truth isn't what your thread title or OP suggest it is at all.
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On August 13 2011 12:40 Kezzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:35 sCfO20 wrote:I mean bears and cougars hunting humans. Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them. I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently. A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans. By that logic animals can never hunt because the other animal is always in its enviroment, aka, its house. Bears hunt and kill, rarely but they do, and sometimes their target is humans. Thats a fact. Cougars are far more common, they pick off children every now and again.
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On August 13 2011 11:34 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:32 AustinCM wrote:
Do you have to say American scum bag hunters? This isn't something the average American would want to do for sure. They were Americans. What did you want me to say? Those "yankee" scumbag hunters?
You could say "Scumbag hunters" and "scumbag government", instead of slapping a broad label on it like "Americans".
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On August 13 2011 13:02 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:40 Kezzer wrote:On August 13 2011 12:35 sCfO20 wrote:I mean bears and cougars hunting humans. Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them. I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently. A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans. By that logic animals can never hunt because the other animal is always in its enviroment, aka, its house. Bears hunt and kill, rarely but they do, and sometimes their target is humans. Thats a fact. Cougars are far more common, they pick off children every now and again.
Of course animals can hunt. It's just that bears and cougars don't hunt. Seeing a guy wandering through your territory and then attacking him isn't hunting. Hunting means actively searching out prey for the purpose of killing or catching it. Wolves are a good example of a hunting animal.
Semantics, yes, but using bears/cougars/whatever as justification for hunting is questionable reasoning at best.
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