EPTForeigners Hunt Endangered Chinese Animals - Page 2
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HikariPrime
United States122 Posts
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
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Rembot
United States137 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:47 TerlocSG wrote: So by saying "... yet." your admitting your judgement on the nationality of the hunters has nothing to do with the story and you blew a whistle at their being Americans too early. As soon as ANY other hunters of another nationality participate in this hunting your comment is completely bigoted. That's what people are getting at. You didn't have to stress the fact that they were American, you chose to. You could have said "scum bag hunters" and made the same point. Said it better than I could. All I can say is, if you don't like 'murrica, you can giiiiit out! | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Yep, no surprise. The same OP. I hope you aren't going to start regularly spamming General with animal cruelty stories. How am I supposed to respond to this except "awww, that's too bad." Unlike many people, apparently, I don't enjoy reveling in righteous indignation. | ||
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Frumpysnoo
United States247 Posts
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:09 lizzard_warish wrote: Why do we have a moral duty to preserve species? well idk maybe their DNA has the cure to cancer, you never know. Since DNA strains don't really repeat itself after extinction it's rather important. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:10 Blasterion wrote: Right, well, thats retarded. I can think of all numbers of things that we "should" do because of all numbers of unknown variables. Thats clearly not rational. well idk maybe their DNA has the cure to cancer, you never know. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:10 lizzard_warish wrote: Right, well, thats retarded. I can think of all numbers of things that we "should" do because of all numbers of unknown variables. Thats clearly not rational. Well logically it's because DNA variables do not repeat itself after a species extincts and X specie may cure Y disease in the future, useful to keep 1 or 2 around just for medicinal reasons | ||
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ppdealer
Canada163 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:58 Rembot wrote: Said it better than I could. All I can say is, if you don't like 'murrica, you can giiiiit out! Eh? You Americans should feel ashamed that some of your fellows are out there hunting endangered species protected by International treaties. I'm of Chinese origin as well and you don't see me jump up in hoops to defend the things my government do that are just plain wrong. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:12 Blasterion wrote: Can we not simply preserve the DNA as we preserve seeds [in norway I think]? Not to mention 1 or 2 isnt genetically viable, to keep a species sustainable... well it obviously differs on the species, but its usually north of 1000.Well logically it's because DNA variables do not repeat itself after a species extincts and X specie may cure Y disease in the future, useful to keep 1 or 2 around just for medicinal reasons On August 13 2011 12:15 Rembot wrote: We don't really have a moral duty to preserve species, unless your own morals make you feel duty-bound to do so. What we do have is a biological duty to preserve species, since it's been proven that biological diversity is the key to survival. If we only had a few species then it wouldn't take very much to wipe us out. Yeah, so in other words, our only impetuous is to make sure we dont wipe out about ten thousand species for no reason, especially ones crucial to important eco systems. It leaves literally no room for bleeding hearts, or relevance, for the odd extinction from pollution, hunting, human expansion etc. It's only an issue on the macro scale. Not to mention the posts here [which werent critical of the op] did not follow the nature of fear for low genetic diversity, they followed the nature of moral disgust, which is ridiculous until some quasi valid ontological basis for a moral system which makes one duty bound to preserving animals for their own sake arises. | ||
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Rembot
United States137 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:09 lizzard_warish wrote: Why do we have a moral duty to preserve species? We don't really have a moral duty to preserve species, unless your own morals make you feel duty-bound to do so. What we do have is a biological duty to preserve species, since it's been proven that biological diversity is the key to survival. If we only had a few species then it wouldn't take very much to wipe us out. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:15 lizzard_warish wrote: Can we not simply preserve the DNA as we preserve seeds [in norway I think]? Not to mention 1 or 2 isnt genetically viable, to keep a species sustainable... well it obviously differs on the species, but its usually north of 1000. Well I didn't express it well , but you get the idea, Rembot explain it better On August 13 2011 12:15 Rembot wrote: We don't really have a moral duty to preserve species, unless your own morals make you feel duty-bound to do so. What we do have is a biological duty to preserve species, since it's been proven that biological diversity is the key to survival. If we only had a few species then it wouldn't take very much to wipe us out. | ||
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Rembot
United States137 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:13 ppdealer wrote: Eh? You Americans should feel ashamed that some of your fellows are out there hunting endangered species protected by International treaties. I'm of Chinese origin as well and you don't see me jump up in hoops to defend the things my government do that are just plain wrong. I am ashamed of them, but you don't see me going out of my way to identify them as "American". They're just stupid, rich hunters with no respect. The fact that they're from America is not very relevant to the discussion. If it was shown that there were hundreds of American hunters taking advantage of these offers from the Chinese government, then the argument would have some merit. As it stands, it's a few isolated nutjobs with an obsession for killing endangered animals. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
The bear thread was legitimate, this is not. | ||
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
At least, monetarily speaking, China values those animals more then Canada does. | ||
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