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On August 13 2011 12:50 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:26 Blasterion wrote:
OP is just a anti Chinese jesuit that want to start a flame war. (e.g. Bear Thread) no need to listen to his bullshit. Sounds like you are butthurt. How am I an anti china? Maybe if you can't handle the truth, maybe this thread isn't fit for your kind.
"Your kind"...seriously? You really dont like the Chinese huh?
But really though, he has a point. As many have mentioned already (and I will do so again because people seem to love ignoring evidence and reason), the article is very misleading because the animals mentioned are not even near the level of Endangered Species. Here take a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharal#Conservation_Status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Gazelle
They are "Least Concern" and "Near Threatened", which are the 2 degrees farthest away from Endangered.
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On August 13 2011 13:36 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 13:02 lizzard_warish wrote:On August 13 2011 12:40 Kezzer wrote:On August 13 2011 12:35 sCfO20 wrote:I mean bears and cougars hunting humans. Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them. I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently. A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans. By that logic animals can never hunt because the other animal is always in its enviroment, aka, its house. Bears hunt and kill, rarely but they do, and sometimes their target is humans. Thats a fact. Cougars are far more common, they pick off children every now and again. Of course animals can hunt. It's just that bears and cougars don't hunt. Seeing a guy wandering through your territory and then attacking him isn't hunting. Hunting means actively searching out prey for the purpose of killing or catching it. Wolves are a good example of a hunting animal. Semantics, yes, but using bears/cougars/whatever as justification for hunting is questionable reasoning at best. Yeaahhhh...both bears and cougars are known to actively look for things to eat when they're hungry enough. Hence why we said they hunt.
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People > Animals. Will keeping these animals alive really have a greater benefit to people than the money they bring in?
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Ethically, I don't see how killing a protected animal for sport is any different from doing it to any other animal. And they are not endangered. Endangered is the most severe status, they are less severely threatened than that.
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On August 13 2011 14:06 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 13:36 Swede wrote:On August 13 2011 13:02 lizzard_warish wrote:On August 13 2011 12:40 Kezzer wrote:On August 13 2011 12:35 sCfO20 wrote:I mean bears and cougars hunting humans. Oh, yeah I do believe it. Well, not in the sense we humans do, but there's plenty of instances where animals have killed humans. Timothy Treadwell is a good case. Nothing but passion for the bears, and ends up gettin eaten by them. I'm not saying that that justifies it... but it makes you see it differently. A human hanging out in bear infested Alaskan forests =/= bears hunting. If a deer broke into your house because it saw some food, and you shot it would you consider that hunting? Would you call yourself a hunter? Of course not. So don't call the bears hunters just because they have killed humans. By that logic animals can never hunt because the other animal is always in its enviroment, aka, its house. Bears hunt and kill, rarely but they do, and sometimes their target is humans. Thats a fact. Cougars are far more common, they pick off children every now and again. Of course animals can hunt. It's just that bears and cougars don't hunt. Seeing a guy wandering through your territory and then attacking him isn't hunting. Hunting means actively searching out prey for the purpose of killing or catching it. Wolves are a good example of a hunting animal. Semantics, yes, but using bears/cougars/whatever as justification for hunting is questionable reasoning at best. Yeaahhhh...both bears and cougars are known to actively look for things to eat when they're hungry enough. Hence why we said they hunt.
Ok, but they don't hunt humans, which seemed to be the crux of the original argument. There is also a clear distinction between hunting for food and hunting for sport. Intention matters.
I'm not against people hunting for sport, but the arguments in this thread for why people should be able to do it are pretty bad. It's not even a hard sell:
- Some animals are extremely common and hunting a few doesn't do ecological/aesthetic harm.
- Hunting them can be fun.
- Why not hunt?
Obviously there's "killing animals is wrong", but that's a whole different can of worms.
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Looks like the OP has an anti-China agenda to push and is not above using misleading information in his posts to drive at it.
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Probably some bribery involved, i doubt the CCP wants such negative publicity, probably the work of a corrupt chinese official not really "chinese authorities"
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On August 13 2011 11:33 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I say let the foreigners do as they please, $3million in tax revenues + is well worth the lives of measly animals. Protected animals my ass, nothings going to protect them from the double barrel shotgun between the eyes.
Where is the humanity?
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On August 13 2011 12:13 ppdealer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:58 Rembot wrote:On August 13 2011 11:47 TerlocSG wrote:On August 13 2011 11:38 kaisen wrote:On August 13 2011 11:37 .Aar wrote:On August 13 2011 11:34 kaisen wrote:On August 13 2011 11:32 AustinCM wrote:
Do you have to say American scum bag hunters? This isn't something the average American would want to do for sure. They were Americans. What did you want me to say? Those "yankee" scumbag hunters? The fact that they were American has basically no relevance. You build a bike, people will ride it. Funny. I don't see any other people with different nationality paying money to hunt those endangered animals... yet. So by saying "... yet." your admitting your judgement on the nationality of the hunters has nothing to do with the story and you blew a whistle at their being Americans too early. As soon as ANY other hunters of another nationality participate in this hunting your comment is completely bigoted. That's what people are getting at. You didn't have to stress the fact that they were American, you chose to. You could have said "scum bag hunters" and made the same point. Said it better than I could. All I can say is, if you don't like 'murrica, you can giiiiit out! Eh? You Americans should feel ashamed that some of your fellows are out there hunting endangered species protected by International treaties. I'm of Chinese origin as well and you don't see me jump up in hoops to defend the things my government do that are just plain wrong.
I should feel ashamed that idiots that live semi- not really near me are hunting endangered animals? Uhhh. OK.
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On August 13 2011 14:45 noobcakes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:33 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
I say let the foreigners do as they please, $3million in tax revenues + is well worth the lives of measly animals. Protected animals my ass, nothings going to protect them from the double barrel shotgun between the eyes. Where is the humanity?
Where is your reasoning against his point?
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