EPTThis works good for me as a protoss player. For a zerg player you have a queen in every base but I don't think that's a big problem.
Maybe not the best method but it's quick, easy and it let's you know if you have too many or few workers.
Ingame - Worker count - Page 5
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CjX
Sweden15 Posts
This works good for me as a protoss player. For a zerg player you have a queen in every base but I don't think that's a big problem. Maybe not the best method but it's quick, easy and it let's you know if you have too many or few workers. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
Let's keep it as it is | ||
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:30 meRz wrote: ... You're not reading what I'm saying. My argument has never been "omg automining is bad we should be required to send our workers to mine!" Why do you keep bringing that one up? We already have tools that reduce the repetitive clicking. Things like keeping your worker count, knowing timings and what not is not repetitive, it's something you develop by having good game sense and overall great experience of the game, things you need great amount of practice to learn. And also, I get what you're trying to do. It's funny how you argue that repetitive things means that "all the stupid people" can excell over "smart" people. If a smart guy "doesn't want to waste 10hrs a dayt practicing" then he has no business in competitive play. An e-sport game should require immense dedication if you want to excell, it shouldn't be a game where you are either good or bad by default, it should be a game that rewards work and effort. Then why are you replying to my posts? The only thing I have commented on here is the assertion that automining somehow detracts from the game. It doesn't. I think what it comes down to is whether you want to fight against your opponent or fight against the interface. I prefer the game to be human vs human, not human vs interface with the person who has mastered the interface better being the winner. | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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Thune
Austria129 Posts
I actually dont care if i got 70 or 73 workers because it wont make that big of a difference. This is why i go with the rather "imprecise" but much faster way of counting base-saturations | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 13 2011 22:14 Wrongspeedy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2011 22:00 Sbrubbles wrote: The game designers choose what kind of in-game clicking has purpose and what doesn't. Some people prefer the in-game clicking related to strategical choices (whether to build a unit or not, whether to expand or not, what kind of tech to go for, etc etc etc) and related to tactical choices (micro and army positioning) to be more important than clicking that could be avoided by an extra interface or some game mechanics adjustment (bigger control groups, automining, etc). The people he refers to as repeating "we want more clicking mantra" are those who don't agree with this. Well, it takes 2 seconds to do what the OP wanted in game. Why are you even posting in this thread for now? We answered the question and its already possible to have the game tell you how many without having to be able to count more than your own fingers and toes without socks or shoes on. So please move along. Guy below me is clicking waaaaaaaay to much. Why am I posting in this thread? Hmm, because its a forum? Because any and all interface/mechanics suggestions invitably turn into a flame war (that began before I posted), in which I want to participate? Most discussions on most forums are both silly and stupid (even if you are, in my case, on the right side of it ), but that doesn't stop them from cropping up and ppl from answering.Now that I think about it, a metaforum discussion topic would be fun! | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Ch3rry
Poland220 Posts
Well, as for myself, I think all the observer info should be avaible in-game (of course not showing opponent stats). UI Improvement is Improvement. | ||
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Sultan
United States52 Posts
Now whenever I'm in an actual game, I just quickly select all of my workers, and see if they have reached that mark. If they have, base saturated, if not, pump more dronies! Eventually, you are going to get to a point where you'll just know...no need to make a worker counter. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
It's this kind of thinking that dumbs down games with the 'increase fan/developer interaction': "oh herp-derp i'm bad at this, let's just qq till they make it easier". You end up with a bland game that anyone can get into, but leaves within 2 days cause it's too easy. If I want to play a mind-numbing game, i'll go play Facebook games. I mean, if a person is intelligent, he'll work out quite fast the best way to count workers quite easily, it's not he has to do a series of complex actions or anything. I used to not know how to get a good grasp on worker numbers, and overmake them too. I kicked myself when I realised how to do it. Part of the fun of the game is finding new/quicker ways of doing the common tasks. Why shouldn't a person who dedicates time to the game not beat someone who doesn't and is supposedly 'intelligent'? I can counter by just saying, maybe they're not that intelligent to not see how to count workers just by selecting them. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:46 EnSky wrote: Having worker count is useful indeed but quite unnecessary. Next thing you know, someone's gonna be asking for the production tab to be displayed as well.lol On July 13 2011 23:50 Ch3rry wrote: Well, as for myself, I think all the observer info should be avaible in-game (of course not showing opponent stats). UI Improvement is Improvement. Wow...That's just...Might as well have a robot play for you and auto-mate everything... | ||
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Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
Hey you know what we should do to make the game require even more skill? REMOVE THE SUPPLY COUNTER, that way only people that can count and click at inhuman speed are ever going to be able to be good at it, and the rest of us will be reduced to watching in awe. Tbh, I don't understand why people seem to think that limiting the information given to the player makes for better gameplay. | ||
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:52 me_viet wrote: Well, in that same sense let's all have tanks auto-shoot baneling clumps and marines auto-spread when banelings roll-in like the atuo-maton200k. Let's justs have the game work out the best course of micro-action for us so we, as the commanding general, justs concentrate on the strategy side. It's this kind of thinking that dumbs down games with the 'increase fan/developer interaction': "oh herp-derp i'm bad at this, let's just qq till they make it easier". You end up with a bland game that anyone can get into, but leaves within 2 days cause it's too easy. If I want to play a mind-numbing game, i'll go play Facebook games. I mean, if a person is intelligent, he'll work out quite fast the best way to count workers quite easily, it's not he has to do a series of complex actions or anything. I used to not know how to get a good grasp on worker numbers, and overmake them too. I kicked myself when I realised how to do it. Part of the fun of the game is finding new/quicker ways of doing the common tasks. Why shouldn't a person who dedicates time to the game not beat someone who doesn't and is supposedly 'intelligent'? I can counter by just saying, maybe they're not that intelligent to not see how to count workers just by selecting them. The things you mentioned involve reacting to your opponent. Things like automining and counting your workers are just interface impediments. | ||
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:56 Sueco wrote: Hey you know what we should do to make the game require even more skill? REMOVE THE SUPPLY COUNTER, that way only people that can count and click at inhuman speed are ever going to be able to be good at it, and the rest of us will be reduced to watching in awe. Tbh, I don't understand why people seem to think that limiting the information given to the player makes for better gameplay. It's probably because they are afraid that on equal footing with their opponent they will lose, so they want interface impediments that require practice to overcome. This rewards them simply for practicing, rather than being intelligent or creative. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On July 13 2011 23:56 Sueco wrote: Hey you know what we should do to make the game require even more skill? REMOVE THE SUPPLY COUNTER, that way only people that can count and click at inhuman speed are ever going to be able to be good at it, and the rest of us will be reduced to watching in awe. Tbh, I don't understand why people seem to think that limiting the information given to the player makes for better gameplay. Because half the game is based on infered -information? While you're at it, then why not just show how many units the opponent has and how many production structures he has going for him, and what he's building too? I actually wouldn't mind removing supply count lol, most player has it so worked into their build at the start already, and then late game just build supplies auto every few seconds. I mean when you have 4 fact running and 2 starport on 3 base, you're not going to be thinking when you need supply, you just KNOW you need it. Same with making units as zerg, i'm sure every top pros have been making overlords with everyone of their inject rounds. I think EGMachine said he knows by heart every overlord counts up to 100 supply in bw, and is trying to do that for sc2 too. | ||
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
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