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mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
July 05 2011 19:38 GMT
#181
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 19:49:21
July 05 2011 19:40 GMT
#182
On July 06 2011 04:33 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:32 AzurewinD wrote:
THIS JUST IN:

Not calling the authorities for 31 days after your child goes missing isn't child abuse.

Cool jury bro.


Yeah I know we shouldn't be criticizing the jury, its how our justice system works. However, I just can't get past that logic.


You can't neglect something that's dead. That's why the charge was dropped.



Charge wasn't dropped. Jury deliberated on it and she was declared not guilty of aggravated child abuse along with the other charges today.
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 19:41:23
July 05 2011 19:40 GMT
#183
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?

nope, she is free to do a "I did it" book ala OJ simpson talking about how he murdered 2 people and make good money off this.

I wonder who will play her in the movie.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
July 05 2011 19:40 GMT
#184
On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:
That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder.

You can't be found guilty in civil court, bro
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 05 2011 19:40 GMT
#185
On July 06 2011 03:26 Modeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 03:25 sanya wrote:
FINALLY

white people can stop complaining about O.J
good job america

WAY DIFF oj killed his cheating skank of a wife. This woman Held a 3yo's head underwater, or Sufficated her till she drowned then dumped the body.


I'm glad you have your facts straight...

I really think someone will kill her on the street.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 05 2011 19:41 GMT
#186
On July 06 2011 04:40 AzurewinD wrote:
Charge wasn't dropped. She was declared not guilty of aggravated child neglect along with the other charges today.


"The neglect charges were premised on the theory that Caylee was still alive. As the investigation progressed and it became clear that the evidence proved that the child was deceased, the State sought an indictment on the legally appropriate charges."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-10-22/news/casey22_1_caylee-marie-anthony-neglect
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 05 2011 19:41 GMT
#187
On July 06 2011 04:40 AzurewinD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:33 acker wrote:
On July 06 2011 04:32 AzurewinD wrote:
THIS JUST IN:

Not calling the authorities for 31 days after your child goes missing isn't child neglect.

Cool jury bro.


Yeah I know we shouldn't be criticizing the jury, its how our justice system works. However, I just can't get past that logic.


You can't neglect something that's dead. That's why the charge was dropped.



Charge wasn't dropped. Jury deliberated on it and she was declared not guilty of aggravated child neglect along with the other charges today.



Do you know the legal criteria for aggravated child neglect and what the evidence to prove each one is?
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 05 2011 19:42 GMT
#188
On July 06 2011 04:31 3clipse wrote:
I think my friend said it well in his facebook post:

Show nested quote +
I am not gonna say what I think about Casey Anthony and whether she is guilty or not. I will say, it disgusts me that someone can go through every element of the justice system with the fiercest opposition, be found not guilty, and still be crucified by people who have no idea what the truth is. A trial is meant to be what determines guilt and innocence. If you just decide that someone must have gotten it wrong and so it's your right, power and privilege to act as though they are exactly what they were not found to be, you demean justice. Even if you are right. Even if they did it. The idea of a trial is to avoid you and people like you seeking villification and vindication for their own ends. Just so you know.

So a non guilty verdict automatically invalidates everyone's opinion on the matter? Are courts infallible arbiters of truth? She was not found guilty legally, but people can hold whatever opinion they like.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 05 2011 19:42 GMT
#189
She's just not guilty to 1st Degree Murder...she can be guilty to the like 20 other charges against her.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
July 05 2011 19:43 GMT
#190
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?


Double jeopardy, the state can't prosecute someone twice for the same crime. If she was found guilty then it's within the realm of possibility that she could get a new trial if there was an appealable issue but obviously that's not the case.

I didn't follow the case extensively but from what I understand there was reasonable doubt, if we imprisoned everyone that probably did it innocent people would inevitably get convicted and that's not a world that I think the majority of us want to live in.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
July 05 2011 19:43 GMT
#191
On July 06 2011 04:40 MozzarellaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:
That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder.

You can't be found guilty in civil court, bro

It is obvious what he means though. He was did not win his case in civil court, and was charged with a monetary penalty, but in criminal court he is still not guilty. Pretty obvious both in this situation are guilty.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
July 05 2011 19:43 GMT
#192
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?


The fifth amendment prevents double jeopardy, so she cannot be charged with the first degree murder of her daughter again. I don't know how it works for slightly different charges, but I don't think the prosecution would be able to convict, unless some new evidence came into play.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 05 2011 19:44 GMT
#193
On July 06 2011 04:36 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:33 Eknoid4 wrote:
On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:
On July 06 2011 04:31 3clipse wrote:
I think my friend said it well in his facebook post:

I am not gonna say what I think about Casey Anthony and whether she is guilty or not. I will say, it disgusts me that someone can go through every element of the justice system with the fiercest opposition, be found not guilty, and still be crucified by people who have no idea what the truth is. A trial is meant to be what determines guilt and innocence. If you just decide that someone must have gotten it wrong and so it's your right, power and privilege to act as though they are exactly what they were not found to be, you demean justice. Even if you are right. Even if they did it. The idea of a trial is to avoid you and people like you seeking villification and vindication for their own ends. Just so you know.


That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder.

Public vilification does not a villain make.


Actually I would call her a villain or a psychopath. She was partying the entire time. Yes though you are right, I should not use my common sense on this case and instead defer to a legal system for determining my judgment. Again it just means the jurors, 12 people, decided it was not without a reasonable doubt, not that she did not do it.

She obviously did kill her child IMO. The justice system is wrong a lot of the time. they could not get a "smoking" gun, but it was pretty clear to most people.

Right, what you know from the media obviously trumps the mountains of evidence and testimony presented to the jurors.

I'm not saying it's probable that she didn't do it. With my limited knowledge, I think it's probable that she did. But I recognize that: 1. I really don't know enough to make a truly well-informed decision, and 2. I think society should refrain from demonizing or incarcerating suspects who "probably" committed a crime. Letting the guilty go free sucks, but it's preferable to wrongful convictions.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
July 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#194
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?


she cannot be retried for the murder of cayley again (double jeopardy)

On July 06 2011 04:36 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:33 Eknoid4 wrote:
On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:
On July 06 2011 04:31 3clipse wrote:
I think my friend said it well in his facebook post:

I am not gonna say what I think about Casey Anthony and whether she is guilty or not. I will say, it disgusts me that someone can go through every element of the justice system with the fiercest opposition, be found not guilty, and still be crucified by people who have no idea what the truth is. A trial is meant to be what determines guilt and innocence. If you just decide that someone must have gotten it wrong and so it's your right, power and privilege to act as though they are exactly what they were not found to be, you demean justice. Even if you are right. Even if they did it. The idea of a trial is to avoid you and people like you seeking villification and vindication for their own ends. Just so you know.


That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder.

Public vilification does not a villain make.


Actually I would call her a villain or a psychopath. She was partying the entire time. Yes though you are right, I should not use my common sense on this case and instead defer to a legal system for determining my judgment. Again it just means the jurors, 12 people, decided it was not without a reasonable doubt, not that she did not do it.

She obviously did kill her child IMO. The justice system is wrong a lot of the time. they could not get a "smoking" gun, but it was pretty clear to most people.


Yeh let's send her to gaol/give her the death penalty even though there is a small yet existent possibility she is innocent >.<
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
July 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#195
Looks like justice took a day off... Unfortunate, but it just proves that with the right legal representation you can literally get away with murder.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#196
Remember to get a Not guilty verdict ALL 12 of the members of the jury must agree that she is not guilty....that alone is why I believe she isn't guilty.

Of course she may have done it, and lied about it, but there is no proof...and the defense played upon that by introducing new evidence about child abuse, sexual abuse, chronic lying, misparenting, etc...all sorts of stuff.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
July 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#197
On July 06 2011 04:40 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 03:26 Modeath wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:25 sanya wrote:
FINALLY

white people can stop complaining about O.J
good job america

WAY DIFF oj killed his cheating skank of a wife. This woman Held a 3yo's head underwater, or Sufficated her till she drowned then dumped the body.


I'm glad you have your facts straight...

I really think someone will kill her on the street.

I hope she is killed, but think about it realistically, if she gets killed it will be by someone in prison who has nothing to lose. I think it is highly unlikely she is killed anywhere other then jail/prison.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
July 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#198
On July 06 2011 04:40 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?

nope, she is free to do a "I did it" book ala OJ simpson talking about how he murdered 2 people and make good money off this.

I wonder who will play her in the movie.


If she testified and said that she didn't do it then she could be tried for perjury but from what I understand she didn't testify. If she were to admit right now that she did it I'm not sure what the state's recourse would be if any.
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 19:48:36
July 05 2011 19:46 GMT
#199
On July 06 2011 04:41 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 04:40 AzurewinD wrote:
Charge wasn't dropped. She was declared not guilty of aggravated child neglect along with the other charges today.


"The neglect charges were premised on the theory that Caylee was still alive. As the investigation progressed and it became clear that the evidence proved that the child was deceased, the State sought an indictment on the legally appropriate charges."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-10-22/news/casey22_1_caylee-marie-anthony-neglect


Sorry I was mistaken. I meant to speak to child abuse, not neglect.


Do you know the legal criteria for aggravated child neglect and what the evidence to prove each one is?


Nope do you? I'm just a bystander.
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
mathershop
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada104 Posts
July 05 2011 19:46 GMT
#200
On July 06 2011 04:38 mewby wrote:
is there any chance that this case will get another shot?

i believe it only can happen if solid evidence will be found
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