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On July 06 2011 04:59 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:19 Phenny wrote:
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Comment From Kevin in Fairfax, VA Kevin in Fairfax, VA: ]
They didn't say she is innocent. They said she is not guilty as charged.
This is an extremely important point to take note of. Kevin is a moron trying to show how intelligent he is by playing semantics. in·no·cent/ˈinəsənt/ Noun: An innocent person, in particular. Adjective: Not guilty of a crime or offense
well what he said is true, and jurors sometimes do come out afterward saying that they thought the person was guilty but could not convict. The NYC Cop rape case just a few weeks ago being a prime example. Similar in some ways how everything points to it, but no real hard evidence to act on.
A not guilty means exactly what he said.
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mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
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On July 06 2011 04:59 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:19 Phenny wrote:
From the liveblog on wftv.com
Comment From Kevin in Fairfax, VA Kevin in Fairfax, VA: ]
They didn't say she is innocent. They said she is not guilty as charged.
This is an extremely important point to take note of. Kevin is a moron trying to show how intelligent he is by playing semantics. in·no·cent/ˈinəsənt/ Noun: An innocent person, in particular. Adjective: Not guilty of a crime or offense
What he's saying is that she isn't innocent of killing Cayley necessarily, but she is not guilty of 1st degree murder as she was charged (for the fact she cannot be clearly and directly implicated and that there is definite grounds for reasonable doubt).
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It's easy to forget that justice is not the same as revenge. The public wanted revenge, but the jury delivered justice. It was the correct decision. The prosecution overreached and the investigation was sloppy -- whether or not she actually killed her daughter is beside the point.
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That Jury did the right thing even though they knew everyone would hate it. That's pretty admirable, in my opinion. If you could convict someone of murder without proper evidence, then imagine what kind of a country we would live in..*shudder*. Though we can't say for sure(and anyone who thinks they can say for sure is pretty misguided) whether or not she killed the child, if we can't prove she did, we can't charge her for murder. It's that simple.
Regardless, it doesn't really matter that much. That woman's life is completely destroyed. Putting her in jail would probably help her more than be a punishment, imo
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On July 06 2011 04:59 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:56 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:On July 06 2011 04:53 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:49 Eknoid4 wrote:On July 06 2011 04:36 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:33 Eknoid4 wrote:On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:31 3clipse wrote:I think my friend said it well in his facebook post: I am not gonna say what I think about Casey Anthony and whether she is guilty or not. I will say, it disgusts me that someone can go through every element of the justice system with the fiercest opposition, be found not guilty, and still be crucified by people who have no idea what the truth is. A trial is meant to be what determines guilt and innocence. If you just decide that someone must have gotten it wrong and so it's your right, power and privilege to act as though they are exactly what they were not found to be, you demean justice. Even if you are right. Even if they did it. The idea of a trial is to avoid you and people like you seeking villification and vindication for their own ends. Just so you know. That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder. Public vilification does not a villain make. Actually I would call her a villain or a psychopath. She was partying the entire time. Yes though you are right, I should not use my common sense on this case and instead defer to a legal system for determining my judgment. Again it just means the jurors, 12 people, decided it was not without a reasonable doubt, not that she did not do it. She obviously did kill her child IMO. The justice system is wrong a lot of the time. they could not get a "smoking" gun, but it was pretty clear to most people. There's nothing obvious about it and what you call her has nothing to do with what she is. The people with all the evidence and the express job of giving her a fair ruling without years of media exaggeration are the ones who made that decision, not just 12 random people asked on the street. Just because you think she did it doesn't mean you're qualified to make that decision. Im not qualified to make an opinion? Nice point, I didn't say I'm going to execute her or something I just said imo she murdered her daughter. Lets say you believe the defenses argument that she died in the pool. And all that Casey did was hide the body is that murder? or just stupidity IMHO its just a stupid decision to hide a body but is no way near enough to kill someone over it. despite what you belive Actually I believe in guilt regardless of intention. Also the whole going out that same night and participating in a show off your rack contest etc. A normal person would have called the police/ambulance, and even in that case it's the parents responsibility to protect their children from drowning, and In my opinion a murder charge would be fine. Do you understand that people's opinions do not have to match the legal systems in the country they are born?
A death by accident cannot be seen as murder 1 because of what murder one states which i not sure what it is but if their was enough proof they would of gave it to her. By 12 people saying not guilty that should be able to prove that she is not guilty of murder one but im not saying shes innocent of everything. Im sure she didnt something like negligence before the drowning (or who ever was inchareged of the child at that moment) because she was oviosiulsy not being watched over. But in no way is close to murder in the 1st degree.
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On July 06 2011 05:01 Kokujin wrote:
mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
I don't think it is that at all. It's just a small example of how shitty humanity is and the lack of justice in it. The fact a 3-4 year old girl is dead, buried in a shallow grave, and her mother partied that night and the other 31 days without ever reporting her missing and will not face any real justice is what people are upset about. Because people with empathy understand that if your little daughter goes missing 31 days you dont party the whole time unless you are severely psychopathic and guilty. Including making up a story that her babysitter abducted her. Most people can use logical deduction to figure out what happened.
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On July 06 2011 05:05 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:59 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:56 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:On July 06 2011 04:53 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:49 Eknoid4 wrote:On July 06 2011 04:36 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:33 Eknoid4 wrote:On July 06 2011 04:32 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 04:31 3clipse wrote:I think my friend said it well in his facebook post: I am not gonna say what I think about Casey Anthony and whether she is guilty or not. I will say, it disgusts me that someone can go through every element of the justice system with the fiercest opposition, be found not guilty, and still be crucified by people who have no idea what the truth is. A trial is meant to be what determines guilt and innocence. If you just decide that someone must have gotten it wrong and so it's your right, power and privilege to act as though they are exactly what they were not found to be, you demean justice. Even if you are right. Even if they did it. The idea of a trial is to avoid you and people like you seeking villification and vindication for their own ends. Just so you know. That guy is an idiot, a non guilty verdict does not mean innocent. OJ simpson was found not guilty in criminal court, but still guilty in civil court and forced to pay the families of the two people he killed for murder. Public vilification does not a villain make. Actually I would call her a villain or a psychopath. She was partying the entire time. Yes though you are right, I should not use my common sense on this case and instead defer to a legal system for determining my judgment. Again it just means the jurors, 12 people, decided it was not without a reasonable doubt, not that she did not do it. She obviously did kill her child IMO. The justice system is wrong a lot of the time. they could not get a "smoking" gun, but it was pretty clear to most people. There's nothing obvious about it and what you call her has nothing to do with what she is. The people with all the evidence and the express job of giving her a fair ruling without years of media exaggeration are the ones who made that decision, not just 12 random people asked on the street. Just because you think she did it doesn't mean you're qualified to make that decision. Im not qualified to make an opinion? Nice point, I didn't say I'm going to execute her or something I just said imo she murdered her daughter. Lets say you believe the defenses argument that she died in the pool. And all that Casey did was hide the body is that murder? or just stupidity IMHO its just a stupid decision to hide a body but is no way near enough to kill someone over it. despite what you belive Actually I believe in guilt regardless of intention. Also the whole going out that same night and participating in a show off your rack contest etc. A normal person would have called the police/ambulance, and even in that case it's the parents responsibility to protect their children from drowning, and In my opinion a murder charge would be fine. Do you understand that people's opinions do not have to match the legal systems in the country they are born? A death by accident cannot be seen as murder 1 because of what murder one states which i not sure what it is but if their was enough proof they would of gave it to her. By 12 people saying not guilty that should be able to prove that she is not guilty of murder one but im not saying shes innocent of everything. Im sure she didnt something like negligence before the drowning (or who ever was inchareged of the child at that moment) because she was oviosiulsy not being watched over. But in no way is close to murder in the 1st degree.
It completely flew over your head right? I meant in my opinion and my beliefs not the legal systems. Do you not understand you can hold personal beliefs and opinions and don't have to follow a national version? Yes I know it is not possible to charge someone for accidentally running over someone with murder in America. It's just in my personal belief, if you by stupidity, error, or while in charge cause someone to die it should be murder regardless of intent. It's a very hard line view not many people have.
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Watch Nancy Grace start throwing tables.
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lol at all the people in this thread screaming she's guilty. Based on the evidence a jury found that there was reasonable doubt that she committed the crime. There were no eyewitnesses, and all evidence was circumstantial at best. They made the right decision, imo.
On a related note, its things like this that make me wish trials weren't televised like some sporting event. Now the whole country will be up in arms and Casey Anthony, who is not guilty of murder, will still be treated like a murderer. Trials being made into these spectacles by the media biases people to the point of blindness to the facts of the matter, and leads to the verdict being cheapened. She's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around, and yet now that her non-guilt is confirmed she'll probably be treated even worse for something a jury of her peers said she did not do.
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On July 06 2011 03:37 Modeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 03:28 sanya wrote:On July 06 2011 03:26 Modeath wrote:On July 06 2011 03:25 sanya wrote:
FINALLY
white people can stop complaining about O.J
good job america WAY DIFF oj killed his cheating skank of a wife. This woman Held a 3yo's head underwater, or Sufficated her till she drowned then dumped the body. both did it and got away with it , no ? not much difference then I hate to sound like a biggemist here but she almost deserved it cheating on her husband. He almost could have pleaded guilty via temporary insanity and gotten off cause didnt they accuse him of coming home finding his wife cheating getting the weapon and killing them? or was it premeditated I forgot. Oh well im not much of a religious person but for today im hoping 100% that there is a hell just for this women.
yeah it's not like oj beat the shit out of his wife before she cheated on him bitch deserved to die you know??????
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On July 06 2011 04:59 dacthehork wrote:
Actually I believe in guilt regardless of intention. Also the whole going out that same night and participating in a show off your rack contest etc. A normal person would have called the police/ambulance, and even in that case it's the parents responsibility to protect their children from drowning, and In my opinion a murder charge would be fine.
Do you understand that people's opinions do not have to match the legal systems in the country they are born? For instance I am very in favor of punishments like giving murder charges for DUI/car accidents/negligence/manslaughter/having a very young child drown while watching them / leaving a baby in a car in summer etc.
What you describe is the difference between a country governed by law, and a country governed by despotism. Do you understand what murder is defined as? It isn't what you want it to be, it is what is written down in the fucking book of statutes.
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Shes still hiding a lot of information.
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On July 06 2011 05:05 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:01 Kokujin wrote:
mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
I don't think it is that at all. It's just a small example of how shitty humanity is and the lack of justice in it. The fact a 3-4 year old girl is dead, buried in a shallow grave, and her mother partied that night and the other 31 days without ever reporting her missing and will not face any real justice is what people are upset about. Because people with empathy understand that if your little daughter goes missing 31 days you dont party the whole time unless you are severely psychopathic and guilty. Including making up a story that her babysitter abducted her. Most people can use logical deduction to figure out what happened.
No, you cannot speculate, especially not when you are potentially holding someones life in the balance. You can only go by the facts and evidence provided.
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On July 06 2011 05:01 Kokujin wrote:
mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
We have the mob mentality to ensure that if anyone ends up on the other side of said "hypocrisy", that we can rightfully persecute him or her by the rules set up by said mob mentality. That way, if someone happens to fall on the other side, that one person can't weasle his or her way out of what he or she used to support.
And besides, this isn't a witch hunt. I think Anthony has a higher chance of being a murderer than a woman actually being a witch. At least that's what conventional logic tells us. Maybe we'll find one day that there are no murderer's, only witches that frame the murderers.
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This is why you don't have kids.
Wanna party all your life? Don't make babies!
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On July 06 2011 05:07 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 04:59 dacthehork wrote:
Actually I believe in guilt regardless of intention. Also the whole going out that same night and participating in a show off your rack contest etc. A normal person would have called the police/ambulance, and even in that case it's the parents responsibility to protect their children from drowning, and In my opinion a murder charge would be fine.
Do you understand that people's opinions do not have to match the legal systems in the country they are born? For instance I am very in favor of punishments like giving murder charges for DUI/car accidents/negligence/manslaughter/having a very young child drown while watching them / leaving a baby in a car in summer etc. What you describe is the difference between a country governed by law, and a country governed by despotism. Do you understand what murder is defined as? It isn't what you want it to be, it is what is written down in the fucking book of statutes.
Holy crap you don't understand, It's my personal opinion NOTHING MORE. I'm allowed to have that opinion, I do not think they will change the laws on murders because of my opinions. What it is defined as legally in America does not effect my opinion.
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On July 06 2011 05:07 SilverJohnny wrote:
lol at all the people in this thread screaming she's guilty. Based on the evidence a jury found that there was reasonable doubt that she committed the crime. There were no eyewitnesses, and all evidence was circumstantial at best. They made the right decision, imo.
On a related note, its things like this that make me wish trials weren't televised like some sporting event. Now the whole country will be up in arms and Casey Anthony, who is not guilty of murder, will still be treated like a murderer. Trials being made into these spectacles by the media biases people to the point of blindness to the facts of the matter, and leads to the verdict being cheapened. She's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around, and yet now that her non-guilt is confirmed she'll probably be treated even worse for something a jury of her peers said she did not do.
So people aren't allowed to think she's guilty, and state that opinion? When did courts become infallible arbiters of truth?
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On July 06 2011 05:05 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:01 Kokujin wrote:
mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
I don't think it is that at all. It's just a small example of how shitty humanity is and the lack of justice in it. The fact a 3-4 year old girl is dead, buried in a shallow grave, and her mother partied that night and the other 31 days without ever reporting her missing and will not face any real justice is what people are upset about. Because people with empathy understand that if your little daughter goes missing 31 days you dont party the whole time unless you are severely psychopathic and guilty. Including making up a story that her babysitter abducted her. Most people can use logical deduction to figure out what happened.
I, for one, am glad that our justice system takes as much care as possible to remove irrational emotions from its due process. Justice is concerned with fair punishment as well. Juries shouldn't convict on grave charges that the evidence do not support just because some people want to go "Hulk smash!"
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On July 06 2011 05:08 Phenny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 05:05 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 05:01 Kokujin wrote:
mob mentality is hilarious. it's like you all, without any detailed facts, want her to be guilty so you can group together with pitchforks and chant burn the witch. it goes beyond not having trust in the legal system. all is fine until you are on the other side of the hypocrisy
I don't think it is that at all. It's just a small example of how shitty humanity is and the lack of justice in it. The fact a 3-4 year old girl is dead, buried in a shallow grave, and her mother partied that night and the other 31 days without ever reporting her missing and will not face any real justice is what people are upset about. Because people with empathy understand that if your little daughter goes missing 31 days you dont party the whole time unless you are severely psychopathic and guilty. Including making up a story that her babysitter abducted her. Most people can use logical deduction to figure out what happened. No, you cannot speculate, especially not when you are potentially holding someones life in the balance. You can only go by the facts and evidence provided.
Yes I can speculate, jesus christ, what are you talking about? No ones life is in the balance if I have that opinion. Are they going to execute her because I think it would be just? No. I am going by the facts and evidence I have seen in forming my opinion. I don't think you have any idea what I am saying.
I'm just saying its perfectly reasonable for people to be upset and think justice was not served despite an "official ruling", people are entitled to their opinions and to speculate.
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