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Justanx
United States240 Posts
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On May 03 2011 02:37 Xeris wrote: Uh... first: I had nothing to do with invites, this isn't my tournament. Second: Yes, I am judging based on previous results. How can you possibly judge based on something else? Third: Beastyqt isn't very good, he played in GCPL and lost most weeks. Fourth: Happy has no significant achievements, neither does Aristeo or Bly - so how can you say anything about them? Last: Ok, Nerchio is not bad, but having one extra player on the team that is decent doesn't warrant them being in this league. They had a chance to show that they didn't suck in GCPL, and they donked it up. Oh. My. God. Is this RLY the guy who (at least) partly stands for the invites of NASL?!?!?!? PLEASE, oh PLEASE follow ALL scenes CLOSELY if youre gonna have such a position and power, this makes u look (sorry) fucking ignorant and clueless, fuck -_-. You know what? I actually liked ur organising of tournaments, but now i know youre just another (i know not all but A LOT) NA guy who knows shit about the EU scene. Same as Kas being basically an UNKNOWN to NA ppl (!??!?!?!?!?!?!) and it was "BIGGEST UPSET OF TSL YET" when he 3-0d NaDa according to majority of SoTG, ofcourse they didnt know shit about Kas' like fucking crazy 80% win TvT. Sorry for being so frustrated, but it really saddens me when organisers know so little, it REALLY makes me question their decisions.. I guess this is months of frustration boiling over T_T | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Also, I do think that NA organizers do not keep up with the EU scene very closely. I know how good Happy is because I know he came from WC 3, was a (or the) top Undead player, and sees his ladder/weekly cup stats. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together and it's obvious he'll be a force to be reckoned with. But most NA people, including many of the organizers, do not know this. Many don't even know who Happy is, and has an impression of Beastyqt that sums up to "uh... yeah, I seem to recall someone named Beastyqt. What did he do again?" Sorry Beasty, but that's just the way it is. I know you're better than that, but you haven't been very prominent in big tournaments, and it's those tournaments that NA viewers follow. To this end, I think what Xeris is saying simply illustrates the degree to which we have separate communities in SC 2, as opposed to the unified one that some people think we have. Most people in NA didn't even know about Kas until he made a big splash in TSL. I draw a blank when I think about players like Nerchio and Darkforce, not because they suck but because they haven't made a splash in most of the big events that NA viewers watch. I can't keep up with Go4SC2 cups or Craft cups or the numerous other EU only cups that goes around every week and I think that's true for most people in NA, even the organizers. Personally, it's sad that there aren't more big, international, qualifier-based tournaments scheduled at a good time for NA viewers. | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:25 Noam wrote: Why not let Empire prove their worth by having qualifiers for a few spots? Such a simple solution. no thats way to much of a logical and thought out decision, ud have to know what youre doing to do such a thing | ||
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
On May 03 2011 03:09 noezke wrote: No Empire..... :S and 2v2 (l0l) ROOT to domiate \o/ I really don't see why there's so much commotion for people simply asking for fair playing conditions in a international tournament. Because the point isn't an international tournament. This is essentially an NA tournament. Inviting the EU teams is to the purpose of building the NA (and to a far lesser degree, EU) scene. You do notice that EG didn't bother trying to invite any korean or chinese team. They invited TL not because of its 3 players in korea but because they had players in NA and EU. From that perspective, it DOES seem unreasonable to expect to change the setup. Not that TL is being unreasonable. It's just that they want the tourney to be more international. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:31 CryMeAReaper wrote: Oh. My. God. Is this RLY the guy who (at least) partly stands for the invites of NASL?!?!?!? PLEASE, oh PLEASE follow ALL scenes CLOSELY if youre gonna have such a position and power, this makes u look (sorry) fucking ignorant and clueless, fuck -_-. You know what? I actually liked ur organising of tournaments, but now i know youre just another (i know not all but A LOT) NA guy who knows shit about the EU scene. Same as Kas being basically an UNKNOWN to NA ppl (!??!?!?!?!?!?!) and it was "BIGGEST UPSET OF TSL YET" when he 3-0d NaDa according to majority of SoTG, ofcourse they didnt know shit about Kas' like fucking crazy 80% win TvT. Sorry for being so frustrated, but it really saddens me when organisers know so little, it REALLY makes me question their decisions.. I guess this is months of frustration boiling over T_T LOL You ok bro? ^_^ User was warned for this post | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
[jenzebubble] i didnt think he was, but people sure seem to think he is [EG|SirScoots] nope | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
sorry dude, but this has been going on for such a long time, im just so annoyed o.o | ||
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HaRxTears
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:32 Azarkon wrote: Xeris is wrong in his assessment of the current Empire, but part of his argument makes sense: GCPL invited Empire and Empire failed there, so this time some other teams are going to be given a chance. There has to be a price for failing and if that means you have to sit out of the next team invitational league, then that's all the more motivation to not perform poorly. If a league simply invited the same teams to it over and over again, then how would new teams be able to prove themselves? Also, I do think that NA organizers do not keep up with the EU scene very closely. I know how good Happy is because I know he came from WC 3, was a (or the) top Undead player, and sees his ladder/weekly cup stats. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together and it's obvious he'll be a force to be reckoned with. But most NA people, including many of the organizers, do not know this. Many don't even know who Happy is, and has an impression of Beastyqt that sums up to "uh... yeah, I seem to recall someone named Beastyqt. What did he do again?" Sorry Beasty, but that's just the way it is. I know you're better than that, but you haven't been very prominent in big tournaments, and it's those tournaments that NA viewers follow. To this end, I think what Xeris is saying simply illustrates the degree to which we are separate communities in SC 2, as opposed to the unified one that some people think we have. Most people in NA didn't even know about Kas until he made a big splash in TSL. I draw a blank when I think about players like Nerchio and Darkforce, not because they suck but because they haven't made a splash in most of the big events that NA viewers watch. I agree I am unknown for most of people, reason? Because people like xeris are making invites lol (Rainbow instead 90% of other koreans good job). How many big tournaments were there and can you name me one where SAME players werent invited as always? | ||
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:34 CryMeAReaper wrote: no thats way to much of a logical and thought out decision, ud have to know what youre doing to do such a thing Right, because they definitely want to triple their amount of organizational work and resources spent to provide qualifiers, when there were already a precedent to judge from. I mean, do you expect HD to provide an elaborate qualifier system for his HD world tournament that he does? No, you don't, and it's downright silly to expect them to do so. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:26 crms wrote: 100% agree. At this point with his history of posting, outright lack of knowledge and complete lack of professionalism I can't for the life of me see how he is employed with anything pertaining to eSports. I mean a representative of many leagues and NASL just called out one of if not the best team in EU right now and called their players bad.. what? The best thing about eSports growing is eventually we will weed out these amateurs. First of all, Xeris is not a representative of EG. He's not associated with this league and he's giving his personal opinion. Get that straight. Second, Xeris is here because he has done a tremendous amount of organization for the community in Beta. He maybe an amateur, but he has done far more than any of his critics in this thread in terms of organization. I don't agree with Xeris's assessment of Empire, but he's not just someone who came out of nowhere. He is widely understood as one of the top organizers during Beta. | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:37 Beastyqt wrote: I agree I am unknown for most of people, reason? Because people like xeris are making invites lol (Rainbow instead 90% of other koreans good job). How many big tournaments were there and can you name me one where SAME players werent invited as always? You are unknown because you didn't do anything important if any in big european lan events. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:40 Frozenserpent wrote: Right, because they definitely want to triple their amount of organizational work and resources spent to provide qualifiers, when there were already a precedent to judge from. I mean, do you expect HD to provide an elaborate qualifier system for his HD world tournament that he does? No, you don't, and it's downright silly to expect them to do so. HD's tournament is for pennies compared to this.. that's the difference. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:37 Beastyqt wrote: I agree I am unknown for most of people, reason? Because people like xeris are making invites lol (Rainbow instead 90% of other koreans good job). How many big tournaments were there and can you name me one where SAME players werent invited as always? Beasty, it's understandable that you're pissed about the way NA invitationals are done, but what do you suggest? Should NA organizers invite people based on their GO4SC2 and CraftCup results? Because right now the way it's done, as far as I can see, is based on big tournament results like IEM, Dreamhack, MLG, GSL, and TSL. Rainbow used to be one of the top achieving Korean Terrans and had results in both Korean and foreign tournaments to back it up. I can understand why NASL would choose him over, say, MMA, whose achievements basically come down to some good performances in recent GSL games. | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:40 Frozenserpent wrote: Right, because they definitely want to triple their amount of organizational work and resources spent to provide qualifiers, when there were already a precedent to judge from. I mean, do you expect HD to provide an elaborate qualifier system for his HD world tournament that he does? No, you don't, and it's downright silly to expect them to do so. I think that providing qualifiers adds excitment, and u know that the teams which came from them truly "deservers" to be in it and gives an overall + to the league. If that means more work to do, I think thats reasonable, IF they want the highest quality league ofc. And i might be a nub to organising (or i know i am), but i really cant see how making a qualifier would be that much of a hassle. | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:47 Azarkon wrote: Beasty, it's understandable that you're pissed about the way NA invitationals are done, but what do you suggest? Should NA organizers invite people based on their GO4SC2 and CraftCup results? Because right now the way it's done, as far as I can see, is based on big tournament results like IEM, Dreamhack, MLG, GSL, and TSL. Rainbow used to be one of the top achieving Korean Terrans and had results in both Korean and foreign tournaments to back it up. I can understand why NASL would choose him over, say, MMA, who had nothing to his name beyond some stunning performances in recent GSL games. Im not pissed off  , I dont care how they invite I didnt bother applying because its kinda clear which players they will invite in their tournaments/leagues. | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:47 Azarkon wrote: Beasty, it's understandable that you're pissed about the way NA invitationals are done, but what do you suggest? Should NA organizers invite people based on their GO4SC2 and CraftCup results? Because right now the way it's done, as far as I can see, is based on big tournament results like IEM, Dreamhack, MLG, and TSL. Rainbow used to be one of the top achieving Korean Terrans and had results in both Korean and foreign tournaments to back it up. I can understand why NASL would choose him over, say, MMA, who had nothing to his name beyond some stunning performances in recent GSL games. A LOT of top EU players plays regularly in said cups, and ull always find names like Nerchio, Kas (oh shit 2 from empire), SjoW, Stephano (whos been on fire as of late), GoOdy, Tarson and BratOK in the later rounds, they do it cause its good practice and u can win some money (at least sunday go4sc2, its 200 euro 1st price). Those are names who does well in huge tournies. If someone consistently beats those players but for some reason havnt had a chance to play in an IEM or an MLG, does that mean they suckz and shouldnt be invited? Edit: oh shit ive mass posted in the last 15min O.o | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:40 Frozenserpent wrote: Right, because they definitely want to triple their amount of organizational work and resources spent to provide qualifiers, when there were already a precedent to judge from. I mean, do you expect HD to provide an elaborate qualifier system for his HD world tournament that he does? No, you don't, and it's downright silly to expect them to do so. A precedent which was also an invitational, as were all the other American team leagues which I can think of. How will the new up and coming teams get to prove their worth if its always invitationals? You should take a look at the SC2CL if you want to see some organizational work, dozens of teams in 20 divisions. Their Master division may only have a puny 1200euro prizepool but its 12 teams were composed of invites to popular teams such as MYM,Dignitas & Empire, as well as teams which qualified based on past results AND semi-open qualifiers for 16 teams. In my opinion, with $10,000 for prize money EG could find the time to do qualifiers for atleast 2 spots and 8-12 teams could be invited to participate. It is not as much work as you think it is. And HD? the only thing downright silly is calling his tournament "world tournament". | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
Play between EU/KR has three options. - Alternating. - Using the third NA server. - Using NA for two and KR for every 3rd game (thereby leveling out the EU latency advantage). | ||
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