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On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument.
Yeah, it's silly cause your reasoning is pretty silly.
They have Kas (by many viewers and players considered the best player in Europe atm), Nerchio and Happy (placed high and won a lot of tournaments lately, just look at the latest tournament roundup) and Beastyqt (doing very well in many weekly cups, not very top player but very solid and active). So they could beat any other team.
Now you say back when Nerchio and Happy weren't in the team and Kas wasn't that beastly, they didn't do well in this one tournament.
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On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument.
I think it would be better if you stopped making ignorant posts. It's bad enough you rip into Empire for no reason, disregarding that Happy has dominated EU ladder for months, and won the most cups in Europe recently.
Add in that you're responsible for NASL and it becomes quickly apparent that you're not in a position to be judging people at all. Especially just flat-out claiming that Beastyqt is a bad player. Way to go.
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Empire obviously not good enough. I mean, all the arguments used by Xeris "against" Empire (against between "" because the word is too strong) could be applied with 10 times the weight for Millenium, Sixjax or MYM.
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On May 03 2011 04:02 MrCon wrote:Empire obviously not good enough. I mean, all the arguments used by Xeris "against" Empire (against between "" because the word is too strong) could be applied with 10 times the weight for Millenium, Sixjax or MYM.
Not that I agree with Empire being left out but Xeris seems to be saying Empire completely sucked in GCPL so why should they get to play in this. How exactly does that apply to Millennium, Sixjax, or MYM?
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did i miss some great injustice occurred upon empire or something? if i am i apologize but i dont understand the vast public outcry based on their absence in this league. there are a lot of good teams out there, with a great rosters. but at the end of the day only so many people can partake in any given event.
this ones a bit more selective. could you make the argument that empire is better than some of these teams? probably. but that doesnt mean empire has some sort of divine right to a spot here. if the team is that dedicated and skilled at the game then they will get their shot to make it big.
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On May 03 2011 03:59 DocSeverinsen wrote:Show nested quote + Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument. Empire is quite different than it was back then. Additionally, the old players remaining in the lineup got way stronger and much more known (Kas internationally, Nerchio, Happy more in Europe). And i think invites should be made because of actual results and not what happened a while ago in a big other teamleague. Its the same thing people complain about Grandmasters league. The people who are good 2 month ago are not necessarily the best players right now. So you shouldnt base skill on an event that took place a while ago. And if you watch right now Empire is definitely one, if no the best team in Europe. On paar with the big American Teams easily.
there are so many examples of this, just looking at the GSL for example and seeing the names in the first GSL (and their quality of play) ... and now seeing how strong even code A is. re: bitbybitprime, tsl_rain, and others that seem to be dropping off the map.
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On May 03 2011 02:37 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 02:13 NotSupporting wrote:On May 02 2011 10:12 Xeris wrote:On May 02 2011 10:08 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Confused why team Empire did not get invited. Easily would be in top 4 with presented line up.
Nerchio, Kas, Beasty, Happy as main line up with BLy and hobot to call upon is a fearsome team Empire was 7th / 8 in the GCPL . @_@ Are you saying that your argument for not inviting Empire was because of their previous results? If so you are making a mistake, Empire's lineup is better now and it's the team of many top EU players. If you compare them to ROOT, Sixjax, Millenium, and MYM I think you will find that Empire is above their standard, especially the later three. Uh... first: I had nothing to do with invites, this isn't my tournament. Second: Yes, I am judging based on previous results. How can you possibly judge based on something else?Third: Beastyqt isn't very good, he played in GCPL and lost most weeks. Fourth: Happy has no significant achievements, neither does Aristeo or Bly - so how can you say anything about them? Last: Ok, Nerchio is not bad, but having one extra player on the team that is decent doesn't warrant them being in this league. They had a chance to show that they didn't suck in GCPL, and they donked it up.
You can look at the tournament results.. Happy and Nerchio have placed at the top in pretty much every european tournament in the last couple of months or so... you know, those tournaments Kas was never given credit for winning, until he roflstomped Nada 3-0. For someone who is in charge of organizing international tournaments, you have not the slightest idea of who are the current bosses in the european scene.
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On May 03 2011 04:04 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 04:02 MrCon wrote:Empire obviously not good enough. I mean, all the arguments used by Xeris "against" Empire (against between "" because the word is too strong) could be applied with 10 times the weight for Millenium, Sixjax or MYM. Not that I agree with Empire being left out but Xeris seems to be saying Empire completely sucked in GCPL so why should they get to play in this. How exactly does that apply to Millennium, Sixjax, or MYM?
This argument is not the one I talked about, I talked about the player breakdown post Xeris made, basically saying all Empire players sux besides Kas. I just doesn't feel right. When people use biased justifications, the natural reaction will be that they hide something, or that the real reasons are not valid enough to be made public. I play the devil advocate here, but I'm becoming more and more defiant against everything that organisation produce (nasl, sixpool, now this), there is always controversy and shady stuff. (perhaps it's their way to hype things). Compare this to GSL or TSL. Everything is clear, choices are explained logically.
I feel I've gone too far in my post and now looks like a basic hater, so I'll just say it's a personal feeling that can be 100% wrong, and most likely is.
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On May 03 2011 04:04 Sporadic44 wrote:
did i miss some great injustice occurred upon empire or something? if i am i apologize but i dont understand the vast public outcry based on their absence in this league. there are a lot of good teams out there, with a great rosters. but at the end of the day only so many people can partake in any given event.
this ones a bit more selective. could you make the argument that empire is better than some of these teams? probably. but that doesnt mean empire has some sort of divine right to a spot here. if the team is that dedicated and skilled at the game then they will get their shot to make it big.
I don't think there's a vast outcry, but people who follow the scene closely recognize that Empire's current roster is basically one of the most fearsome around. Happy is rated #1 in the world (yes ladder hero but it's still an achievement) with the best win ratio as well. Him and Nerchio are basically winning every cup they participate in @ Europe. Kas needs no introduction and Beastyqt is also doing well for himself lately.
You could argue they deserve a spot more than a few other teams. However I remember Kas saying that EU>NA was very laggy for him (Ukranian net is bad(?)) so it's possible the team didn't want to participate, but I guess Nerchio and Beasty's presence in this thread means they were simply overlooked.
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On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument.
are you really serious? If anyone think that a team like sixjax is even near the current empire lineup you are clearly clueless to the scene today. Compared to sixjax they are 10 times better and comapred to milennium maybe only 2 times better. Go look up the player achivements from the last month and you will understand aswell.
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Obviously Empire is a top team. i think nobody really doubts that.
oh well yes Xeris, but seriously who cares? He has nothing to say here.
P.S And we already saw his attitude with the selection process in NASL. (Nightend etc...)
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This will be awesome too watch, although I do question why sixjax got in when they have 0 results as far as I know lol.
Wish there were qualifiers as those are always awesome but can't wait for this too start! ^_^
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On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument.
it bothers me that someone with such influence and has a foot in the community can be this fucking smug and down right ignorant.
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I think the people representing this league should either stop posting in this thread or considering making some changes to this league. It's quite clear to me that a large amount of people disagree with some of the decisions being made, especially with TL and Empire, and Xeris making ignorant claims against Empire and their players along with others representing EG trying to argue against Jinro Nony and such is only making everything worse and making your league look pathetic.
If you want this league to be successful I think it would be best for you guys to seriously consider making changes because creating a format where you decide you don't have to listen to teams and the community and just throw some money at a league and expect it to be wildly successful will not work out in the long run.
The TL guys obviously have much more experience then Xeris and the EG guys do about playing cross server from Korea with players over there and a very awesome tournament already run in that format. I think it's quite stupid ignore all that and instead take the immature route and just saying no over and over again. And I think the comments Xeris is making about Empire and some of their players being bad and then inviting lesser teams like MYM in their place. Even if Empire was bad (which they clearly are not), why would you, Xeris, who is suppose to be representing this league straight out call a team and their players bad. Not only is that completely out of line for yourself, it reflects poorly on the whole project.
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On May 03 2011 04:11 Resilient wrote:
I don't think there's a vast outcry, but people who follow the scene closely recognize that Empire's current roster is basically one of the most fearsome around. Happy is rated #1 in the world (yes ladder hero but it's still an achievement) with the best win ratio as well. Him and Nerchio are basically winning every cup they participate in @ Europe. Kas needs no introduction and Beastyqt is also doing well for himself lately.
You could argue they deserve a spot more than a few other teams. However I remember Kas saying that EU>NA was very laggy for him (Ukranian net is bad(?)) so it's possible the team didn't want to participate, but I guess Nerchio and Beasty's presence in this thread means they were simply overlooked.
thank you for the explanation. i havent followed the euro scene as much as of late due to the ign and ipl so i had no idea they were wrecking face over there. its hard to say if they were overlooked or omitted on purpose. id like to say overlooked but really there's no way of knowing such things because thats in the hands of those whom organized the event. all i can say is this
in reading the defense that so many people put forward regarding empire, i hope to see their players excel and break into bigger tournaments in the near future. anyone who puts that much effort into this game deserves to be rewarded.
sorry for speaking from an ignorant perspective initially.
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On May 03 2011 04:04 Sporadic44 wrote:
did i miss some great injustice occurred upon empire or something? if i am i apologize but i dont understand the vast public outcry based on their absence in this league. there are a lot of good teams out there, with a great rosters. but at the end of the day only so many people can partake in any given event.
this ones a bit more selective. could you make the argument that empire is better than some of these teams? probably. but that doesnt mean empire has some sort of divine right to a spot here. if the team is that dedicated and skilled at the game then they will get their shot to make it big.
I think it's just the frustration of a long going trend of NA folks being completely ignorant of the EU scene. Kas being an unknown random until he destroyed Nada, Thorzain very much the same, heck even Naniwa dominating MLG was considered a huge upset.
That random NA viewers knowledge of players begins and ends with MLG and SotG exposure is one thing, but when Xeris who was in charge of the NASL invites ignorantly rips on currently some of the best EU players it becomes worrisome, saddening and at the same time - not surprising.
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On May 03 2011 04:12 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument. are you really serious? If anyone think that a team like sixjax is even near the current empire lineup you are clearly clueless to the scene today. Compared to sixjax they are 10 times better and comapred to milennium maybe only 2 times better. Go look up the player achivements from the last month and you will understand aswell.
I don't think this guy Xeris follows the EU scene at al.. you can infer this, when he says Nerchio is not bad, but dismisses Happy - yet it is Happy who clearly has had the better overall results than Nerchio.
How can he pick players without knowing their current level of play? it sounds like the guy who would invite Rainbow instead of MMA, Ryung or Bomber.. oops, that's right, ..he just did that.
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i wish that you guys would just set up a poll where we can vote for who we feel is the most deserving to be in the league. Then Empire would be here, and vT probably wouldn't have been in the GCPL.
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On May 03 2011 03:47 Xeris wrote:
Why should Empire be invited over other teams when they had a chance in another big league and didn't make it? @__@
Such a silly argument.
Why not let Empire prove their worth by having qualifiers for a few spots?
Such a simple solution.
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And I think the comments Xeris is making about Empire and some of their players being bad and then inviting lesser teams like MYM in their place. Even if Empire was bad (which they clearly are not), why would you, Xeris, who is suppose to be representing this league straight out call a team and their players bad. Not only is that completely out of line for yourself, it reflects poorly on the whole project.
100% agree.
At this point with his history of posting, outright lack of knowledge and complete lack of professionalism I can't for the life of me see how he is employed with anything pertaining to eSports. I mean a representative of many leagues and NASL just called out one of if not the best team in EU right now and called their players bad.. what?
The best thing about eSports growing is eventually we will weed out these amateurs.
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