EPTWho is currently the Zerg King? - Page 19
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Jager
United Kingdom140 Posts
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Nasradime
France83 Posts
On April 23 2011 03:14 Eppa! wrote: Zerg feels very unstable as a race unlike terran or protoss it is harder to see who is better atm. Good conclusion after so many pages. Overall styles and favored unit composition are continuously changing; we can't call a king now, especially so recently after a MAJOR modification of the metagame in the last recent patch (with infestor becoming almost a must have, while his fonction changing a bit). In terms of pure skills, consistency and mechanics, I would go for Nestea, followed by IdrA (but I don't have watched as many games of Losira and Sen, so maybe they should be before him). I love July's play but it's too chaotic (and therefore his results are more random) to put him on the podium. But definitively has the potential  | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:00 Shadowcloak wrote: wait wait you Freaking lebron james hater ! screw KOBE(idra aswell) Sen fighting Can't call him a king without a ring  | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On April 23 2011 03:32 Jager wrote: I would consider IdrA more like L. Ron Hubbard rather than a King purely for the fact that his fanboys are just as deluded and unwavering as scientologists are. I feel like his antifans are like that, they can not see beyond all bm that he is actually a really good management player. | ||
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Nasradime
France83 Posts
Always same arguments from both sides btw... Why one cares to answer each time ? IdrA's not creating any drama, you people are -_- | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:47 Nasradime wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaah why everywhere his name is mentioned it ends up in meaningless fights between IdrA's fan and anti fan ? Always same arguments from both sides btw... Why one cares to answer each time ? IdrA's not creating any drama, you people are -_- Really? Haven't you ever seen any of his games? They basically all end with him winning and he calls the other player bad, or he loses and he calls the other player bad. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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Footler
United States560 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:09 Khyrandor wrote: The throne is waiting for Mondragon to take it Seriously, he may have lost in the TSL already but his play just looks so damn smart and the way zergs should be playing. Mondragon, imo, is truly a great mind and SC2 could really use someone like him to accelerate the development of strategies. I could be biased though, <3 mondi. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
No zerg has been putting up consistent wins. Period. Zerg is just in a tough position right now. Zergs just can't seem to figure out how to beat protoss consistently if they are willing to mass up. Until that situation is figured out, we're not going to have zerg players posting multiple tournament wins versus the best possible competition. However, what we can look at is these players play. In the foreigner scene, just based on play, I don't know how you could possibly argue against IdrA. He consistantly outplays a lot of his opponents and fellow zergs. However, as Jibba said earlier, he frequently makes a stupid mistake that costs him the game, but on the whole, that game was extremely good play. Look no further than his first match versus MC at Dreamhack. In large portions of that match, IdrA just looked like he was playing flat out better than MC, then he made a grevious error and lost the game. The problem with using results to determine who is the best is that right now, you can do some pretty stupid stuff and win. It's not like Brood War where something that's stupid is going to be punished by a top level player almost every time. For example, you could say legitimately through looking at results that MorroW is better at ZvT than IdrA. However, if you look at his actual games...he baneling busts all the time and a lot of people just aren't ready for it, but when you look at games that actually go into a macro game, can you honestly argue that MorroW is better than IdrA at ZvT? I wouldn't think so. At the end of the day, who is the zerg "king"? No one. No one is putting up consistant wins or close games versus the best possible competition. However, it is laughable that so many people are saying stuff like "IdrA? lolno" Sure, he's not winning absolutely everything, but no zerg is. You don't have to like him or think he's the best, but saying he's just not good anymore is laughable. Perhaps Nestea is #1, but if he is, IdrA is a close #2 | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/silver.png) HDH![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/thmOE.png) King of the Beta | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
About Idra, first I'll state that I'm neither a fan nor an anti-fan, I do not giggle in happiness when Idra loses, but I think that objectively looking at the level of play, he's a little under the top foreigner zergs (Dimaga/Sen). I also believe that, since Idra's mechanic abilities and overall gamesense are incredibly good, his decision making and attitude with frustration is what's setting him back, it's hard to come up with any other explanation. As evidence of this, I'd compare his ZvT with his ZvP. In ZvT, idra looks solid, confident in his decision making, confident in how to attack, defend and counter enemy aggression, he strikes surely and with deadly intent in sort of surgical strikes that often cause critical damage and end games. In ZvP however, Idra looks a little lost, and as the matches progress he looks more and more uncomfortable, missing attack windows, GGing to hallucinated VRs out of frustration, 6-pooling an opponent who always scouts after pylon on 2 player maps, insisting on a unit composition that clearly cannot work, failing to put pressure on protoss on many maps, etc. He also has stated himself on SotG that he feels the matchup is way unbalanced, and that he feels frustrated with it. However, a true king cannot let such things influence his decision making in-game. Out of the game, he can whine as hard as he wants, but when he is playing his game cannot suffer so visibly from this type of thing, it's just not a king's attitude. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
I wouldn't even say that MC is king of Protoss yet, because as we saw he can still lose. The caliber of player that it takes to become king is great, and you need years of results to display a real king IMHO. Without enough hard evidence, I would say there is no King of Zerg at this point. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On April 23 2011 05:41 MrSexington wrote: Unlisted IdrA accomplishments: HDHKing of the BetaWell both were in beta, and like a year ago, so I dunno if it really counts all that high. The game is completely different now. | ||
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tsuxiit
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On April 23 2011 06:16 Euronyme wrote: Well both were in beta, and like a year ago, so I dunno if it really counts all that high. The game is completely different now. Good to know the game is never going to change ever again. Thanks.  | ||
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