Rewards for... losing?

jdreamer

Australia296 Posts

April 08 2011 00:38 GMT

Okie, I know that there have been a lot of portrait farmers, people who solely play the games just to achieve some rewards when they win or do the tasks required to get the achievements.

However, in order to encourage people to play more, why don't Blizzard start this reverse psychology thing and at the same thing, comfort the people or using some funny portraits and awards to make them feel better?

Purple heart, etc...? What do you think? :D

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

April 08 2011 00:39 GMT

seems like more of an incentive for people to just mass lose games like the botters, either way it'd end up being farmed just as easy

rewarding people for losing seems like , noobing them game more so than they have by removing losses

Nemasyst.598

United States285 Posts

April 08 2011 00:40 GMT

Sounds great, except the portrait farmers will get even more portraits, because they lose a lot, then win a lot, thus getting all the portraits

Just my take on in ^-^

Owarida

United States333 Posts

April 08 2011 00:40 GMT

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Trepanation

United States111 Posts

April 08 2011 00:41 GMT

Rather not have people throwing games on ladder just so they can get there silly portraits. You shouldn't be playing sc2 for pictures. When people lose your reward is trying to improve your play.

EliteAzn

United States661 Posts

April 08 2011 00:44 GMT

maybe a reward for increasing your mmr....
better thing is, you'll never see it coming

FiWiFaKi

Canada9859 Posts

April 08 2011 00:44 GMT

You know, I think promoting ladder play for casuals is good, but that isn't the way to go. If there were things like a portrait for a 10 loss streak.

What I can see working however is portraits for say 100 games player over 15 minutes, then 250 - so on.

neSix

United States1772 Posts

April 08 2011 00:50 GMT

I don't think this is a bad idea at all. I mean if Blizzard were going to invest their time in anything I'd hope it wasn't this because there are about a million other things I wish they would spend time on... but having that said, why not add something extra for the players that struggle? It doesn't hurt anyone else!

TurtlePerson2

United States218 Posts

April 08 2011 00:50 GMT

Everyone wins half of their games anyways. If anything, you would give people portraits for playing a bunch of games.

DrBoo

Canada1177 Posts

April 08 2011 00:52 GMT

#10

why not just force it to be a minimum of a 12 minute game before it counts as a win for portraits then people couldn't just 6 pool all day for them

SDream

Brazil896 Posts

April 08 2011 00:53 GMT

#11

I also don't like the idea of almost every portrait being a reward for victories only. There could be somes that require making 100 000 drones, 100 000 000 army value etc, so it would count our losses.

Every single one of them could be exploited, but at least it would require different exploits...

Torpedo.Vegas

United States1890 Posts

April 08 2011 00:55 GMT

#12

Maybe not for losing specifically, but maybe for total games played, or total time playing a certain race? It would continue to give a player rewards regardless of winning or losing, but not encourage the population of achievement enthusiasts to throw games and screw up the ladder. Or even perhaps for total times completing a game on a certain map or total time spent on Starcraft2 Battle.net.

Xswordy

United Kingdom425 Posts

April 08 2011 00:58 GMT

#13

Patch 1.4.11

# Leagues & Ladders

* In addition to losses, wins are now also no longer shown. Instead, players will see Jim Raynor giving them a thumbs-up after every match regardless if they win or lose.

That's from blizz's april fool patch notes.

Imalengrat

Australia365 Posts

April 08 2011 00:58 GMT

#14

I've always felt it would be a good idea to reward players for reaching certain leagues. Anyone can get 1000 wins with each race with an MMR of nearly zero, but wouldnt it be good if you were rewarded with like a diamond decal for reaching the league. Sure heaps of people would have it, but alot of people wouldn't. Would be an achievement that requires skill, not time.

jlim

Spain943 Posts

April 08 2011 01:05 GMT

#15

On April 08 2011 09:40 Owarida wrote:
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lol hilarious

Anyways I think a good fix would be to remove unlockable portraits. Either make them all public either wipe em all out. If you're playing sc2 just for the portraits you should not be playing it at all in the first place...

but of course casual players who don't get into the hardcore playing still need a feat to achieve, and they will pay the 60$ the game is worth anyways, so forget about any portrait fixing

RyanRushia

United States2748 Posts

April 08 2011 01:06 GMT

#16

i dont see why not... if people wanna farm icons they gonna go for it anyway

bkrow

Australia8532 Posts

April 08 2011 01:11 GMT

#17

You never know.. Step 1 remove the loss counter to make people feel awesome, Step 2 grant portrait to people who are terrible, Step 3 Grandmaster Bronze League - for the best of the best of Bronze..

A bit ridiculous; play the game, if you play casually why would you care either way?

jdreamer

Australia296 Posts

April 08 2011 01:12 GMT

#18

Yea, like I said some people maybe trying real hard in order to achieve certain levels in the game but the commitment like time consumed for playing, etc is a big factor to why some players do not improve drastically like the others. I know that some of my friends play the game just because of the story/campaign and once they finished with that, they basically just leave the multiplayer alone because they feel that they will never achieve those cool portraits or decals from winning since they do not have time to practise because of work.

Therefore, I feel that if rewarding these 'casual' players, it will at least boost the playability for them and once they start to spend a little more time on the game, they will obviously improve eventually. Thus, the rewards for losing may come into account.

That's what I personally feel anyway, from the marketing point of view.

CidO

United States695 Posts

April 08 2011 01:13 GMT

#19

purpose of a game is to have fun, pro gamers have fun by being pros, casuals have fun by being casual, some people have fun by farming portraits, the moment you take the fun out of it, blizzard may as well be paying you to play as it'll become "work" instead of "play"

ThaZenith

Canada3116 Posts

April 08 2011 01:14 GMT

#20

Terrible idea. All people would do is set up their comps to auto search/leave games overnight. Unlike farming for winning portraits, for losing ones you will 100% be able to get them doing nothing at all lol.

Typhon

United States387 Posts

April 08 2011 01:14 GMT

#21

On April 08 2011 09:58 Imalengrat wrote:
I've always felt it would be a good idea to reward players for reaching certain leagues. Anyone can get 1000 wins with each race with an MMR of nearly zero, but wouldnt it be good if you were rewarded with like a diamond decal for reaching the league. Sure heaps of people would have it, but alot of people wouldn't. Would be an achievement that requires skill, not time.

Since everyone looks at your league badge before your achievement showcase anyways, this is slightly redundant. (Actually, who even looks at other people's achievements?)

L.F.Haunt

United States47 Posts

April 08 2011 01:14 GMT

#22

all u would have to do would is leave right when the game starts. giving ppl undeserving wins, messing up the mmr system

jdreamer

Australia296 Posts

April 08 2011 01:19 GMT

#23

That's why there is always some policies or rules that come into play for rewards system. Of course, when a company like Blizzard wanna implement such a new system, they will think of the exploits that people will do in order to achieve these 'rewards'.

HEROwithNOlegacy

United States850 Posts

April 08 2011 01:32 GMT

#24

I feel like the percent of portrait farmers is so so small compared to the people who actually just play the game for fun or for competitive purposes. I would think that less than 1% of the community on battle.net purposely plays loses game after game to get matched up against people who want to portrait farm. I think Blizzard has a good system how it is right now and if people want to portrait farm, let them. In the end who ever remembers a player or acknowledges a player for having a certain portrait. I know most people including myself create opinions on a player based on seeing them actually play the game.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

April 08 2011 01:35 GMT

#25

I don't see the point in rewarding people for joining and quitting a match. Cause that's all you'd have to do if you are interested in portrait farming. Sure it would boost some people's ladder points but it's not a good incentive to have the game mature more.

jdreamer

Australia296 Posts

April 08 2011 15:21 GMT

#26

I still think that it will boost the casual players' morale by doing so. Of course make it binded with some rules or stuff like that so players won't auto leave games all night long.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

April 08 2011 16:03 GMT

#27

I always thought that you should get baneling portrait for losing rather than for winnig.
Being baneling sucks, no matter how you look at it.

Marzuki

United States30 Posts

April 08 2011 17:43 GMT

#28

I think the whole idea behind the rewards system is "Good job, you are playing the game well so here's something to prove it". Perhaps a greater selection of portraits from the start would be good, but rewarding people for losing is very counter-intuitive.

AeonStrife

United States918 Posts

April 08 2011 18:04 GMT

#29

Its called being "demoted". Hope it makes you feel better for losing.

If you are in Bronze and are losing alot? The game uninstalls itself and forces you to read the Teamliquid strat forum.

Rabiator

Germany3948 Posts

April 08 2011 19:31 GMT

#30

On April 08 2011 10:13 CidO wrote:
purpose of a game is to have fun, pro gamers have fun by being pros, casuals have fun by being casual, some people have fun by farming portraits, the moment you take the fun out of it, blizzard may as well be paying you to play as it'll become "work" instead of "play"

The problem with rewarding people for being bad at the game is that some people with principles might see this as a "dumbing down" and lose part of their fun. This was certainly the case for me and the whole PvP nonsense in WoW - which should have NO rewards other than a title IMO - was a big factor in my quitting that game. Others might be appalled by this stupid focus of Blizzard on these non-reward-rewards (portraits or rather achievement points) instead of focusing on the important things (LAN, chat channels, shared replay viewing, ...). Its just distracting from the game and you cant buy anything for achievement points, so what is the point of them again? Oh yes ... epeen value.

If people want to collect pretty pictures they should go and collect stamps IMO because getting a set of those actually is an achievement compared to the SC2 ones.

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

April 08 2011 19:33 GMT

#31

The protraits in place already kind of do that. You don't need to get a great win percentage to get any of them, you just need to play more games.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

April 08 2011 19:35 GMT

#32

This is a competitive gaming site. I'm chucking this thread in with all the threads about using third party macros and Nostromo's. It doesn't belong here.

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