EPTSavior plays BW games on Afreeca - Page 27
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SweetAs
New Zealand290 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
In this video, at the time I linked he gets a message from Bisu[Shield]...is that a troll? Or did the real bisu msg him, idk what the kor says ;;. | ||
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Herper
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On June 14 2011 18:30 Megaliskuu wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crzFMhoAAFQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=747s In this video, at the time I linked he gets a message from Bisu[Shield]...is that a troll? Or did the real bisu msg him, idk what the kor says ;;. I'm 99% sure, bisu doesn't use his 'real' ID in ICCUP.. He used to use HomeAlone nick at some point afair. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
Yes it is the real Bisu. It just says like your friend bisu[shield] has entered/exited battle.net (i forget which one  ). | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On June 14 2011 18:43 SnowFantasy wrote: That isn't ICCup though, thats west. Yes it is the real Bisu. ah alright, soz. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
In my opinion, his ban doesn't serve any good, for anyone - a few years 'time off' as a penalty is more than enough, and I think it would be incredible to see him playing again, especially if he could make a strong come back - although a lot of people would probably hate him anyway because of all the trash that was piled up on him during the whole matchfixing affair when he was pretty much made the biggest scapegoat of it all... Still, hope he does well with whatever he ends up doing in future. The guy obviously has a brilliant mind. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
But it saddens me immensely that he still plays.... Why become a match-fixer, why...................... | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On June 14 2011 18:55 darktreb wrote: I won't get into whether he should be allowed to play again But it saddens me immensely that he still plays.... Why become a match-fixer, why...................... So, because your screw up you should just drop the things you love to do? Or did you mean that he still plays and you cannot watch him play? If not, you are idiot. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 14 2011 18:45 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote: Feel like a lifetime ban is way too harsh of a punishment on something like this. Sure, he screwed up - but I can sort of understand the guy, too. He invested into Starcraft no less than any other players did, being a progamer since... 16, was it? He had so many incredible performances yet was often underrated imo, and it's not like people don't make dumb mistakes in their early 20's. In my opinion, his ban doesn't serve any good, for anyone - a few years 'time off' as a penalty is more than enough, and I think it would be incredible to see him playing again, especially if he could make a strong come back - although a lot of people would probably hate him anyway because of all the trash that was piled up on him during the whole matchfixing affair when he was pretty much made the biggest scapegoat of it all... Still, hope he does well with whatever he ends up doing in future. The guy obviously has a brilliant mind. He brought the entire scene into disrepute and not only did he fix matches for himself, he helped others to do the same. I don't know about you but he definitely deserves a life-time ban. He also didn't help his case by flat out lying and denying when it first surfaced and then proceeded to drag his coach's name through the mud. Can you really trust him again after all he's done? | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On June 14 2011 19:00 Grettin wrote: So, because your screw up you should just drop the things you love to do? Or did you mean that he still plays and you cannot watch him play? If not, you are clueless. Uhh, nice job jumping to conclusions and completely misinterpreting what I said It saddens me because I wish he'd never match-fixed and was still playing on TV. It saddens me because while he deserves his sentence the thought of someone who was perhaps the greatest genius of this game ever is sitting somewhere, still playing a game where his genius probably can't even be quieted, is, well, sad. It saddens me to know that he should probably just move on but enjoys playing the game enough that he still does. I would be happier if he was just a mercenary who only played the game for money, but instead it saddens me to know that he made a big mistake and is now paying the price for it forever. It saddens me because he's the reason I started following BW and gave me a lot of hours of entertainment, and even though he screwed up big time I still miss watching him play. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
I don't speak korean, so I can't make anything of it, but for those of you who can: www.majaeyun.com | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On June 14 2011 19:05 darktreb wrote: Uhh, nice job jumping to conclusions and completely misinterpreting what I said It saddens me because I wish he'd never match-fixed and was still playing on TV. It saddens me because while he deserves his sentence the thought of someone who was perhaps the greatest genius of this game ever is sitting somewhere, still playing a game where his genius probably can't even be quieted, is, well, sad. It saddens me to know that he should probably just move on but enjoys playing the game enough that he still does. I would be happier if he was just a mercenary who only played the game for money, but instead it saddens me to know that he made a big mistake and is now paying the price for it forever. It saddens me because he's the reason I started following BW and gave me a lot of hours of entertainment, and even though he screwed up big time I still miss watching him play. Hard to not jump to conclusions after that post.. This clears it though. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
On June 14 2011 19:02 Telcontar wrote: He brought the entire scene into disrepute and not only did he fix matches for himself, he helped others to do the same. I don't know about you but he definitely deserves a life-time ban. He also didn't help his case by flat out lying and denying when it first surfaced and then proceeded to drag his coach's name through the mud. Can you really trust him again after all he's done? How can you say that he, single-handedly, brought the entire scene into disrepute? Considering how big the whole affair was, it is very naive to even suggest that, obviously if he didn't get involved with it, then someone else would have, he was simply (and is that even really proven?...) amongst the first to accept the money in it. Yes, it was shady and not at all a good thing to do, but it's not like he was the only one tempted by it or something - he was just smart enough to do more than merely throw his own games for money. In my eyes, he isn't any more a villain in this than any of the people who profited off the whole endeavour. (which still makes him a pretty big villain, but making him the scapegoat for the entire affair isn't fair, imo). As for denying this stuff... Can you honestly say you would have the 'integrity' to accept criminal charges in court right away? I dunno, I've never been in such a situation myself, but I can see why he wouldn't - besides, again, do we even know for sure that he was the original perpetrator of the whole thing? We're never going to find out the whole truth about it, nor the real reasonings behind any of what happened. The fact that he still plays BW now while being banned from progaming goes to show he does care about the game and not just the money in it, which, considering how royally screwed he was in the end, is in my eyes pretty darn impressive. I do think the whole matchfixing thing was disgusting but really, everybody falls - it's how fast we get up and find our way again that counts. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
What Savior did was wrong and idiotic, but disbarment for life? People grow up and learn from their mistakes. Continuing to punish him for it is nothing short of vindictive. | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On June 14 2011 19:37 Ocedic wrote: So Savior was banned from KESPA leagues, I can understand that. But banning him from SC2 leagues as well is just dumb. Not sure how many people on the BW forum follow the SC2 scene, but there's quite a lot of foreign players in SC2 who were known hackers in Brood War, and now enjoy relatively successful SC2 'careers.' What Savior did was wrong and idiotic, but disbarment for life? People grow up and learn from their mistakes. Continuing to punish him for it is nothing short of vindictive. Yeah, we had this debate couple pages back week or two ago, and the guy who i talked with had some great points. But i still think matchfixing is at completely different level comparing it to maphacking or hacking on some level etc. But thats just my opinion. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Maybe everyone here should watch this interesting (40min long) video and then argue. Oh man, I'm so sad that I came into BW-proscene so late despite loving the game for ten years. Wish I could have seen Savior rolling the scene. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 14 2011 19:18 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote: How can you say that he, single-handedly, brought the entire scene into disrepute? Considering how big the whole affair was, it is very naive to even suggest that, obviously if he didn't get involved with it, then someone else would have, he was simply (and is that even really proven?...) amongst the first to accept the money in it. Yes, it was shady and not at all a good thing to do, but it's not like he was the only one tempted by it or something - he was just smart enough to do more than merely throw his own games for money. In my eyes, he isn't any more a villain in this than any of the people who profited off the whole endeavour. (which still makes him a pretty big villain, but making him the scapegoat for the entire affair isn't fair, imo). As for denying this stuff... Can you honestly say you would have the 'integrity' to accept criminal charges in court right away? I dunno, I've never been in such a situation myself, but I can see why he wouldn't - besides, again, do we even know for sure that he was the original perpetrator of the whole thing? We're never going to find out the whole truth about it, nor the real reasonings behind any of what happened. The fact that he still plays BW now while being banned from progaming goes to show he does care about the game and not just the money in it, which, considering how royally screwed he was in the end, is in my eyes pretty darn impressive. I do think the whole matchfixing thing was disgusting but really, everybody falls - it's how fast we get up and find our way again that counts. First of all, when did I say he 'single-handedly' brought the entire scene into disrepute? Of course there were other people mixed up in the scandal but he was identified as a key figure. If you think there was a big conspiracy theory by the guilty parties to place blame soley on savior, then you're welcome to believe whatever you want. I don't know of any evidence to support that idea or to completely dispel it. - "obviously if he didn't get involved with it, then someone else would have" Who is being the naive one now? As for your comments about savior's denial, it just shows what kind of a character he is. It wasn't just a reflexive denial but he continually deceived not only the public but those close to him. He should've come clean before his coach risked his reputation and job to defend him. Finally, I don't doubt that savior still genuinely loves the game. However, that is a different matter to whether he deserves a second chance. Don't forget, all the players implicated and found gulity were given life-time bans not just savior. I don't really know where your pity for him comes from but they were all given out equal sentences so I don't get why you're viewing savior as a victim. He just received more attention because of who he was and what he had achieved in the scene. And yes, everybody falls and it's how we get up that really matters but there are limits to how much you can shit on something and still be given an opportunity to redeem yourself. | ||
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