EPTi wanna how kor pro gamers' hotkey persent so high
how much is your average APM?
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AMD_STorM
China50 Posts
i wanna how kor pro gamers' hotkey persent so high | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
P user, 115 avg. sometimes gets up to 125 in a short game. | ||
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Tossim1
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AMD_STorM
China50 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
By the way this topic has been done to death | ||
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dronebabo
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oPtioNaLk
Korea (South)564 Posts
Usually around 180. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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blasian
United States180 Posts
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
P. | ||
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AutumnLight
Ukraine2488 Posts
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ShOoTiNg_SpElLs
Korea (South)690 Posts
When Toss, usually 150-200 and I don't play Zerg in 1v1's =P | ||
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
also lets correlate this with skill <-- 5-1 pgtour 1152 | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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on.sp33d
134 Posts
But interestingly enough, I do admit I reach peaks during the time when I'm most focused in SC, and lowest when I'm restarting to play SC after quitting SC (thanks to games like Pokemon, CS, Diablo II, WC3, Dragon Raja, RO, GB, PS2 games, school, etc.) but that doesn't mean much. =/ The most significant APM measurement would be between *major* battles and whether it's consistent with the rest of the APM rating... and ironically enough, players with superior micro skills or those who win the battle might have a lower APM than their opponent at that time (as for macro, it's really not necessary to smash "z" or whatever a hundred times... buildings have only so many queues, and you'll probably only want to queue two at most, unless you're wealthy). Oh, before the "hahastoopid u pobly only hvae 40mxa amp neway haha" starts, I have a game jsut barely over 11 minutes that has an average of 944 APM, 941 VAPM, and 1142 Max APM - more reasons on precisely why I think APM is BS. Or how about an observer having up to 2.5 times higher APM than the participants (which there's been increasing sightings of observers with insane APM rates). Or the possibility of having a mere, say 50 or so APM and beating a, say, a ladder finalist with 300+ APM? But that's just me. =) | ||
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AMD_STorM
China50 Posts
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
Highest Average: 298 Usual Average: 230+ | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
who fucking cares what a progamers apm is. who cares what your own is. lemme ask you this, lemme me ask you this....can you kick MY ass? | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:53 BigBalls wrote: yepim sick of this topic already who fucking cares what a progamers apm is. who cares what your own is. lemme ask you this, lemme me ask you this....can you kick MY ass? | ||
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on.sp33d
134 Posts
So, if anyone can reach as high or higher than their favorite pro's APM, would it be worth even half as much? =) | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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Twitt
United States733 Posts
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
Sometimes 90ish. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:56 hasuwar wrote: yep get some better taste in women before you even step up to the plate | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
the more important thing is how accurately you click and press. this has been stated many times yes? a lot of the actions that pro gamers do are useless clicking. | ||
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SiS
United States753 Posts
Heaven and Nada are about as fast as eachother [both 400 avg APM] Look how good Nada is and look how bad Heaven is :D | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
anything above that is useless clicks | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Varies from 150 to 220 (higher if short). | ||
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IA-Taiyoushin
United States33 Posts
On October 30 2004 22:29 RuGbUg wrote: my apm is 490 when im trying anything above that is useless clicks so are you saing that ur 490 has no useless clicks. reps? | ||
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SiS
United States753 Posts
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WaitForIt
United States22 Posts
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
On October 30 2004 22:31 IA-Taiyoushin wrote: there's no way you can play efficiently under 490 apm. but after 490 apm people are just spammingso are you saing that ur 490 has no useless clicks. reps? | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
there has been 10 topics of this before, may thy feel the Grim Reapers wrath. | ||
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SiS
United States753 Posts
Edit: I was being sarcastic, and yeah this should be closed :x | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:52 LasT[a2] wrote: Zerg user Highest Average: 298 Usual Average: 230+ haha he's telling the truth, freaking gosy koreans. | ||
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
This thread should be closed. | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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XellOs2yG
Korea (South)1 Post
Highest: 492 Usual: 300+ XellOs fighting~ | ||
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
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maVi
Germany542 Posts
PvZ: 150 TvP: 170 PvT: 140 | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
He [Xellos] seemed genuinely impressed, and I gave him my card, making him promise to come and post on the forum XellOs2yG are you the real Xellos? | ||
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N.sL)_CirCle
New Zealand478 Posts
I do feel alittle slow vs very good opponents but dont normally notice too much. my reactions are very fast, just dont constantly move my units, or select shit unless theres a point to it. | ||
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SiS
United States753 Posts
he cant speak english edit: and he also never shows interest in anything so I dont think he would end a post with "XellOs fighting" :O;; | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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SiS
United States753 Posts
doubt that ~_~;; or maybe it really is him who the hell knows :D | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
On October 30 2004 22:19 BigBalls wrote: I already ran up and took a shit on your plate! I like all kinds of women get some better taste in women before you even step up to the plate  | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
BTW my APM is around 110. | ||
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Bulgaria1353 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On October 30 2004 23:20 RuGbUg wrote: That wasn't exactly a lot of english though. A lot of people outside of the U.S. study english as a second language anyway, it's possible he knows some terms. Yeah, Koreans in Korea do study English so they can speak some of it on a basic level. He's: - From South Korea - Plays Terran - His name is XellOs2yG - His APM is looks to be around Xellos's APM - His post doesn't reflect alot of English. He post in a topic that doesn't require alot of understanding of English - His first post here, right after WCG ended and promising manifesto that he'd come post in the forums. (Xellos wouldn't lie would he?) It makes sense that Xellos would come post here right after he is eliminated from OSL because he has more free time unlike before when even he admitted in his interview that he had so little time to prepare for his matches vs Reach, which is exactly what seem to have happened. This all comes together to make alot of sense. But who knows...that might be or might not be the real Xellos | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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SiS
United States753 Posts
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
are you all really that naive | ||
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fw
Korea (South)1201 Posts
most of them hardly write on even his own cafe. | ||
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TH-GP
Australia226 Posts
games around 8-10min 150-160apm games longer than 10min 130-160apm | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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fw
Korea (South)1201 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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AmazingFlash
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
zvz 200 zvp 175 i dont know why i tend to do this, probably just my different style of play in these mu's kinda funny though.. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
Unless its islands, then its much slower i noticed t.T | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
APM is SO overrated though, I really hate when people measure skill by apm. | ||
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vanilica_scg
Yugoslavia137 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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[ErOs]~InCoGniTo
Italy513 Posts
Protoss Average 160-190 | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
i switched to an optical mouse now, only used ball mouse b4, so my apm was between 90-115. note, i dont game anymore, so it doesnt matter. edit- protoss user. | ||
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ggt
France58 Posts
recently i played a zerg which wasn't really good and i check the rep and he had 304 APM i was totally surprised but it didn't really know a good BO ^^ | ||
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T1_iloveSinky
China43 Posts
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WantMoreMuch
Vatican City State25 Posts
i think it doesnt really change anything after 190~200 | ||
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Bulgaria1353 Posts
On October 31 2004 02:12 WantMoreMuch wrote: t user with about 150 apm.. i think it doesnt really change anything after 190~200 the same to me average - 150-160 and i think you dont need more than 200 APM to beat oov | ||
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Methix
Canada187 Posts
I don't suppose that's too bad since I usually don't spam hotkeys or anything of the sort. Well I'm guilty of spamming in the first few minutes of the game due to boredom. When BWChart first came out I used to be fixated on obtaining a high APM. While in that stage it was unusual for me to be below 150, nothing special, but I wasn't really learning anything. I remember I used to have a pretty high null count then. I think my skill was in a downward spiral during that phase. APM outweighed my strategical thinking. After my little addiction to trying to obtain high APM I realized it really didn't mean that much and I started to try focusing on making efficient clicks and what not and I actually seemed to be improving. My mind seemed to be more at ease and I was making less mistakes. Not too long ago I annihilated a Zerg user who clearly didn't have the fundamentals of the game down. I checked out some stats in BWChart to discover he had an APM of 200+, I found that fairly funny. It's been said a thousand times before in this forum but APM definitely shouldn't mark your skill level. Sure most of the best players generally have 200+ APM but there's players out there with APM's below 200 that can still give them a run for their money. A good example would be Testie. | ||
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bio.dante
Czech Republic290 Posts
TvP- 200 TvZ- 220 | ||
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Radiohead
Norway201 Posts
based on 336 games average game duration in those games: 15:59 hotkeypercentage about 20-25%, (30-35% in tvz) I had this apm pre-bwchart too. Max-APM is absolutely totally USELESS. It varies from like 200 to 600 depending on what kind of curve you use (flat/dynamic), and those maxes are about always where u spam hotkeys, or where u press move desperately to save a unit or something. It doesn't have anything at all to do with speed/skills. If you want to get fast: FORGET ABOUT APM k? if anything, it probably slows u down. Instead, try to be effective when u play, and don't waste clicks. Thats what really make u faster. Skills > speed > apm > apm-max | ||
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ZyMotiC
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Pob
880 Posts
On October 30 2004 23:00 ahk-gosu wrote: my apm is only 150-170 and i macro perfectly fine and micro very well. 1 gateway for the first 20 minutes = macro well? not to mentioned 3k most of the game....lol never cease to evoke laughter from me dude | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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smth_puma
148 Posts
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fanta[Rn]
Japan2465 Posts
im really slow i know | ||
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Sopra Tutt1
Romania4 Posts
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
Here's my recent take on apm. It's useless to compare skill between players, but a good measure that you can use to judge how well *you* are playing in a given game. For example, if I get 200 apm in a tvz it probably means I played very well for myself. Or if I get 120 apm it means I probably sucked / played worse than my usual norm. But you can't extend this at all to comparing different players. | ||
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
been a while since i check, and i REALLY don't care. if you have enough clicks to do what you want to do, then that's fine. | ||
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Berg_zerg
Germany294 Posts
i am probably the slowest player on in this thread but i think its no problem for me to go 150 apm every game by clicking 4 times for every action. ( atm i am mostly clicking 1-2 times for an action.) yesterday i played a funny ZvsT. i went lurker/ling and he normal 2 rax academy. he went out with his m&m army, i flanked him with 3 lurks and 10 lings and game was over after 6 minutes I noticed that he just send his m&m towards my base in attack mode without looking at them. after the game he said that he was just buisy with his base and did not look after his m&m casue he thought they will not be attacked till they reach my sunkens. the guy had about 110 apm and me 97 apm. and i thought yeah ,well 110 apm for doing nothing than building m&m and few supply depots. 50 apm would have been enough to do the same^^ | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:09 blasian wrote: My average apm is like 125-130 without any useless clicks. In my opinion, i don't think anybody can go over 180 APM if they don't do any useless clicks. Wrong :O Try playing, say, PvZ then do 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 key to gateways, 123 for units and go attack while constantly setting 4 dragoon rally 5 zealot rally 6 templar rally etc all to where your army is, and you have to update the rally points non stop. That is WAY more than 180 apm | ||
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
Zerg: Was 250 now 220 ( same here ;( ) Protoss: Was 190 now 160 ( and again same here ;(((( ) | ||
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LogaiN
Sweden1073 Posts
P: Around 150 Z: Around 170 But, I suck =( | ||
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
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sm
Australia89 Posts
i think in tvz games apm goes up cause u gota manage m&m like a hoe against lurkers and also in zvz apm may be high cause of ling micro | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic933 Posts
Z 160-210 about T 190-250 about | ||
Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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DooMeR
United States1519 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:43 on.sp33d wrote: APM is BS IMHO, especially since now everyone is so focused on purposely raising their APM using logs and real-time APM charters. And everyone that knows about APM and believes in it have 200+ APM. And they usually suck (nothing impressive in beating people in the same old "tournament" maps with startegies ripped from pros). But that's just me. But interestingly enough, I do admit I reach peaks during the time when I'm most focused in SC, and lowest when I'm restarting to play SC after quitting SC (thanks to games like Pokemon, CS, Diablo II, WC3, Dragon Raja, RO, GB, PS2 games, school, etc.) but that doesn't mean much. =/ The most significant APM measurement would be between *major* battles and whether it's consistent with the rest of the APM rating... and ironically enough, players with superior micro skills or those who win the battle might have a lower APM than their opponent at that time (as for macro, it's really not necessary to smash "z" or whatever a hundred times... buildings have only so many queues, and you'll probably only want to queue two at most, unless you're wealthy). Oh, before the "hahastoopid u pobly only hvae 40mxa amp neway haha" starts, I have a game jsut barely over 11 minutes that has an average of 944 APM, 941 VAPM, and 1142 Max APM - more reasons on precisely why I think APM is BS. Or how about an observer having up to 2.5 times higher APM than the participants (which there's been increasing sightings of observers with insane APM rates). Or the possibility of having a mere, say 50 or so APM and beating a, say, a ladder finalist with 300+ APM? But that's just me. =) no 1 asked you, he just asked what is everyones apm. | ||
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IntoTheClanWar
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mellow0mellow2
United States24 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Frits
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GoGoGo[cF]
China545 Posts
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Geval
788 Posts
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
Average APM from WCG - 244. | ||
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Damned
Russian Federation36 Posts
APM distribution -> Hotkeys APM * Hotkeys = speed with which you move your mouse There is no player in the world which have more than 200 this characteristic 300 apm with 33% hotkeys = 400 apm with 50% hotkeys = 220 apm with 10% hotkeys = 200 | ||
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suxN
Finland1167 Posts
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On October 31 2004 08:28 Damned wrote: There is one more thing that you need to remember when you check apm =) APM distribution -> Hotkeys APM * Hotkeys = speed with which you move your mouse There is no player in the world which have more than 200 this characteristic 300 apm with 33% hotkeys = 400 apm with 50% hotkeys = 220 apm with 10% hotkeys = 200 Right, I have 198.8 in the game I mentioned. :D Hah,I see Xellos has 170 this way.I feel like the fastest player in the world. | ||
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GhostKiller
United States10 Posts
223 as Z 227 as T | ||
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MoooN
Germany402 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic933 Posts
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tree
United States591 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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Bladox
Canada763 Posts
In shorts intense game I go 200+ | ||
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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NsX
Poland1 Post
Normal = 280 - 310 | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On October 31 2004 12:37 z7-TranCe wrote: 103 Thank god your unparalleled tactical genius makes up for it | ||
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Prawned
United Kingdom794 Posts
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On October 31 2004 12:44 Prawned wrote: Around 60-70. Highest ever was 80 ROFL @ your name :D | ||
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
IMHO Apm means nothing but with 100 apm you are not able do some stuff like some nice constant harrass during major battle with constant macroing and microing that battle. And so on. | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
My regular games are 150ish. Sometimes lower. Sometimes higher. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On October 31 2004 12:56 gg_hertzz wrote: Without trying to get high APM, mine is (with all three races) somewhere between 170-210+. It's weird because I lose to people with lower APM all the time so I guess I need to work on my strategies better? Yep, imo, 150 apm is sufficient enough to try to do almost everything. Strategy is what is important. Nal_ra has relatively low apm (at least before), but can you not admire his plays? | ||
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
everyone should give an indication of their skill level when they tell their apm, im really curious about that. i am c- pgt right now | ||
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eccentric
Mozambique18 Posts
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
it doesnt matter so stupid | ||
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bill
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nG.Seed
Poland16 Posts
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USMCgamer
Korea (South)255 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
4~8% hotkeys zerg player | ||
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fenixdown
Colombia320 Posts
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Tnargav
Poland174 Posts
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Levu
Germany675 Posts
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Fedaykin
Netherlands2003 Posts
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
The focus should be to be more effective with you have, not trying as hard as you can to get your numbers up. I can't even begin to name off all of the players I've seen with rather high apms who were still nothing more than average skilled. | ||
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weedlover
Greece174 Posts
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DooMeR
United States1519 Posts
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2ndFoundation
Germany212 Posts
On November 01 2004 09:06 DooMeR wrote: i dont know what is stupider, people worring about APM, or people that CONSTANTLY repeat, "APM means nothing", honestly u both get on my nerves, just leave it alone T_T word! | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
|____________________________________________| | | I hopy I contributed something worthwhile to yet another useless apm topic. Thank you | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
Avg APM high was a 10 minute tvz game on neo gamei with 401. That won't ever happen again =/ And people who said "who cares?" and then flaming stuff, or people like the guy above me who despise apm threads, this isn't a thread where we're trying to prove how apm reflects skill or not. The creator just asked for the number. Lighten up a little. =/ | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
On November 01 2004 12:03 EAGER-beaver wrote: My apm is this much: |____________________________________________| | | I hopy I contributed something worthwhile to yet another useless apm topic. Thank you haha =] i agree these apm topics are pretty stupid | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
"size doesn't matter it's skills!!" haha | ||
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
On October 30 2004 21:00 oPtioNaLk wrote: Z User; 160-220 apm. Usually around 180. exact same here | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
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Empyrean
16992 Posts
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asticx
China100 Posts
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koit
United States450 Posts
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Jestics
United States21 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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dnaxmen
Australia124 Posts
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Detoxine
Poland37 Posts
Maybe somebody said something quite like Im going to say now, but I didn't follow the whole topic from the beginning. The main problem with APM is that many players trying to get as high as possible, but they are archiving this goal following wrong way. Some people try to remember, that they have to be fast during the whole game. Not only to increase the average APM, but they also follow the simple logic, that higher APM leads to victory. The result of such behavior is a game with really high APM, but full of stupid repetive-clics, or even more stupid selects (1,2,3,1,2,3), etc. If you wish to be faster, try another way. For start, try to make your APM as slow as it is possible. Try to reduce the amount of stupid clics. When you are sending a scouting peon click once on the target location. If you are trying to reach some raising builng with that peon click once near the location. I saw that many people clicks dozen times for a single move. It will increase your APM, but I won't make the peon go any faster. The same thing about any moves. Try to achieve as low APM is it is possible. Of course not by waiting a second between every gateway selection/goon build command, but reduction of unnececery clics. Just analize your games and find any redundant actions, that you could live without. When you achieve this not try to go be faster. Not by stupid repetition, but just make faster all things you already do. You can have APM like 200, but after removal of all stupid actions it may turns out, that you really are about 70. Not because you are slow, but because you waste your time on mindless clicks. Stupid moves give you 250 APM, but you will be owned by somebody with 150, who dont do crappy clicks. | ||
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GrooVe
Finland196 Posts
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
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SnoopySnacks
Tarsonis903 Posts
On November 02 2004 00:24 GrooVe wrote: Im protoss and about 200 apm but who cares? I can lost to ppl who have 60 apm. I would like the pro who would have 20 apm and he owns all. Why ppl think big apm is good? Lol.. I hope that was a joke. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
~110 with the other races. | ||
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XellOs_PlutO
Korea (South)166 Posts
gotta practice more.. ak.. | ||
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ImiOn
Mexico7 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
stop bringing it up ty | ||
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Hasse
Sweden579 Posts
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FY-Forever
China346 Posts
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wizard0115
China5 Posts
about 120 | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
Sometimes have 400+ When playing P ~330 When playing Z ~300 | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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vaj
Germany327 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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FA_ViPeR
Germany187 Posts
p 130-150 t 150-180 | ||
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
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DooMeR
United States1519 Posts
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