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Basically, I'm saying that for 98% of the posts about her, you can't actually take anything constructive out of them, the ones you can have already been stated before so if anythign she could improve on whats been said before but repeating it own't help.
Tasteless used to be a regular on teamliquid as far as my knowledge allows me to know, you will NEVER see him reply to any posts like these, even Artosis doesn't reply to comments anymore, only posts here when its a new thread of a video of his or something related to that.
The most constructive thing I can tell kelly is that she needs to stop posting on TL or on the sc2sea community site. There is no point in verbally responding to any of the posts, if theres something she wants to take from it she can do so but replying isn't necessary, as we've learned from all the major casters.
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United States32132 Posts
On February 22 2011 00:56 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I'm not saying 100% of everyone HATES her or anything but all threads like these do is plant the seed which manifests into unecessary ill-will towards someone who's just trying to do her best. Yes it might be hard to watch at first but come on, just enjoy the games and if it bothers you THAT much then mute it, turn on some music you enjoy, but don't start up so many threads because the more that exist the more hatred that just goes floating about this community, its just not productive for TL =\
trying your best is all that is asked for amateurs and volunteers. The bar's a little higher when it's a big ass company putting out a product that's inferior because one of it's employees isn't up to snuff.
Even if it were a 100% volunteer thing, constructive criticism, which is what 90% of what this stuff is, is completely necessary if there's any interest in improving the product.
I'm really not sure what you are getting at still. Do you feel this is some kind of anti Asian/women thing? The consumer doesn't always have a right to voice his/her opinion if other people have already been discussing it?? The only way things change is if people bitch in large numbers.
I still don't get why as a consumer, you feel it's ok to accept a product you acknowledge as being inferior because you can't understand her.
On February 22 2011 01:02 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Basically, I'm saying that for 98% of the posts about her, you can't actually take anything constructive out of them, the ones you can have already been stated before so if anythign she could improve on whats been said before but repeating it own't help.
What really needs to be said other than I can't understand her clearly?
I'm assuming you posted after I did, but repeating it lets the company know that it's a major issue with viewers and it removes her. The goal isn't to make her a better commentator. She's been casting for however long and it's not gonna magically change for this event.
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Is no one else finding it amusing that people are mad that we would dare mess with an equalizer for a stream we pay for? Thank you so much for this!
Do you get mad when people up the bass on Windows Media Player, too?
EDIT: Just noticed this is even a blog and you're being attacked, sigh.
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On February 22 2011 01:11 eight.BiT wrote:
Is no one else finding it amusing that people are mad that we would dare mess with an equalizer for a stream we pay for? Thank you so much for this!
Do you get mad when people up the bass on Windows Media Player, too?
Or when people try to filter out the sound of vuvuzelas in the World Cup
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On February 22 2011 00:58 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 00:51 Hawk wrote:On February 22 2011 00:27 ZlaSHeR wrote:On February 22 2011 00:21 Hawk wrote:On February 21 2011 23:12 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Becuase all it becomes is a bunch of people who, if they didn't read all these threads about kelly, wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon. no, all that did was speed up how fast people realized that she's quite hard to understand. you're seriously gonna tell me that if it was never announced and she just casted, people wouldn't have instantly hopped online and been like what the hell is this shit?? It's the same premise of one person taking a shit on someone and everyone following suit. Want an example? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7265836Hawk, I respect that you've been on here longer than me but this is just human psychology. One person says something, everyone else jumps the fuck on it. I'm not saying 100% of people wouldn't have said anything but I'll bet you a lot less say it if threads like these don't spawn in the first place. I too, think that kelly can be hard to understand for a lot of non-native english speakers, that doesn't mean that the right to shit on something that is a part of her should be in fair form. One person says a certain someone looks like a chipmunk, next thing you know 10 people jump on it and start divulging from that. You know what I'm talking about. It's the same shit every single time on these threads. On February 22 2011 00:23 Bambipwnsu wrote:
This is along the same lines as posting a thread about how to black out someone's face because you find them too ugly and saying it is a legitimate problem that needs to be fixed. Extremely disrespectful. I agree. As a friend of mine puts it, its like something thats straight out of Mean Girls. of course there's some bandwagoning involved, people love drama. this has nothing to do with how low my e-wang hangs. I think you're out of your mind if there wouldn't be similar outrage if there was no announcement and the event just took place with her casting. You even admit that the caster—a person paid for the sole purpose of verbally describing the action and interpreting it for the masses—is quite difficult to understand. Most of the criticism was fair and focused on her voice. There was, of course, a few uninspired back to the kitchen comments and stuff, but the focus was on her inability to speak english properly and supposedly her lack of knowledge (which i admittedly know nothing about so I pass on that) and peanut is well known as a giant attention whore and that blog was dumb as shit, so it's probably not the best example of unmerited bandwagoning. Yeah, I mean posts that are constructive, to me, are things saying THIS is how you can improve and make it more enjoyable but when everyone says the same thing "WOW her voice is so annoying, what is she talking about, i can' tunderstand her, she sucks at this stuff, blah blah" you hear that 200 times and it becomes no more helpful.
When the ultimate goal of these kinds of posters are to get kelly replaced by someone they can understand, their posts are arguably constructive in trying to get her replaced. I mean, no amount of constructive critiquing will take away her accent; the general approach to "fixing" that is to make enough ruckus to get her replaced. Do you have a better alternative?
EDIT: And in the case of this thread in particular, there are posters who have expressed both appreciation for Kelly's insight and for the method outlined in this thread, as her voice is still an issue. Again, what exactly is wrong with this?
EDIT2: If you're contending the job of the TL posters is to make an environment where everybody, including Kelly, feels warm and fuzzy and liked, then that is a personal view of yours; your view of what TL should be seems to be a minority view.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On February 22 2011 01:02 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Basically, I'm saying that for 98% of the posts about her, you can't actually take anything constructive out of them, the ones you can have already been stated before so if anythign she could improve on whats been said before but repeating it own't help.
While I generally agree with what you're saying, one thing the repetition does is show the magnitude of the problem. Taking away that unhelpful 98% of posts would certainly make the threads more palatable. However, GOM might just look at that and think "oh it's just a few people who don't like it, no big deal". The massive amount of negative posts is what shows that it IS a problem.
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If you don't like something, if something doesn't sound good to your ears, then it doesn't sound good to your ears, I don't really understand how to explain it better. Like do you know that some people live by heavy metal and some people only listen to country music? Some sounds can soothe peoples ears and some can disrupt their whole body.
If equalizing her voice a bit makes your ears hurt less then why all the rage? Why be offended? Not everyone is made perfect.
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On February 21 2011 23:12 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Becuase all it becomes is a bunch of people who, if they didn't read all these threads about kelly, wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon. You guys would have just listened to the casts, and a much smaller percentage of people would be bitching about it.
These are the same thousands of people who tune in to watch Destiny orgasm when he gets a couple of baneling mines off and trolling about, you're trying to tell me that all of them would have had a legitimate concern from the get go? thats just not going to be the case.
You guys are bashing somebodys voice, thats one hell of a low blow to just constantly go after something that is a part of the person. What do you mean she shouldn't take offense? If this shit were about you and you read 20+ people saying LOL THIS IS SUCH A GREAT FIX LOOOL TY, that you wouldn't take offense to that? The amount of backseat driving that goes on in these threads about kelly is getting to be pretty obscene.
Hey ever watch American Idol? Not everyone has a "singing voice". As a matter of fact, some people have terrible voices, yet people try out anyway. If her voice makes it difficult to enjoy the cast than she doest have a "casting voice".
I do not have any opinion on her since Ive never heard her cast. My point is, that if people dont enjoy her voice than so what? I can think of many different casters who I dont enjoy listening too. Personally I dont like HD, or the glhf.tv guys. But thats my opinion. And If paying customers dont like something, rather than unsubscribing, choose to make a change.
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Braavos36399 Posts
This thread is inappropriate, even if you are trying to "help".
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