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No poll is legitimate without including the candidates most deserving of being nominated through their own hard work and those who have proven themselves through their accomplishments in tournaments. Bad manner is not part of the criteria when we speak of skill, talent and accomplishments. Skill and tournament placings are the only important criteria for polls of "Best player of ____ year. Leaving out a player due to petty, insignificant issues reflects poorly on gg.net as an organization. I abstain from voting in a farce of a poll and what is worse is that the eventual winner's glory will be tainted with the "Oh he won because ____ Player was not in the poll". How shameful to throw mud over the winner's honorary moment.
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On January 03 2011 17:25 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 17:21 sc2lime wrote:On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:
No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.
Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways. On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award". For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage. I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that You are also an idiot and your logic is stupid. Savior did that whole match-fixing scandal but you can't deny that at one point, he was a bonjwa. Just because Idra may seem bad-mannered, you can't deny his skill that some people believe qualifies him to this "award". yes, your argumenst own. "You are an idiot, your arguments are stupid, cool."-standard posting gotta say lately. I'm not saying cheating and BM is the same. I'm saying if organizers witheld the right to exclude players for bad behaviour be that ignorance towards rule, BM, cheating, arrogance, whatever, they are justified to do so. If you accept Dimaga not participating in TSL3 sc2, for breaking the rules in a BW event a year ago, because it's the rule of the organizers, and you dont accept Idra getting excluded for being disrespectful and bm in a show-tournament because that's how the organizers ruled, your logic is flown imo.
We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners.
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On January 03 2011 17:35 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 17:25 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 17:21 sc2lime wrote:On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:
No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.
Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways. On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award". For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage. I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that You are also an idiot and your logic is stupid. Savior did that whole match-fixing scandal but you can't deny that at one point, he was a bonjwa. Just because Idra may seem bad-mannered, you can't deny his skill that some people believe qualifies him to this "award". yes, your argumenst own. "You are an idiot, your arguments are stupid, cool."-standard posting gotta say lately. I'm not saying cheating and BM is the same. I'm saying if organizers witheld the right to exclude players for bad behaviour be that ignorance towards rule, BM, cheating, arrogance, whatever, they are justified to do so. If you accept Dimaga not participating in TSL3 sc2, for breaking the rules in a BW event a year ago, because it's the rule of the organizers, and you dont accept Idra getting excluded for being disrespectful and bm in a show-tournament because that's how the organizers ruled, your logic is flown imo. We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners.
you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it.
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This poll has absolutely no legitimacy or merit. In fact, this is nothing more than a watered-down popularity contest.
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On January 03 2011 17:35 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 17:25 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 17:21 sc2lime wrote:On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:
No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.
Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways. On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award". For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage. I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that You are also an idiot and your logic is stupid. Savior did that whole match-fixing scandal but you can't deny that at one point, he was a bonjwa. Just because Idra may seem bad-mannered, you can't deny his skill that some people believe qualifies him to this "award". yes, your argumenst own. "You are an idiot, your arguments are stupid, cool."-standard posting gotta say lately. I'm not saying cheating and BM is the same. I'm saying if organizers witheld the right to exclude players for bad behaviour be that ignorance towards rule, BM, cheating, arrogance, whatever, they are justified to do so. If you accept Dimaga not participating in TSL3 sc2, for breaking the rules in a BW event a year ago, because it's the rule of the organizers, and you dont accept Idra getting excluded for being disrespectful and bm in a show-tournament because that's how the organizers ruled, your logic is flown imo. We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners.
where are people getting the "Best Player of the year" award from?
It's "GosuGamers Awards 2010: Best Non-Korean of the Year"
Technically I might also be a candidate for nomination as I'm non-korean and did a lot of good things in 2010 like picking up trash and helping old ppl across the street.
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On January 03 2011 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 17:35 Alpina wrote:On January 03 2011 17:25 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 17:21 sc2lime wrote:On January 03 2011 17:17 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 03 2011 15:07 FuryX wrote:
No Sen either....aside from Huk, everyone on the list is European.
Idk what list you look at, what you linked has Fenix, Qxc, Huk as non-europeans. Chineese were considered non-foreigners in BW, probably that's the reason, or that Sen didnt win anything, he did very well and i like him, but objectively i might not include him in a top 10 of the years anyways. On January 03 2011 15:21 Kennigit wrote:
Sorry, if you don't include one of the most accomplished players of the entire year because he was BM then your award has zero credibility imo. How can you call an award "Best Non-Korean" and then include reasoning that has nothing to do with his merit, skill or accomplishments...Call it "The All Round Nice Guy And Decent Player Award". For those defending Idra, i totally can understand throwing him off from the list. Bad behaviour can get you banned/excluded from tournaments and leauges, why couldnt it get you excluded from a reviewing article? I'm especially surprised TL admins posting in Idra's defence, you banned players like Dimaga for a small (and somewhat explainable) cheat in a BW event for a long time from every TL event. It's the same logic.When Naniwa gets his ass banned from ESL and whatnot for bad behaviour, most of TL is like, yeah, totally deserved it, Idra getting excluded from a symbolic power ranking, or what should i call it, causes outrage. I love Idra, i think he's the best foreigner skil-wise, i wanted to state that You are also an idiot and your logic is stupid. Savior did that whole match-fixing scandal but you can't deny that at one point, he was a bonjwa. Just because Idra may seem bad-mannered, you can't deny his skill that some people believe qualifies him to this "award". yes, your argumenst own. "You are an idiot, your arguments are stupid, cool."-standard posting gotta say lately. I'm not saying cheating and BM is the same. I'm saying if organizers witheld the right to exclude players for bad behaviour be that ignorance towards rule, BM, cheating, arrogance, whatever, they are justified to do so. If you accept Dimaga not participating in TSL3 sc2, for breaking the rules in a BW event a year ago, because it's the rule of the organizers, and you dont accept Idra getting excluded for being disrespectful and bm in a show-tournament because that's how the organizers ruled, your logic is flown imo. We are talking about being excluded from "Best Player of the year" award - this has nothing to do with being excluded from some kind of tourney. You can't make "best player" award based on manners. you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it.
They turned an award which could've been a closely fought contest between idra/jinro/whoever with the winner of said poll having something they could put on their list of tournaments won into a farce because they were too pig headed to add idra. was that REALLY a good idea? universal ranking or not
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On January 03 2011 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it.
It must be because English is most likely not your first language but "Best Non-Korean" means Best Non-Korean. And yes you are right, it is their site. It is their right to make whatever joke of a poll they so please.
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lolling so hard at the new title for this thread.
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Who cares? It's their site and their award. Renaming this thread was dumb.
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Holy shit Idra they took you off a poll and won't let you join in on their games! THEY SURE SHOWED YOU!
Maybe I can get you into a game of red rover, but don't expect me to call you over.
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On January 03 2011 17:48 sc2lime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 17:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
you can because it's not an absolute and universal ranking, you can percieve "best" in different ways, and "foreigner" too, exluding/including Chineese. It's organized by 1 site, they PICK 10 players based on different things, which is mostly performance, not 100%. If you dont like it that's fine, but saying they shouldn't do that, wtf, make your own site and have a poll there with Idra on it. It must be because English is most likely not your first language but "Best Non-Korean" means Best Non-Korean. And yes you are right, it is their site. It is their right to make whatever joke of a poll they so please.
ok, i apologize, i thought it was "foreigner", my bad, but it doesn't change much.
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MorroW, even though I wanted to vote for HuK.
If MorroW hadn't switched to zerg, he could have done even more...
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pretty dumb that they didn't include idra just because he's bad mannered, huk is bad mannered but he just goes about it differently.
also kind of stupid that they include players like morrow and naama, tarson, and fenix, but exclude players like sen, ret, incontrol, kiwikaki, machine, nony, or even bratok... who the hell picked these players anyway?
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rather than boycotting, just vote for someone you think absolutely should not win like tarson or fenix (no offense but they're no where near the best). they win, their poll looks stupid saying 'tarson best non korean in the world', and gg. their poll = joke.
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no, because thankfully the best player IS there, jinro. well, except for idra.
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even if u could votte for idra do u really think he'd beat jinro in the poll? and idra was NOT banned from ggnet mayb for sc1 but they clearly state he was banned after wasting their time in the tourny
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On January 03 2011 18:05 Regime wrote:
even if u could votte for idra do u really think he'd beat jinro in the poll? and idra was NOT banned from ggnet mayb for sc1 but they clearly state he was banned after wasting their time in the tourny
But his ban history shows he was perm banned 2 years ago. So they clearly state something that is false to mislead the public. Awesome job GGnet. And yes, i do think idra would beat jinro, because its a "of the year" award, not an "of the last month or two" award. Idra has been stomping face since the beta started, jinro flowered just recently. It'd be a close poll, but i think idra would take it.
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On January 03 2011 17:59 arew wrote:
MorroW, even though I wanted to vote for HuK.
If MorroW hadn't switched to zerg, he could have done even more...
To bad he fell to community tears.
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Love the name of the thread :D
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Unbelievable none of you guys have bothered to look for an explanation from gosugamers and judge them so easily nonetheless.
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