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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
November 18 2010 00:54 GMT
#41
[/QUOTE]
So like Colossih?
Don't tell me the koreans will be correct with the like
AAAAH COLOSSIH COLOSSIH COLOSSIH COLOSSU YAAA KAWASAMIDA[/QUOTE]

Why all the arguments? This is clearly the only comment of importance. LOL to you sir, good line
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Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
November 18 2010 00:55 GMT
#42
The real question, does it even really matter? You can say Colossus for 2+ Colossi and still be correct. People always nitpicking this shit when they're not even 100% correct either.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
November 18 2010 00:56 GMT
#43
i vote for all canadians to start pronoucing it coloss-eh!
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Dirich
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy101 Posts
November 18 2010 01:05 GMT
#44
On November 18 2010 09:55 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
The real question, does it even really matter? You can say Colossus for 2+ Colossi and still be correct. People always nitpicking this shit when they're not even 100% correct either.


First of all, you may not care, but it seems casters do care for this (and also some other people since someone did reply to this in a costructive way).

Second of all, I am 100% correct in what I'm saying. As a latin words it is read the way I wrote.

Third, according to the research made on online dictionaries by other posters it seems Colossus, as an english word, has a plural form (either one or both of Colossi and Colossuses). Which usually implies that it is not correct to use the singluar term for a group of more than 1 (in 4 language I studied, the only cases that allow that are words with no plural and ignorance from the speaker).
So, I am quite interested in a source to confirm the "2 Colossus is correct" line, because it would be an interesting special case.
smokeyhoodoo
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1021 Posts
November 18 2010 01:05 GMT
#45
On November 18 2010 09:53 Dirich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 09:45 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:05 Bear4188 wrote:
It's not Latin, it's English. Just because English takes roots from Latin doesn't meant he pronunciation goes unchanged.

Radii, alumni, prospecti, foci are all pronounced with a long i in (American) English.



Actually English roots from proto-germanic. There are latin influences for various historical reasons but it is not a latin language.


The way we learned it, english has roots in proto-germanic and latin (because of the roman domination over the southern part of the island).
Altough here in Italy we may be probably not the best suited for an impartial judgment, I am surely suited to judge the fact that half the words in english have latin roots. Infact a common "joke" here in Italy is that if you wanna speak english you just add an "s" at the end of any italian word you pronounce.


That's incorrect because the Angles (who speak Anglish) weren't in britain at that time. They were in Germany, and their language untouched by Latin. Latin influence comes later, and mostly from French. As a result, English has a lot of Latin vocabulary, but none if its grammar or structure is like Latin.
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Dirich
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy101 Posts
November 18 2010 01:16 GMT
#46
On November 18 2010 10:05 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 09:53 Dirich wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:45 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:05 Bear4188 wrote:
It's not Latin, it's English. Just because English takes roots from Latin doesn't meant he pronunciation goes unchanged.

Radii, alumni, prospecti, foci are all pronounced with a long i in (American) English.



Actually English roots from proto-germanic. There are latin influences for various historical reasons but it is not a latin language.


The way we learned it, english has roots in proto-germanic and latin (because of the roman domination over the southern part of the island).
Altough here in Italy we may be probably not the best suited for an impartial judgment, I am surely suited to judge the fact that half the words in english have latin roots. Infact a common "joke" here in Italy is that if you wanna speak english you just add an "s" at the end of any italian word you pronounce.


That's incorrect because the Angles (who speak Anglish) weren't in britain at that time. They were in Germany, and their language untouched by Latin. Latin influence comes later, and mostly from French. As a result, English has a lot of Latin vocabulary, but none if its grammar or structure is like Latin.


Mmmh my bad, I assumed by proto-german you meant something else (actually, I was told the other influence came from people from the north part of europe, norther than germany).
Altough romans did conquer Germany too (or part of it at least), and even if when I studied german (only 2 years, but mostly at pre-high school level) I found the structure and grammar of that language was a bit similar to latin, in my opinion, you seem to know more than me about the "timeline" of the evolution of english, so I guess I'll trust you (I do not fully trust my memory on this matter anyway), since I totally agree on the fact that english grammar and structure are alien to latin.
5ahj4g
Profile Joined August 2010
72 Posts
November 18 2010 01:27 GMT
#47
if only casters casted in latin - then this thread would have a purpose
Dirich
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy101 Posts
November 18 2010 01:37 GMT
#48
On November 18 2010 10:27 5ahj4g wrote:
if only casters casted in latin - then this thread would have a purpose


You don't need to cast in latin to properly read a latin word. I thought Blizzard used the latin word to name the Colossus, thus the thread made sense.

It has been brought up that there also is an english-assimilated version of Colossus, but nevertheless, unless Blizzard speaks on the matter, we (each one of us) are free to choose the language we prefear to read "Colossi", and altough I do prefear Coloss-eye, the thread is still informative for those who prefear the latin version (since, judging by the kind of names people give to their guilds in MMORPGs etc, it seems latin is considered a cool language to name things).
smokeyhoodoo
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1021 Posts
November 18 2010 01:38 GMT
#49
On November 18 2010 10:16 Dirich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:05 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:53 Dirich wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:45 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On November 18 2010 09:05 Bear4188 wrote:
It's not Latin, it's English. Just because English takes roots from Latin doesn't meant he pronunciation goes unchanged.

Radii, alumni, prospecti, foci are all pronounced with a long i in (American) English.



Actually English roots from proto-germanic. There are latin influences for various historical reasons but it is not a latin language.


The way we learned it, english has roots in proto-germanic and latin (because of the roman domination over the southern part of the island).
Altough here in Italy we may be probably not the best suited for an impartial judgment, I am surely suited to judge the fact that half the words in english have latin roots. Infact a common "joke" here in Italy is that if you wanna speak english you just add an "s" at the end of any italian word you pronounce.


That's incorrect because the Angles (who speak Anglish) weren't in britain at that time. They were in Germany, and their language untouched by Latin. Latin influence comes later, and mostly from French. As a result, English has a lot of Latin vocabulary, but none if its grammar or structure is like Latin.


Mmmh my bad, I assumed by proto-german you meant something else (actually, I was told the other influence came from people from the north part of europe, norther than germany).
Altough romans did conquer Germany too (or part of it at least), and even if when I studied german (only 2 years, but mostly at pre-high school level) I found the structure and grammar of that language was a bit similar to latin, in my opinion, you seem to know more than me about the "timeline" of the evolution of english, so I guess I'll trust you (I do not fully trust my memory on this matter anyway), since I totally agree on the fact that english grammar and structure are alien to latin.


No, you're right, proto-germanic was spoken in denmark, sweden, and norway.
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SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
November 18 2010 01:40 GMT
#50
As far as I'm concerned the only pronunciation should be the correct English one - Colossus refers to the singular and since it ends in s, nothing need to be done. 'Check out that Colossus (one)' and 'Check out those Colossus (many)' are both grammatically correct. I'm not sure why the use of the Latin pluralization has become popular, but it really is unnecessary. Just say Colossus to refer to both a group and a lone one, no one is going to get confused. In-fact the use of an outdated pluralization is causing more confusion than anything else.
i-bonjwa
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
November 18 2010 01:41 GMT
#51
you say tomat-oh i say tomat-ah

who gives a shit?
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
November 18 2010 01:43 GMT
#52
Octopus = Octopusses

I assume Colossus -> Colossuses
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Castles
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada77 Posts
November 18 2010 01:43 GMT
#53
On November 18 2010 08:59 Dirich wrote:
First of all, I hope I am posting in the right section, if not I hope the mods will be so nice to move it to the proper board without sending me 200 supplies of speedlings to punish my error.

I watch every dayly from day9 and sometimes I watch some cast from HD and Husky (not to speak about tastosis @ gsl or co-casters of day9 during MLGs and such). It seems everyone is unsure about to pronounce "Colossi".

First of all, it seems that most of the casters use the term "Colossi" when they are talking about more than one Colossus. Now, that's exactly how ancient latin works: 1 Colossus, 2 or more Colossi.

So, since it seems we are talking "latin", the exact pronounciation of Colossi is not Coloss-"i", but Coloss-"e". Where by "e" and "i" I meant the way you pronounce those vowels when you list the alphabet.
Also, the "e" is short, not long. So the sound is like the sound of the "i" in fish, and not like the "ee" in tree.



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Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
November 18 2010 01:45 GMT
#54
I don't really understand why it's such a big deal. Regardless of how they say it you're going to know exactly what their talking about.
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
November 18 2010 01:45 GMT
#55
On November 18 2010 10:43 Achilles wrote:
Octopus = Octopusses

I assume Colossus -> Colossuses


Octopuses is one of many exceptions in English, Colossuses is not a word, while Octopuses is. Its simply just Colossus.
i-bonjwa
salsaPOUND
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia24 Posts
November 18 2010 01:45 GMT
#56
I just wish the whole "Colloxen" thing would go away...
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
November 18 2010 01:45 GMT
#57
On November 18 2010 10:43 Achilles wrote:
Octopus = Octopusses

I assume Colossus -> Colossuses

Actually, it's octopodes.
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5ahj4g
Profile Joined August 2010
72 Posts
November 18 2010 01:46 GMT
#58
On November 18 2010 10:37 Dirich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:27 5ahj4g wrote:
if only casters casted in latin - then this thread would have a purpose


You don't need to cast in latin to properly read a latin word. I thought Blizzard used the latin word to name the Colossus, thus the thread made sense.

It has been brought up that there also is an english-assimilated version of Colossus, but nevertheless, unless Blizzard speaks on the matter, we (each one of us) are free to choose the language we prefear to read "Colossi", and altough I do prefear Coloss-eye, the thread is still informative for those who prefear the latin version (since, judging by the kind of names people give to their guilds in MMORPGs etc, it seems latin is considered a cool language to name things).


wait so you were completely unaware of the english word "Colossus", and thought blizzard decided to pick a latin word to use in their game?

my apologies. perhaps you should have looked up the word before making this thread...
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
November 18 2010 01:47 GMT
#59
I've never seen anyone saying, for example, zeitgeist being told that it needs to be pronounced with a 'ts'. Or if someone says a name in Chinese, no one says anything about the correct Chinese pronunciation.
It's always Latin or Greek.
pxds
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil72 Posts
November 18 2010 01:47 GMT
#60
On November 18 2010 09:36 Honeybadger wrote:
Octopus.

(all of these are acceptable plurals according to the people who write miriam webster)

Octopuses

Octopi

octopods

Octopodes


Colossus -> Colossopodes?
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