Cheerleader Removed for Not Cheering her Rapist - Page 6

On October 28 2010 00:57 Krigwin wrote:
I don't think you guys understand. This man plays football. Do you know what that means in Texas? He might as well be wrapped in the flag with the Ten Commandments tattooed onto his forehead. Football athletes contribute so much to our society - football, their dashing good looks, more football. What do rape victims contribute? Nothing. They just cost society money when they think they're entitled to such things as a "trial" and "rape victim counseling" (damn entitlements!).

But seriously, "he had not been convicted of anything yet!" is not a valid argument for why he was still allowed to be on the team, much less even remain at the school. Do you know what happens to, say, a teacher who gets charged with molestation or a doctor who gets charged with rape? Forget if they actually did it or not, they lose their jobs, even if the trial ends in their favor and they get to keep their licenses, their reputation is forever tarnished and they're never going to get a job in that field again. People lose their jobs everyday over false allegations (or even threats of false allegations) and there are countless people who served prison terms or are serving prison terms right now for rape that later DNA evidence exonerates them of. This silly favoritism we have in the US towards athletes is ludicrous and disgusting. And it doesn't even end at leniency towards the perpetrators - now we're punishing the victim? "Don't go to homecoming"? That is just sickening.

On October 28 2010 00:57 thehitman wrote:
If he isn't convicted doesn't that make him innocent? So basically he may not even raped her and she is mad at him for having sex with her and then dumping her and not wanting to cheer for him.

If there is more information about the legal processes and verdicts I would like to re-examine my view, but really who can tell if she really got raped or not, especially if the court overthrown his charges of rape.

It may not be the most humane thing to do, to throw the girl out of the cheerleading team for not cheering her possible rapist, but its not against the law.

On October 28 2010 01:05 zerglingsfolife wrote:
He was only allowed back into school once the Grand Jury failed to indict him. Do you think that is unfair?

On October 28 2010 01:07 Krigwin wrote:


Sure, he could be innocent - except he fled through a window and left clothes behind when other people tried to get into the bathroom and then later plead guilty to the charges.

Now, I suppose it could've been possible he was stripping down to his underwear and physically restrained her to have some tea and a civilized discussion about globalization and how it will affect future generations, but why flee if that's the case? I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain this one to me.

Also, the charges were not thrown out - they were withdrawn, most likely because this is Texas and we can't afford to tarnish a football athlete's reputation with something silly and insignificant like a rape charge.

On October 28 2010 01:17 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Those were all allegations at the time. This meant they may not have been true.

After he plead guilty he wasn't allowed back in school.

If you want a plausible scenario for why he would flee.

1) He is black, let's assume the girl is white (likely). In small towns in the south, it is still somewhat taboo. Jealous white guy hears them having sex in the bathroom or whatever, and they are beating down the door to beat him up so he runs.

2)She has a boyfriend and is cheating on him. Boyfriend hears she is cheating on him, rallies his friends to the party and say they are going to kick his ass. He flees through the window.

Also, at what point would you allow him back to school if he isn't convicted?

On October 28 2010 01:38 Treemonkeys wrote:
I've almost been hit harder than this kid for TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS!

...and it's not even that they went easy on him because the evidence was questionable, he fucking pled guilty!

On October 28 2010 01:46 Haemonculus wrote:

That's exactly what's got me so upset. Sexual assault should seriously have some harsher consequences than minor drug violations... T_T

On October 28 2010 01:51 selboN wrote:
This piece of shit got 2 years of probation and a fucking 2500 fine? Fuck that.

On October 28 2010 01:34 Krigwin wrote:


As I just stated, greater men lose their jobs and even careers over allegations, even just false allegations. Legal favoritism is not acceptable.

As for your preposterous Law and Order SVU (post season 7 of course) scenarios: okay, so they were hooking up in the bathroom and the guy fled to avoid getting mobbed or something. Why was there another guy in the bathroom then? Why did he threaten to shoot the homeowner? Why did he have to physically restrain the girl? Why would she later provide testimony to all of this (in true L&O:SVU fashion, I'm guessing you're going to say to hide the relationship or something completely ridiculous)? And how does that excuse the school punishing the girl instead?

And what point would I allow him back at the school? Good question. I would allow him back at the school if he had an entire trial and was proven innocent and the girl was later brought up on charges of filing false sexual assault charges.

On October 28 2010 01:50 Ferrose wrote:
First off, judges are elected by voters, not appointed. At least, that's how it works in Michigan. In Texas they're probably chosen by God or something.

And pleading guilty is usually a mitigating factor during sentencing. Not saying I agree with it, but that's usually how it works from what I know.

On October 28 2010 02:01 Ferrose wrote:
I said I wasn't agreeing with it, didn't I? It is totally wrong, and needs to be fixed. Last year, I went with my parents when they voted, and for the judge elections, it literally said "Vote for eighteen choices." And guess how many candidates there were? Seventeen. So everyone got elected, no matter how corrupt they were. : /

On October 28 2010 01:53 zerglingsfolife wrote:
I don't agree with the school punishing the girl.
We can also make up stories all day to fit the allegations.

I'm just trying to state that the school faces some tough decisions into if/when they accept him back(and he is innocent). Especially because false reports of rape are such a problem. Wikipedia suggests false reports of rape are at about 10%. This not only hurts the accused like you were saying, but it causes people to question whether or not legitimate victims were actually raped. If you were in charge( and he was innocent), he probably doesn't graduate with his friends from his high school on time. Either way it sucks.