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On September 06 2010 12:12 Floophead_III wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:24 Manifesto7 wrote:On September 06 2010 11:19 RodrigoX wrote:On September 06 2010 11:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
Or you could just look at the supply count of the player, which is a much more accurate way of determining when things happen in game. Really? Thats like...... That doesnt make sense sir. Mod. The reason that doesnt make sense, because if your watching a cast, how do you when he gets that X supply? You need to know the times to compare it to your own builds. Yeah supply is part of that, but thats only after you know the time. You cant know, when you have 30 food, the T has X food unless you know the time you have 30 food, so you can see at that time you have 30 food, he has X food. You cant tell anything through food, unless you know the times things happen. There is no way a regular player can get to the same spot in the same time as a pro player. So, if you think "pro player moves out at 6:30, I should too" you aren't going to be in the same game position. He will have 40 units and you will have 30. But, if you say "pro player moves out at 90 food, I will too" you will be. From that point on it is up to you to get to that 90 food as fast as possible. That is mechanics though, not strategy. If the caster leaves the supply bar up, or if he clicks on a player's unit, you can see the food. It is right there in the top corner, you can't miss it. -(Aassuming he is in a replay, if he isn't then this whole thread is moot anyway). And yeah I completely agree with the OP. Ive PMd day9 about 3 times about this subject. Yeah I bet he loves that. No. You're very wrong dude. Anyone with decent mechanics (D+ level on iccup or even worse) can run basically a perfect timing attack down to the second.
Sorry dude, but if you think someone on D+ is getting to the same place at the same time that an A player is getting, you don't know a damn thing about StarCraft. I am not talking about a 9 pool here...
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On September 06 2010 13:12 RodrigoX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 12:59 piegasm wrote:On September 06 2010 12:39 RodrigoX wrote:On September 06 2010 12:23 piegasm wrote:On September 06 2010 12:17 RodrigoX wrote:But Im not talking about copying a build order. I mean the reason I watch Day9, or Psy, or just watch pro replays in general, is not to only get ideas, but to know whats out there, and see what players could do against me in the ladder or in a tournament. And after I know, I can adequately prepare for it. On September 06 2010 12:17 SubtleArt wrote:
"Sup guys, so like, I have a complaint that no1 else has could you please change all ur vids for me cause thats liek reasonable and not narcissistic of me?"
How about see the food count, that's usually a better indicator of relative timings anyway. Why does everyone seem to miss the point? What people are saying is that the time is ultimately irrelevant except as a yardstick so you can see your improvement. Quickness comes from repetition, not from trying to have 80 supply in X minutes. As you repeat the build order, you will gradually do it more and more quickly and you'll eventually have 80 supply in X minutes, regardless of whether you ever know the value of X. Leaving that aside, just watch other replays. It's not reasonable to ask casters to change how they broadcast to suit your desire to know the time when you have nearly unlimited options for watching replays without imposing upon anyone. ????? Did you read what I wrote? I am not talking about copying a build order. Okay granted thats the main focus is, but its really not for some people. Like lets say Day9 is doing a TvP focusing on the T. Your a protoss, what you would get from this cast, is being aware of this fancy T push. But you cant do anything with said information because you cant compare it your build unless you are doing math via the youtube/blip whatever time bar which is just ridiculous. I mean if your a T you could totally make use of the video without the time. But for the Protoss player it means absolutely nothing say for entertainment value. I mean that point aside, for a strategical cast, does it even matter if the time is showing or not? I mean its not like Day9's main goal is to entertain. He even says at the beginning of the cast, "The Day9 daily, where you can become a better gamer". Well why not let players make the most out of the daily? Like Im a zerg and Idra does this uber fancy thing winning him the game vs Strelok. But strelok does this amazing timing push that I am not sure I can handle. So I note the time he pushes, his units, upgrades, food whatever. And then through the time, I compare it to what I have when he pushes. I. Know. You're. Not. Copying. A. Build. Order. You describe getting beaten because your opponent had 80 food at a point in time where you had 70, correct? So you want to have 80 or more food in the same length of time. You don't actually need to know that length of time in order to hit 80 food in that time. You have to build faster. You build faster by repetition of your build order (which you are not, in fact, copying...yes we heard you), not by trying to get there in a specific amount of time. You don't need to know the time in order to beat the time. When an athlete runs a race, he's not trying to cross the finish line in X amount of time. He's trying to cross it as quickly as he can. AND...all of this is moot because there are THOUSANDS of replays you can download and watch in order to compare the times at which both players hit supply milestones, not to mention your own replays. You're not dependent on watching videos on Youtube. What Day9's main goal is, is for Day9 to decide, not you. Day9 reckons he values not spoiling the game above showing the time for the people who may want it. So get your information somewhere other than Day9. You might have a valid point if Day9 was the only source of the information you wanted. As to the first paragraph: The whole point is realizing what you need to do. Granted, building faster may be your solution. Whatever you need to do, really doesnt matter. The whole point is realizing you need to do something. Of course the other application is what I detailed to mOnion in where you learn something like a spire timing. As to the second: What?!?! Im not dependent on just watching Day9 and Youtube??? Gaspgaspgasp. Yes I realize this. Of course I realize this. I (and I assume the OP) dont see why you cant have the replay timer open, so we could possibly learn/get more out of the cast. I also realize that Day9's intention is Day9's intention. But can we dont make a thread trying to give constructive critism? Me saying that its not Day9s point to be entertainment, yet to help people get better is just an argument. Invalid or not, still an argument. Its still a valid point, because in my eyes, there is no reason for him not to show the replay bar. Sure I could watch a replay and learn the same thing, but if I am watching Day9, why cant I just kill 2 birds with one stone, so to speak.
Because, just as entertainment is not Day9's primary focus, neither is your personal convenience. As I said, I would have more sympathy if it was actually difficult to obtain the information you want without the help of Day9. Arguably it's easier and more informative to watch replays yourself because, with a replay, you have free reign to control the speed and the camera, view all the various different tabs, etc. etc. instead of only what Day9 happens to focus on.
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