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What do you consider to be the average APM value for each bracket?
Check your league underneath each and vote on what you about average...
Diamond League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Diamond Average APM120+ (62) 50% 60-89 (30) 24% 90-120 (19) 15% 1-29 (9) 7% 30-59 (3) 2% 123 total votes Your vote: Diamond Average APM (Vote): 120+
(Vote): 90-120
(Vote): 60-89
(Vote): 30-59
(Vote): 1-29
Platinum League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Platinum Average APM120+ (16) 33% 90-120 (13) 27% 60-89 (13) 27% 1-29 (4) 8% 30-59 (2) 4% 48 total votes Your vote: Platinum Average APM (Vote): 120+
(Vote): 90-120
(Vote): 60-89
(Vote): 30-59
(Vote): 1-29
Gold League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Gold Average APM60-89 (14) 32% 30-59 (13) 30% 90-120 (12) 27% 1-29 (5) 11% 44 total votes Your vote: Gold Average APM (Vote): 90-120
(Vote): 60-89
(Vote): 30-59
(Vote): 1-29
Silver League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Silver Average APM30-59 (17) 49% 60-90 (14) 40% 1-29 (4) 11% 35 total votes Your vote: Silver Average APM (Vote): 60-90
(Vote): 30-59
(Vote): 1-29
Bronze League
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Bronze Average APM1-29 (19) 36% 60-90 (17) 32% 30-59 (17) 32% 53 total votes Your vote: Bronze Average APM (Vote): 60-90
(Vote): 30-59
(Vote): 1-29
I'm just curious because I tend to use APM to generalize how I did in a particular game and what the skill level of the opponent is. Obviously short games (6-10min) aren't good indicators of APM as you can simply sit there spamming hotkeys and get ridiculous APMs, but longer games if you can keep that average up it generally means some level of "skill".
To that end, what have you noticed to be the average APMs for the various brackets?
I would probably consider bronze players to be about 10-25~APMs, while diamond I presume is 100+.
EDIT: Sorry did a search and found that Husky posted a poll about it, my bad. (Although the poll was from April so it might be better to get a better idea after release).
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I'm about 50 average (~700 diamond)
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From my experience gold is around 35-45, and platinum is 45-60.
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Diamond 100+
Plat 70+
Gold 50+
Silver 50+
Bronze 50+
Copper 1000+
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10-70 bronze-gold
50+ diamond.
And there may be exceptions.
I've met 60 APM in diamond and 200 APM in diamond. I've also seen a bronze guy with 50 APM. It varies so much.
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APM really isn't that great of a measurement of how good someone is. It really just varies. Someone who only knows micro might have really high apm while his macro suffers, and someone with bad micro and a-moves could have terrible apm and win with pure macro.
(950 diamond with ~100 apm, 150 on caffeine)
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the average top level players have between 110-130apm. some top level players have between 130-180. then you have the fastest top level players in the world (the koreans, SeleCt, ajtls) averaging between 240-300apm.
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On September 03 2010 02:44 CookieFactory wrote:
I'm about 50 average (~700 diamond)
Do you play Terran?
Zing! Just playing 
I'm around 125 over the course of an entire game at ~900 Diamond.
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APM is an extremely poor indicator of skill at various stages of the game.
Plenty of people with "High" APMs just spam key commands when they dont need to. Proper mechanics generally increase your APM at required times, but its not a direct relation to how good you are at the game.
You can be 500 APM and still suck balls because you don't know how to play.Meanwhile you can hover around 50-60 APM in most non-combat situations and play extremely well.
Combat APM is a better indicator since you can watch how someones action count relates to their ability to micromanage an army, but in a Macro sense, low APM (within reason) can be just as effective or more effective than people who spam buttons for an artificial epeen number.
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really depends on how effective your apm is.
I can crank out 150 apm games but can probably do the same thing with 110.
If you play zerg, u need 100+ apm to hang with good diamond players. Terran and protoss can get by with less.
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Diamond breaks down as follows by points
0-500 pts: 30 - 60 apm for z and p (Terran 10)
500 - 700 pts: 60 - 100 (Terran 50)
700 - 900 pts: 80 - 110 (Terran 60)
900+ pts: 100+ (Terran 60+)
I'd say APM stops being a good indicator for skill the higher you go, especially once you get into 100+.
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How can anyone have 10apm?
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Back in platinum i saw a lot of players with average APMs that never went above ~20, so yeah. in diamond it's probably about 50+
I used to obsess over apm, but it's not really that much of a skill parameter. Most people's high APM (mine too) comes from them spamming move orders etc.
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On September 03 2010 02:46 w_Ender_w wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 02:44 CookieFactory wrote:
I'm about 50 average (~700 diamond) Do you play Terran? Zing! Just playing I'm around 125 over the course of an entire game at ~900 Diamond.
I play Protoss actually. I really just don't "spam" at all.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
i've seen good diamond players with ~70 APM and they do just fine.
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apm has nothing to do with skill... I guarantee you that people range from ~50-300 apm in Diamond.
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I don't think APM is a good measure of anything apart from how much you spam, I suck and I have average like 120APM
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On September 03 2010 02:48 HazMat wrote:
How can anyone have 10apm?
By using a laptop touchpad.
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I would say that if you really want to see what your or someone elses APM is, check what it says when they are trying to manage a push against their front while being dropped/cliffed at the same time.
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On September 03 2010 02:47 Arkons.pbc wrote:
Diamond breaks down as follows by points
0-500 pts: 30 - 60 apm for z and p (Terran 10)
500 - 700 pts: 60 - 100 (Terran 50)
700 - 900 pts: 80 - 110 (Terran 60)
900+ pts: 100+ (Terran 60+)
I'd say APM stops being a good indicator for skill the higher you go, especially once you get into 100+.
Because we have to turn every thread into a Terran vs Zerg right? obviously terrans at 500 diamond have more than 10 APM : /
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around 60 here, i am a 600 pt diamond.
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I have about 100 in SC2 (~700 Diamond)
Funny thing is, I had ~250 in BW and sometimes I sit there in SC2 and just wait for something to finish without clicking. Because you dont need the APM that was needed in BW, there is no need for me to spam so much to keep my fingers warm and moving all the time.
I spam some hotkeys in the beginning of a game anyways. I am so used to doing this
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On September 03 2010 02:48 HazMat wrote:
How can anyone have 10apm?
Yeah I'll admit MM probably takes at least 15
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Anything over 150 (or so, it varies a bit) APM is inversely related to effective management (macro or micro).
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APM has nothing to do with skill. While it lets you do more things, it doesn't make you a better player. Plenty of people in Diamond have APM around 50. Plenty of people in lower divisions probably have APM that's 120+
It's what you do with it that counts. Sure, most higher APM people will be in higher divisions, but it isn't really a good indicator (you can't say this guy has APM so he is better skilled etc).
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On September 03 2010 02:49 CookieFactory wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 02:46 w_Ender_w wrote:On September 03 2010 02:44 CookieFactory wrote:
I'm about 50 average (~700 diamond) Do you play Terran? Zing! Just playing I'm around 125 over the course of an entire game at ~900 Diamond. I play Protoss actually. I really just don't "spam" at all.
Very cool. I spam a bit at the beginning of the game to warm the ol' fingers up. Do you ever feel like you aren't fast enough to manage things with that APM, or do you more feel like you just don't need to spend the APM on things?
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Calgary25977 Posts
LOL
What? Why do we have this thread? "Randomly guess the APM of each rank". WHY?
What's next? Randomly guess the shoe size of each rank.
Bronze - 10.5
Silver - 9.5
Gold - 10.0
Platinum - 9.5
Diamond - 10.5
Really?
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EPT
