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BillyMole
Profile Joined March 2010
United States118 Posts
July 31 2010 12:53 GMT
#21
Actually, for bad players, maphacks are more detrimental than beneficial. They tend to stare at what you're doing too much, and not pay enough attention to what they should be doing. AKA, it will not let a bad player beat a good player, and might even make a bad player worse.
Sokalo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States375 Posts
July 31 2010 12:54 GMT
#22
I imagine SC2 is running Warden or some version of it?

Either way, I hope Blizzard comes down HARD on hacking when it starts popping up. They've invested too much into SC2 multiplayer and have too much laid out for it to let hacking take it over.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
NeonGenesis
Profile Joined September 2005
Norway260 Posts
July 31 2010 12:55 GMT
#23
I'm not so sure they are doing it to make their opponents life miserable. I've seen cheaters defending themselves with idiotic statements like "knowing what to do with the information takes skill".
What miserable failiures.

The presence of hacks also makes the community paranoid and confrontational, which leads to a very hostile and un-enjoyable playing experience. Blizzard needs to employ pre-emptive measures against hacks, and not let them accumulate for ineffectual mass-ban streaks. The damage is already done by then as far as I am concerned.
It's all good. I just want rainbows, unicorns and machine guns. -Sundance DiGiovanni
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
July 31 2010 12:55 GMT
#24
I seriously doubt this is true unless I see evidence. Upload that replay first off all.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
July 31 2010 12:59 GMT
#25
On July 31 2010 21:55 XsebT wrote:
I seriously doubt this is true unless I see evidence. Upload that replay first off all.


there are maphacks out since 2 weeks into the beta.

there is nothing to "doubt.
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MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
July 31 2010 13:03 GMT
#26
On July 31 2010 21:25 Kurumi wrote:
I don't care,there is no system that will make game not crackable/hackable. First people started to attack,then they started to defend. Crackers will be always a one step ahead.


I might be way off here, but I don't remember hearing a lot of talk about maphackers on ICC, and I just assumed that their anti-hack loader worked really well (as in, not 100%, but close). Maybe I was mistaken there.

It's true that you can't make a game completely hack proof, but it should be possible to make it really hard to write a cheat, even without putting stuff server side. It might even be so that Blizzard has some decent protection in place, but since SC2 is new game, and a high profile title at that, it's going to bring in the more skilled maphack writers, since these guys are only after fame and recognition.
For Aiur! - If you reach for the stars and miss, you still might end up walking among the clouds.
luckySe7en
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
148 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 13:12:28
July 31 2010 13:08 GMT
#27
On July 31 2010 21:27 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 21:25 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
No game is hack proof. There will always be hacks and assclowns will use them. It's sad but true.
Pretty much covers it. You'll run into them every now and then and it sucks.


i recall blizzard saying that using a maphack = account ban for life.

$60 going down the drain for using a map hack is pretty bad if you ask me. perfect antihack =).

maybe lower level players will map hack.

but top level players in diamond, if they already played hundreds of games, they would not maphack and risk never being able to play sc2 again.

i think eventually, maphack will be very rare, and just for low level gamers. top level gamers will absolutely never take the risk.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 31 2010 13:11 GMT
#28
On July 31 2010 21:36 SoL[9] wrote:
OMG the "noobs" gonna report in forum like crazy s every time they get stomped...
This gonna be nasty. I hope that Blizzard to something about this.

Tackling hack reports by volume will make this not an issue. Getting reported once out of many games by a noob will be chalked up to envy. Getting reported five games in a row by different opponents, that'll put you on the shit list.
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Meldrath
Profile Joined June 2010
United States620 Posts
July 31 2010 13:11 GMT
#29
On July 31 2010 21:36 MuTT wrote:
when the game is new blizzard loves to ban for maphacking i got banned early in wc3 days now no1 gets banned
But you still maphack?
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whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
July 31 2010 13:17 GMT
#30
i dont understand, why the F would you risk your 60$ basically for nothing :O
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MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
July 31 2010 13:20 GMT
#31
On July 31 2010 22:08 luckySe7en wrote:
i think eventually, maphack will be very rare, and just for low level gamers. top level gamers will absolutely never take the risk.


Well, there have been instances in BW where a high level player has been caught maphacking. In reality, I don't think the prospect of losing $60 is what will keep people honest, but rather the risk of becoming outcasts in the community. And even then, there will always be someone who will take the risk.

And the "top level players" is not the real issue, for me it's more the high level platinum and low to mid level diamonds that are the real danger. These are annonymous enough that the only consequence will be the $60.

This might seem bad enough, but these players usually have enough skill to make it really hard to see that they are cheating. No selecting of stuff they cannot see, no prolonged gazing at Fog of War, etc. And they are good enough to actually make use of the information they get to win the game. If I meet a silver player with maphack in a placement match, I will not care, since I will win anyways.
For Aiur! - If you reach for the stars and miss, you still might end up walking among the clouds.
TheCookie
Profile Joined April 2010
United Arab Emirates34 Posts
July 31 2010 13:20 GMT
#32
Map hackers or hackers of any sort should have their account's banned, without any prior warning.

And Blizzard should step out their anti-hacking mechanism, the system can be hack proof if they wanted to be and put their time and money into it.
Zerg
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
July 31 2010 13:22 GMT
#33
On July 31 2010 21:43 NeonGenesis wrote:
It's hard to imagine that people feel satisfaction from winning knowing that they cheat.
It takes away a lot of my will to play knowing that cheaters are out there. Hope Blizzard sues the shoes of the creators.

For some people cheating is like "trying to beat the system" (and thus "cool") or simply acceptable as a way of going through society (because their daddy and everyone else who bends rules teaches them through bad examples) and thus kiddies will never stop cheating unless our societies develop some decent values of honor again ... Ever since the 70s nothing a kid does is bad and is excused as being part of the development of their personalities and thus cheating has become tolerated / accepted just like graffiti, parking in the second row, crossing the street on a red light (as a pedestrian) and whatever else. These kids could easily be deterred by a permanent ban.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
July 31 2010 13:25 GMT
#34
I am pretty sure blizzard will crack down on MHers in this game. Warden was really good at catching War3 ladder hackers. For customgames it didnt do anything, but maybe because custom games are hosted through blizzard warden will work on those too
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
July 31 2010 13:30 GMT
#35
On July 31 2010 21:33 sLiniss wrote:
Too bad banning results in a necessity to buy an entirely new copy. Maybe you can't even use it then because of Real ID/Facebook integration

Mostly because of of Battlenet account than Facebook ^^
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 13:30:48
July 31 2010 13:30 GMT
#36
I dunno it could just be a coincidence or some misunderstanding. Like once, I was playing a match with a friend, PvZ and I had a bunch of Colossi and he was using burrowed Infestors and was about to infested terran my mineral line. So anyway, I'm nearly maxed out on food and I need one more food to make one last Carrier so I kill a probe with my control group of Colossi. Suddenly a charred corpse of an Infestor pops up out of the ground and I'm like wtf? I kill another probe because I need one more food to make a Stalker or something and another charred corpse pops out. I watch the replay and what do you know, the Infestor was right next to the probe I was shooting. What's even more amazing was that the Infestors weren't stationary, they were actually moving PAST the probes but I happened to shoot at the exact right time.

What's the point of this story? Coincidences do happen.
lalala
NotGood-
Profile Joined March 2010
United States134 Posts
July 31 2010 13:33 GMT
#37
Theres always going to be hackers/cheaters in just about any video game on PC. I was just hoping sc2 wouldnt have map hacks available in beta, its sad.
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
July 31 2010 13:35 GMT
#38
ehm, when someone is looking the whole time at your base through unscouted FOV than u know its bs, that has nothing to do with coincidences
Capteone
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
July 31 2010 13:44 GMT
#39
On July 31 2010 21:27 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 21:25 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
No game is hack proof. There will always be hacks and assclowns will use them. It's sad but true.
Pretty much covers it. You'll run into them every now and then and it sucks.

I hope this doesnt turn into SC1 where everyone and their mother maphacked
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Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
July 31 2010 13:46 GMT
#40
I remember Blizzard knowing that people were hacking, waiting to collect as many names as possibly and then mass-banning after a few months. Not sure if that was warIII or WoW but hopefully they're doing the same thing right now.
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