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Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums. 
This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them).
So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this.
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On July 07 2010 03:56 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 03:52 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote: Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! Blizzard is only showing your First and Last name, not all the credentials you're stating. And I'll bite on your challenge: Gregory Dodd. Have fun. Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 03:52 McDonalds wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote: Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! You're not the first person to post this and you won't be the second person I reply to about it. I find it so amusing that people keep posting things like this as proof that it doesn't matter, where, meanwhile, in the Blizzard WoW thread, several people have done the same and been met with tons of their personal information: Including relatives and job history. To argue that you can't get a lot from just someones name is insane, obviously it is incredibly dependent on the common-ness of the name and internet history. Just because you think you are invincible (and you might be!) that doesn't mean there isn't someone who can be really hurt with just their name available. How can you be that short sighted and selfish? Pay attention to what is being said and think about it a second.
My name is not common. I would be surprised if there were more than a dozen people in the world who have it.
It's quite strange to me that you would suggest that I'm being selfish when none of this actually has anything to do with me. I'm not going to gain something from Blizzard telling the world your name. Ideally I would like everyone to be safe but let's face facts here. It's not like Facebook where you forget some setting and all of your bikini pictures are exposed to your network. It's going to be plainly obvious.
You can't really protect people from themselves. I imagine that the individuals who had their relatives mentioned had Facebooks with relatives in their friends. I imagine that the individuals who had their job history mentioned have online resumes. This stuff was already out there. The idea that Blizzard is somehow making it worse is almost absurd. Like I said before, I could probably find a lot of your names from something like an AIM address. And I have, multiple times.
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On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this.
Probably not overjoyed at the incoming law suits. With a players base of 15~ mil between games, you know it will happen.
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On July 07 2010 03:56 baskerville wrote:
good for you that you seem to have trustworthy employers, still that's not the norm out there, and i don't think when you're applying for any job you'd want to showcase who you are (hobbies etc) but just that you applied for the job and have the requirements to fulfill your contract (that's why the rest is called private)
well.. i have traveled in several... plus companies should have to be able to choose their future employees not force to hire (although not discriminate...tough call)
are you sure you said that? i'm so sorry for you that you have asked for that... but it still goes a long way towards showing that you've been lucky (and i'm certainly happy for you, honest, shit does happen to people), still i'm not one to address hate mail or threats, even less to prove a point
for example : have you never gone to a demonstration and gotten hit because you were too close to the troublemakers ? or even anywhere whenever just for (justifiably) expressing your discontent? or how bout wrongful arrests (with the shame or ridicule that goes with it), rumors started by mistake (or worse by people's petty considerations) or even hateful people bashing on or even hurting other people on account of having the wrong name at the wrong time and place...
well too bad you're so POed about my post, sorry it got to you this much, and i still hope you remain that positive about your life experience, still honest you don't have to have experienced awful things to understand that the privacy on internet is a necessity, there are a lot of people with awful goals and blizz should'nt be helping them (on account of trolls or any other half ass reason like less moderators to pay), but if you'd have you'd want less people to have to go through it like so many posters said before me, they've got your account number, let them just deal with people that are trouble from that end
(I've cut the quote to make it not long. I'm sure if someone wants to backtrack and read the original, they can.)
I'm not PO'd at all. I just don't see what the big deal is. You cannot have your identity stolen simply from a first and last name. It's simply not possible. Information that you have posted publicly on the internet that can be reached from a first and last name, can lead to identity theft, however, why would you have your personal information such as social security, address, and phone number available?
People go to conventions yearly. They have their name tag proudly around their neck with their first and last name, yet they don't complain about it. You're in a building with thousands of people you don't know who can easily see your first and last name however, you don't have a problem with it (Not saying you directly, just generally speaking).
A first and last name is that, a first and last name used to identify yourself. Again, that isn't information to find out where you live, find out what internet service provider you use, find out who your relatives are, etc. unless you display that information publicly elsewhere. If you feel that you are not safe displaying your name then the only thing I can advise is you don't post on their forums. Simple as that. In the long run, I feel that this change would make the forums more mature.
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On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this.
Blizzard doesn't want community? At first I thought you were nuts, but now that I think about what they did to bnet 2.0....
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Anonymity doesn't make you an ass hole, you already get a set account name which is more then enough to be held accountable by the ones you play with and by blizzard.
Along with most of the people who post on tl even the shitty-ones like me are going to be a ways higher quality in proving content then blizz's avg user who would be willing to post on their fourms.
Giving away personal info online for anyone to see is bullshit. Privacy is what people pay for not the other way around.
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On July 07 2010 04:17 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this. Blizzard doesn't want community? At first I thought you were nuts, but now that I think about what they did to bnet 2.0.... Did Blizzard play much of a role in the creation of TL?
Does anyone here point to the Blizzard forums as the home of ANY Blizzard game's community?
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On July 07 2010 04:12 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: Two things.
1: it's funny that you guys think anyone is going to care enough about you to look you up on the internet and destroy your life. Seriously guys, no one cares. You're not Jason Bourne. You're not James Bond. You're no one, you're a random kid on the internet playing games; no one cares if your first or last name is posted.
2: most of you guys who are freaking out about having your first and last name being posted already have that information (plus much MUCH more) freely available on your facebooks/myspaces.
I'll bite on that earlier challenge - I'm xx (go fucking figure) and my facebook e-mail is xxxxxx
I look forward to anyone who wants to destroy my life. 1- You would be surprised how far some idiots will go over arguments online. I post on another forum that has had problems with this - from people calling people's houses and leaving threatening messages to people calling other forum users' place of work to cost them their job (and yes, it is a video game forum)
2- These sites have privacy settings that keep your name and your personal info from being broadcast to everyone. That's not something that will be available aside from just not posting
Again, if you post your full email address, know that there are 100's of email bots scanning this page and you will get spam emails..
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On July 07 2010 04:08 RageOverdose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:03 Myles wrote:On July 07 2010 04:00 RageOverdose wrote:On July 07 2010 03:54 Myles wrote:He's the situation, unlikely, but 100% possible now when it wasn't before. You post something there about balance. Someone else posts that your wrong and you have a argument. Now some random person, not even the one you were talking to, can read that thread and decide you're worthy of harassment. They google your name, find your address and phone number, and maybe some of your relatives info as well. That isn't a big deal? It has happened just a month ago. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Counter-Strike-FPS-Knife-Fight,10543.htmlThe fact is that a situation like that will be extremely rare. But there are crazy people out there and I would rather not give them the opportunity. Anything horrible can happen to you at any time, and there's nothing you can do about it. And if someone is that dedicated, having your real name hidden will not realistically stop them. I'd say that it would be worse if they could get your email. Yes, but many things you cant do anything about. This is 100% preventable and that's what I don't like. Putting your name upfront just makes it easier. It is easier, so that means that people in general are going to do it more? Do I just have too much faith in people? Should I be a cynic? I know it's in the interest of being safe and not necessarily cynical to want to keep your real name hidden, but you will get stalked if someone is crazy (or trying to prove a point) and you can't do anything about it regardless. The point I'm making is, if someone is willing to take 6-7 months of planning (such as the CS stabbing) to screw you over, they are really screwed up and as unfortunate as it is, hiding your name on a forum is not going to help you. As far as I know, your Steam ID doesn't display that information. In fact, I don't even think it displays your email, but I don't keep that profile edited because I don't care about it, so if I'm wrong, please correct me. Yes it's good to be safe on the Internet. You could just not post on the forums if it's that big of a deal. If you really want to use the forums, then you have to accept that fact. But Blizzard won't change it unless the forums become useless or if the model becomes a visible problem.
Thank you for a well thought out reply.
I agree that if someone really wants to get you, they will. But why make it easier? I think the likelihood of some idiot 14 year old not liking your post and finding your phone number to harass you a bit is low overall, but with 5 million of them, one of them will decide its a good idea.
Also, I won't be posting on the Blizzard forums. I just can't understand why they think its a good idea. Something will happen and they will be sued.
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Memes are banned on TL. Dont use them to express your displeasure. No privacy issues here folks.
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On July 07 2010 04:15 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 03:56 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 03:52 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote: Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! Blizzard is only showing your First and Last name, not all the credentials you're stating. And I'll bite on your challenge: Gregory Dodd. Have fun. On July 07 2010 03:52 McDonalds wrote:On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote: Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! You're not the first person to post this and you won't be the second person I reply to about it. I find it so amusing that people keep posting things like this as proof that it doesn't matter, where, meanwhile, in the Blizzard WoW thread, several people have done the same and been met with tons of their personal information: Including relatives and job history. To argue that you can't get a lot from just someones name is insane, obviously it is incredibly dependent on the common-ness of the name and internet history. Just because you think you are invincible (and you might be!) that doesn't mean there isn't someone who can be really hurt with just their name available. How can you be that short sighted and selfish? Pay attention to what is being said and think about it a second. My name is not common. I would be surprised if there were more than a dozen people in the world who have it. It's quite strange to me that you would suggest that I'm being selfish when none of this actually has anything to do with me. I'm not going to gain something from Blizzard telling the world your name. Ideally I would like everyone to be safe but let's face facts here. It's not like Facebook where you forget some setting and all of your bikini pictures are exposed to your network. It's going to be plainly obvious. You can't really protect people from themselves. I imagine that the individuals who had their relatives mentioned had Facebooks with relatives in their friends. I imagine that the individuals who had their job history mentioned have online resumes. This stuff was already out there. The idea that Blizzard is somehow making it worse is almost absurd. Like I said before, I could probably find a lot of your names from something like an AIM address. And I have, multiple times.
I relayed a post earlier that I think accurately reflects my stance on the issue of "It's out there."
Facebook is a social networking site that is primarily used for facilitating EXISTING relationships. It is by choice people go there and upload pictures of them at the beach with their friends. Linking the two doesn't make any sense. One is a game, one is a site where you intend to put yourself on the web.
Do I really have to argue why some people might want their gaming habits kept on the down low? (for the record, I personally don't care.. but its not about me)
Think about the piece of mind that some (a large number) of Blizzard customers loose, for the POSSIBILITY of a better forum... It doesn't add up and I think it is insane of a company to do that to their users.
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On July 07 2010 04:15 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this. Probably not overjoyed at the incoming law suits. With a players base of 15~ mil between games, you know it will happen.
I'm not sure how this would play out in court. In the past terms of use agreements have been deemed non-binding but I'm pretty sure everyone will know how the forum works before they post anything. There might be a prominent warning or something, I dunno.
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Well that'll kill fishing and trolling, which is actually somewhat nice. I personally don't mind it.
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Facebook, 3D vision support, real name display... Blizzard you really know your priorities. Bravo.
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So much for the blizzard forums.
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Blizzard seriously just punched any female gamer in the face, and then laughed at her while she was on the ground crying. Showing real names really removes any sort of privacy on the internet. This is why alias's were invented on the internet. Women in any blizzard games try to stay as private as possible, and blizzard is just telling them they dont belong on the forums. I'm not a girl but this is what I thought of first when i read the post. I really dislike this idea. I absolutely HATE what blizzard is doing with the new battle.net and the new "REAL ID" crap. I dont want to be known as KYLE XXXXXXXXXXXXX to everyone on the forums. I dont want people to know my nationality by my last name, nor do i want to be so easily displayed on the internet. With your full name your social security number instantly becomes readily available to anyone who wants to get it, opens me up to a wide wide range of scams in the future.
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On July 07 2010 04:15 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this. Probably not overjoyed at the incoming law suits. With a players base of 15~ mil between games, you know it will happen.
I don't see any grounds for legal action. There ToS' don't match now because they haven't implemented the feature. Furthermore, it's THEIR forum on THEIR website for THEIR game. No one is making anyone post there. If you don't like the Real ID, just don't post.
It's not like Blizzard is duct-taping you to a chair, opening a web browser, steering you to their forums and saying, "You'd better make an account and post with your real id or we'll nerf Terran Mech more!".
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LOL. Good thing I don't post on those trash forums...
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On July 07 2010 04:19 ascoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:12 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: Two things.
1: it's funny that you guys think anyone is going to care enough about you to look you up on the internet and destroy your life. Seriously guys, no one cares. You're not Jason Bourne. You're not James Bond. You're no one, you're a random kid on the internet playing games; no one cares if your first or last name is posted.
2: most of you guys who are freaking out about having your first and last name being posted already have that information (plus much MUCH more) freely available on your facebooks/myspaces.
I'll bite on that earlier challenge - I'm xx (go fucking figure) and my facebook e-mail is xxxxxx
I look forward to anyone who wants to destroy my life. 1- You would be surprised how far some idiots will go over arguments online. I post on another forum that has had problems with this - from people calling people's houses and leaving threatening messages to people calling other forum users' place of work to cost them their job (and yes, it is a video game forum) 2- These sites have privacy settings that keep your name and your personal info from being broadcast to everyone. That's not something that will be available aside from just not posting Again, if you post your full email address, know that there are 100's of email bots scanning this page and you will get spam emails.. 1 - If someone calls your house, who the fuck cares? It's not a big deal.
If, on the other hand, you think it is a big deal (and I think that's fine, if you do), you can take legal recourse. If some pimply faced 18 year old thinks it's funny to make threatening calls to my house, I guarantee you that ONE visit or call from the police will scare him shitless.
2 - You would be surprised at how much personal information is spread, especially through aps you download.
Also, lol, that's what e-mail filters are for? Seriously, if you guys are so paranoid that you don't want even your first/last name on the internet, GTFO and go party with the 40/50 year olds who think that their monitors are really government recording devices used to spy on you.
The fact of the matter is, if you don't want your first/last name posted, don't post on the forums. Problem solved.
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