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On July 07 2010 04:22 vizniz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 04:15 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 04:14 kajeus wrote:Honestly, I think every single one of you who is afraid of this development is EXACTLY the kind of poster that Blizzard doesn't want on its forums.  This is not a 1984-like Orwellian "Good Citizens Have Nothing To Fear" kind of argument -- it's recognition of a calculated move by a smart company. I don't think they want to have flame wars about balance and millions of posts on their forums. I'm not sure they want too much posting at all. There are other places to argue (TL being but one of them). So if I were Blizzard, I think I might be OVERJOYED that a huge portion of TL is so upset about this. Probably not overjoyed at the incoming law suits. With a players base of 15~ mil between games, you know it will happen. I don't see any grounds for legal action. There ToS' don't match now because they haven't implemented the feature. Furthermore, it's THEIR forum on THEIR website for THEIR game. No one is making anyone post there. If you don't like the Real ID, just don't post. It's not like Blizzard is duct-taping you to a chair, opening a web browser, steering you to their forums and saying, " You'd better make an account and post with your real id or we'll nerf Terran Mech more!".
To be honest I was just spinning wheels. I've seen people win law suits for less though =P
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This is great. I hope they mean it.
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Privacy is a primary concern, always. Idra and Artosis defined that pretty well.
Fake names/trolling are a bit harder as the ability to post is tied to a cd-key/account.
The flip side, is when you gain fame, we still know your real name and not just your internet alias.
So we'll see how it goes. I still trust Blizzard. Very, very skeptical, but we'll see.
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being a troll my self, i find this to be a very very important move. anonymity on the internets is a sickness to me and others
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On July 07 2010 04:14 Mulloy wrote:Show nested quote +Are you positive all environments have an as indifferent stance towards gaming as yours is?
I am aware that I can refrain from posting on the forums, and I won't, but we all see where this is heading. The more stupid stuff employers have to try and find out about you, the quicker they'll realize 99% of it isn't worth their time. Plus if you have a job where you're well respected and do good work, but they're biased against gamers, you'd be doing the world a general favor by coming out of the closet. Or Mog house, or whatever.
Again, let me be the one to decide whether I want to take some fight for the greater good at the expense of whatever sorts of personal information about myself I wouldn't wish to reveal for some of the people I interact with. My name is used in so many different kinds of social environments, that I feel as if I should have some sort of right to control what sort of associations would come with it.
There's a reason when a business partner asks me what my hobbies are, I'm not going to respond world of warcraft. Furthermore I don't know exactly what situation I might be in say 2 years from now, as from what I have experienced things could come to change very fast. I can't tell for certain that those associations wouldn't be derogatory for my "image."
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Haha, I just realized that before opening this thread or just after it I posted in the US Midnight release thread, providing the address of where I'll be picking up my copy on release night. Wooo~
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Again, let me be the one to decide whether I want to take some fight for the greater good at the expense of whatever sorts of personal information about myself I wouldn't wish to reveal for some of the people I interact with. My name is used in so many different kinds of social environments, that I feel as if I should have some sort of right to control what sort of associations would come with it.
There's a reason when a business partner asks me what my hobbies are, I'm not going to respond world of warcraft. Furthermore I don't know exactly what situation I might be in say 2 years from now, as from what I have experienced things could come to change very fast. I can't tell for certain that those associations wouldn't be derogatory for my "image."
No, you're free to be as reclusive as you want to be, but you still have the decision as to what shows up online in your name. (Well, barring people spoofing your name.) You still have the choice to post or not post, and even if you do post, you still have some degree of flexibility in whether your Real ID can be tied to anything else if you have a more common name, though that, of course, is debatable depending on names.
Ultimately though I'm still of the opinion that gaming isn't the stigma it was in the 80s. You had people seriously linking games to worshiping the devil.With the popularity of the various Madden titles and all the other sports games, I really don't see why you wouldn't want to tear down the stereotype, but this change wouldn't make you expose yourself. You can still just not post on the battle.net forums, which are typically the worst place for anything other than blue text, which is often decried anyway.
It's still your choice either way. I mean I work in Utah and make no attempts to hide the fact that I'm an atheist, so I guess my concerns about playing video games 'tarnishing' my reputation is a little lower on my priority scale.
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definitely not going to work
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On July 07 2010 04:22 Phayze wrote:
Blizzard seriously just punched any female gamer in the face, and then laughed at her while she was on the ground crying. Showing real names really removes any sort of privacy on the internet. This is why alias's were invented on the internet. Women in any blizzard games try to stay as private as possible, and blizzard is just telling them they dont belong on the forums. I'm not a girl but this is what I thought of first when i read the post. I really dislike this idea. I absolutely HATE what blizzard is doing with the new battle.net and the new "REAL ID" crap. I dont want to be known as KYLE XXXXXXXXXXXXX to everyone on the forums. I dont want people to know my nationality by my last name, nor do i want to be so easily displayed on the internet. With your full name your social security number instantly becomes readily available to anyone who wants to get it, opens me up to a wide wide range of scams in the future.
1) I realllly doubt there will be much resembling an average online community on the Bnet forums (just as there isn't now). What are girls going to be afraid of doing? And why? If there's no trolling or flame wars, I think it'll be fine.
2) Do you know how social security numbers work...?
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I too would be quick to scrap the idea that they've supposedly spent "given a great deal of consideration to" if it was getting flamed this much in just mere hours after its announcement.
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Hello. Just joined your forums and will not be using Battle.net forums once this real id crap is implemented. I look forward to reading and posting on here.
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Employers are increasingly googling peoples' names, as are girlfriends, parents, and nosy people. This is a really bad idea and I'm not a fan of Blizzard's disregard for privacy.
The only way I can justify this is by the belief that Blizzard is doing this to increase the likelihood of people using the Facebook integration and hoping that viral marketing boosts sales.
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Well Stephen, I'll hypothetically take your challenge. First, I'll start with getting to Elizabeth, who attends La Salle High School, she would be a great first target, because I'm a man, and I really don't care about you.
Secondly, I'll head on up to Camby, Indiana, and check out Liza, maybe follow her home from Indiana Martial Arts, just to see what her route is. Maybe pose as a hurt person on the side of the road or something to get her to pull over. I'll just happen to have attended Northwest High School, but I graduated in '98 so I'm a year younger than her just to keep the conversation running so that I can do some devious things.
I was able to obtain the above information in about 1 minute. Im sure someone who is better experienced could have pulled up much more information than that.
The problem is, with facebook and other applications like facebook, you are connected to other people, and while you think that you lead an uninteresting life (it seems that way to me too) that you also place your loved ones in jeopardy as well.
Lets switch you out with a young girl who doesn't know much about the internet, or some dumb older brother who has his profile viewable but also has his younger sister in there with intimate information about her and you are putting people who don't know or don't want to reveal their information into a bad situation.
I don't have a problem with releasing my name, but there are many people who could be harmed directly or collaterally without knowing it. I definitely think this is a bad idea.
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On July 07 2010 04:22 Phayze wrote:
Blizzard seriously just punched any female gamer in the face, and then laughed at her while she was on the ground crying. Showing real names really removes any sort of privacy on the internet. This is why alias's were invented on the internet. Women in any blizzard games try to stay as private as possible, and blizzard is just telling them they dont belong on the forums. I'm not a girl but this is what I thought of first when i read the post.
I dont see why this is bad for girls. If your a creep irl do you walk up to a stranger and talk to her? Why would they act as if they would with an alias when they dont have one themselves anymore?
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Will previous posts display your real ID as well? I prefer bnet 1.0 instead of real ID 2.0 :S
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On July 07 2010 04:29 moyk wrote:I too would be quick to scrap the idea that they've supposedly spent "given a great deal of consideration to" if it was getting flamed this much in just mere hours after its announcement.
Then you don't know too much about how people respond to edgy new things.
(Hint: They often HATE them.)
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i couldnt care less if the the people on a forum know my name or not.
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On July 07 2010 03:51 Mulloy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 03:48 Offhand wrote:
Mentioned this on another forum but no one took up the challenge. If you're cool with this change please include your first and last name, email address, bnet account name, and facebook profile.
In the meantime, you can get as much info as you want off the following hints: Offhand, United States.
Thanks! Michael David Mulloy II Gozoku@gmail.com http://www.facebook.com/#!/michael.mulloyHave fun?
27 years old.
Married to a woman named Stephanie.
Has a young daughter.
Narrowed down to a few possible locations. Most likely you live in Orem Utah and attend school in West Valley. Otherwise, there's phone numbers for San Diego and Mountain View locations. The fact that you're the second helps, but that's nothing that couldn't be fixed with a phone call.
And a few inferences.
Politically aligned liberal.
Most likely a goon.
Keep in mind this is only what I've found in the past 10 minutes. A little bit of /effort or social engineering could get me a lot more. What'd you get using my information?
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Like many others, I don't see any benefit to this. Anyone who doesn't want their full name on the forums (for whatever reason) will simply not use them. Blizzard loses a part (a lot, I'd bet) of the community and potential new, good ideas.
This leaves only people who don't care about their name being known. Why, then, would this deter them from posting troll/flame posts? They already don't care! And the spammers? Well they'll just make a fake name and still spam. All cons, no pros.
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Maybe they will change it back after the forums get deserted
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