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On June 25 2010 21:49 konicki wrote:
Since when does Blizzard's saying they are "gonna fix it" mean in a timely fashion or at all.
Call me pessimistic, but my recent experience with Blizzards failure to even recognize it as important in the beginning to me simply spells out an inability to react properly. When this does happen, you won't like it because it'll break on you, not be complete, cost you money, or one of another host of issues.
You think they will make it easy.... ok, optimism, thats not a bad thing.
I honestly don't understand the new found optimism with blizzard either. they're vaguely addressing the issues with even vaguer solutions that are "coming some time after release". Reality check guys, they said the same thing about online replays with WC3.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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+ Show Spoiler +[On June 25 2010 21:08 Boertie wrote:
It seems like blizzard is finally developing this advanced technology that allows for cross-region play!
Jeeh!
The concepts aren't advanced, but producing a network that actually has consistent playable latencies between continents seems to be. Hopefully they can do it right and set up infrastructure for relays. I don't want every third game to have someone from the other side of the world lagging like crazy.
I was being sarcastic... it is a dutch thing..
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I think this is great news, sure we don't know when, but that's better than their previous stance of never.
Lets say they never planned to implement cross server play, and developed their software accordingly. Then, they change their mind due to community feedback and go back to change the software to enable cross server play. That would take time, but it's a great sign because they are taking the community seriously.
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On June 25 2010 18:48 zeox wrote:Show nested quote +We are looking into ways of letting you switch between servers, no matter whether you buy a European or American version of the game. As for the second question you won't be able to play in the same game using different servers, as we have never had global servers for our games. It is our goal for the future, but won't be there for release. Source. So, both cross-server play and chat channels are coming post-release. I guess Blizzard is listening to the community after all. Now all we need is better privacy options and bnet2.0 is starting to look pretty awesome
This isn't news.
They said this for a long-ass time, that chat wouldn't be in for release but that it would come in a patch after release.
The same goes for cross-server play.
They're not listening to the community, the community just seems to have alzheimers and forgot interviews from about a year ago where they said exactly the same thing.
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I highly doubt there will be a charge for this. Blizzard has stated they won't charge fees for features that were in previous games. Of course things could change but it is unlikely.
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On June 25 2010 18:59 zeox wrote:
... i'm not saying "oh thx bliz for adding such features", i'm saying "thank god you came to your senses, Blizzard"
This!
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On June 25 2010 21:49 konicki wrote:
Since when does Blizzard's saying they are "gonna fix it" mean in a timely fashion or at all.
Call me pessimistic, but my recent experience with Blizzards failure to even recognize it as important in the beginning to me simply spells out an inability to react properly. When this does happen, you won't like it because it'll break on you, not be complete, cost you money, or one of another host of issues.
You think they will make it easy.... ok, optimism, thats not a bad thing.
Dude, of course they knew it would be an issue. They ran the numbers and they worked out that the number of people that it mattered too (it IS the minority, don't kid yourself) was not a material amount in the overall scheme of things. That is why cross realm play and lan are at best a future possibility rather than a core feature.
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On June 25 2010 21:42 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 20:20 spinesheath wrote:On June 25 2010 18:57 Kantutan wrote:
I hope everyone will stop whining so much now. We'll be getting some form of chat channels, clans, and cross-server play post release. LAN is yet to be seen, but I'd put my money on there being something worked out in the end. What's with the hate against whining? I am pretty sure that if it were not for all that whining and complaining, Blizzard would never have made all those promises. And even if they already had plans for this (they stated they had none), they certainly raised in priority. There is a huge difference between whining and constructive criticism, and this community, the hardcore players, whines way too much, and it really overshadows the small amount of constructive feedback we give Blizzard. To me, at least, that doesn't seem like a good way to conduct ourselves.
Do you really think the small amount of constructive criticism was the deciding factor? Which do you think a for-profit business cares more about, ten thousand people "whining" and saying they won't buy the game because chat channels aren't included, or one person giving constructive criticism by saying "the game is currently missing something, if you add chat channels maybe that would help"?
Whining fixed this game.
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On June 26 2010 02:19 ocho wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 21:42 ryanAnger wrote:On June 25 2010 20:20 spinesheath wrote:On June 25 2010 18:57 Kantutan wrote:
I hope everyone will stop whining so much now. We'll be getting some form of chat channels, clans, and cross-server play post release. LAN is yet to be seen, but I'd put my money on there being something worked out in the end. What's with the hate against whining? I am pretty sure that if it were not for all that whining and complaining, Blizzard would never have made all those promises. And even if they already had plans for this (they stated they had none), they certainly raised in priority. There is a huge difference between whining and constructive criticism, and this community, the hardcore players, whines way too much, and it really overshadows the small amount of constructive feedback we give Blizzard. To me, at least, that doesn't seem like a good way to conduct ourselves. Do you really think the small amount of constructive criticism was the deciding factor? Which do you think a for-profit business cares more about, ten thousand people "whining" and saying they won't buy the game because chat channels aren't included, or one person giving constructive criticism by saying "the game is currently missing something, if you add chat channels maybe that would help"? Whining fixed this game.
Don't confuse the issue. What got Blizzard's attention was a large group of people talking about an important issue. NOT the fact that over half of them were accusing Blizzard of a money grab or Activision of being the devil. If that large group of people collectively focused their voice on the issue and not on Blizzard/Activision, we would have gotten more communication and our "whining" would have been more effective.
People aren't saying to "shut up." They're saying that when you speak up, focus on the issue, not on Blizzard.
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I don't think anyone should be holding their breath in regards to this... I am not going to let my guard down and for good reason... Take Warcraft3 online replays, essentially they can delay these features and then just never integrate them.
They just have to "say" these things to put out the fires and 3-6 months after release when we ALREADY purchased the game we just don't ever see these features from them. What are you going do about it then?
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On June 25 2010 23:13 MaD.pYrO wrote:
This isn't news.
They said this for a long-ass time, that chat wouldn't be in for release but that it would come in a patch after release.
The same goes for cross-server play.
They're not listening to the community, the community just seems to have alzheimers and forgot interviews from about a year ago where they said exactly the same thing.
You are wrong in this regard. When people asked them about cross-region the response was one of "why would you want that" or evasive answers to the question instead of just saying "we will make it happen in the future". So the real news is them actually answering the question directly. That is why people are happy.
The same goes for chat rooms. They were extremely vague about what chat rooms they were going to add into the game. That is why people were raging so hard about it because blizzard did not articulate their ideas well when they answered the question. Now they have gone out and said that there will be private chat rooms thus the community is happy again.
People really need to stop acting as if they amazing anti-conformists who see through all the mist that is blizzard.
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On June 25 2010 18:53 skeldark wrote:
THATS SO FREAKING BAD TO HEAR.
comming one day.... perhaps..... and not sure if it will cost money.
dam this a bad news not good ones.
i think this are no nice to have options. like: "oh thx bliz for adding such features".
this are essential options. its like : you want to drive with your car in a other city.
Yeah we will do this in a upgrade but for moment pls stay in your city with it.
so this what they say is :
"done when its done" was the past.
game is ready in upgrade nr 20 is future...
Cross server play is only really wanted by a small portion of the community. Most people who buy this game wont care. The fact that they are considering doing it at all is good. I think Blizzard has made some great steps in conceding to our requests, but we aren't the primary market. Try to remember that.
As long as the community continue's to demand these features, maybe with a little more tact now that we know Blizzard intends to do it, we will still get them in a timely manner. At a certain point you have to stop complaining about Blizzard when they are trying to meet our demands or you just look like a whiney bitch.
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Team Liquid strikes again. The Community (tm): bending Activision to its will since 2010!
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On June 26 2010 02:34 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 02:19 ocho wrote:On June 25 2010 21:42 ryanAnger wrote:On June 25 2010 20:20 spinesheath wrote:On June 25 2010 18:57 Kantutan wrote:
I hope everyone will stop whining so much now. We'll be getting some form of chat channels, clans, and cross-server play post release. LAN is yet to be seen, but I'd put my money on there being something worked out in the end. What's with the hate against whining? I am pretty sure that if it were not for all that whining and complaining, Blizzard would never have made all those promises. And even if they already had plans for this (they stated they had none), they certainly raised in priority. There is a huge difference between whining and constructive criticism, and this community, the hardcore players, whines way too much, and it really overshadows the small amount of constructive feedback we give Blizzard. To me, at least, that doesn't seem like a good way to conduct ourselves. Do you really think the small amount of constructive criticism was the deciding factor? Which do you think a for-profit business cares more about, ten thousand people "whining" and saying they won't buy the game because chat channels aren't included, or one person giving constructive criticism by saying "the game is currently missing something, if you add chat channels maybe that would help"? Whining fixed this game. Don't confuse the issue. What got Blizzard's attention was a large group of people talking about an important issue. NOT the fact that over half of them were accusing Blizzard of a money grab or Activision of being the devil. If that large group of people collectively focused their voice on the issue and not on Blizzard/Activision, we would have gotten more communication and our "whining" would have been more effective. People aren't saying to "shut up." They're saying that when you speak up, focus on the issue, not on Blizzard.
EXACTLY.
You people seem so whiney all the time because you "rage" at the wrong things in the wrong ways.
Stick to the issue and drop all the weird-ass conspiracy-theory/paranoia stuff, and this community will be tonnnns better.
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On June 26 2010 02:57 MangoTango wrote:
Team Liquid strikes again. The Community (tm): bending Activision to its will since 2010!
Or... Blizzard: Being... a Good, Nice... Company? Since 199x?
Sounds better to me.
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On June 25 2010 19:07 Marou wrote:i'm pretty sure we'll have to pay for that, i hope the price won't exceed 5 or 10$ 
I really hope they don't make us buy every little upgrade for the game, even the most basic ones
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On June 25 2010 18:55 Zhek wrote:
Shitstorm: Sucess!
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awesome decision by Blizzard =)
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