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On May 28 2010 13:15 DanceDance wrote:
You have identified the negative points of chat channels. But what about the positive points?
i.e Good things about channels:
1) A sense of community.
2) Great for clan communication
3) Great for communication with friends
4) A good way for keeping in touch
5) A way for meeting new people
6) A good medium for organizing tournaments
7) More power to the community (i.e private channels)
8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions
9) Channels give life to B.Net
The list goes on...
Did you get a sense of community in those screenshots I posted? How about any people you'd be interested in meeting? Did you see any discussions taking place at all? Please be realisitic and take a look at chat channels as they are, not as we remember them or as they would be in a perfect world. At the moment, they are neither.
And one could argue that it's the gaming experience that gives life to B.net, not the ability to use it as a makeshift IRC.
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This is how you find games on iCCup. That's what the ladder channels are for. iCCup doesn't have a matchmaking system. This is largely not relevant for Battle.net 2.0 because it has a modern matchmaking system.
I dont know anybody who actually finds a game this way.
I just open a game or join one - not too hard, is it?
I kinda laughed when i read a176s post, but I hope he is aware of the fact that this is just a temporary solution because blizzard wants to TEST THINGS IN A BETA.
fucking stupid blizzard, how can they dare using the beta to try out things 
Beta is not made to have tournaments running and people play competive.
those things are done, but that is not why we have the beta.
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PS: if you want something like IRC, then use IRC (:
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have the chat channels in irc, so the channelbots (Q and Chanserv) take care of it
ezpz
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I read the original post, but I still think it's ridiculous that we aren't going to have channels when the game gets launched (I have no problem with not having channels in the beta) because channels got spammed. I met all the time with friends in channels. And if some spammer came into our channel, we kicked him out. And if we couldn't, we moved to a new channel. Duh? Go make a private channel... it's not that hard.
This completely destroys the novelty of the social aspect of SC2. You're going to only team up with people on your friends list... what if they're not on? Where do you hang out (besides TL of course)? What if you don't feel like adding every single person you've ever met to a friends list, through e-mail addresses and that nonsense?
Channels were incredibly worthwhile. Friends and clans and teams meet up in channels. If ignoring (or destroying) spambots is really too hard for the SC2 creators to do, then I think that's kinda sad.
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I disagree completely and I would trade in every single arbitrary feature from The entire Ladder to friends lists for Chat Channels without hesitation.
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i run a clan myself on Sc with over 30 active members and 3years going strong. dont get me wrong, i love what iv done for my fellow friends and gamers but due to the war/flood/load bots and drama involved its just not worth it anymore (Remember coming from someone that has had there computer on 24/7 for 3years and spent more time on a channel then most have on their jobs). I would like to see a channel system added to the game but no clan system. Either way im very happy with how thing will turn out, come on its SC2 for fucks sake!
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On May 28 2010 13:16 Cola.bier wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:04 Tsagacity wrote:First of all, I believe that everyone will agree that chat rooms have no place in beta. Strongly disagree. Community involvement can be a huge aid in developing the strategies and balance of the game. And I strongly agree with the others criticizing the use of public channels as an option. I don't think people are worred about Starcraft USA-15 I hope this was a sarcastic comment. In a public channel, were everyboy can write (and spam), including total noobs and boons, how the heck are you gonna develop strategies and builds there and find balance issues? 8[ I agree with the guy who made the thread, nobody needs public channels. Sometimes I wish though that there were private channels. When you are playing some 1n1 matches with some friends and everybody brings some more friends to obs the games it is a pain in the ass to invite everyboy into the games, instead of just posting the gamename into the channel or seeing who wants to obs by checking the channel. But since you now have that button to invite people into games even if you are not the host this all has become much easier. Just stop crying about everything! Where the hell did I say those people discussing strategy would do it in a public channel?
Also, when did this discussion become about PUBLIC chat channels? This is about any chat channels in general.
There is HUGE difference between not having public chat channels and not having chat channels at all. Blizzard has said that we will not have ANY chat channels at release. That's what we're talking about.
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On May 28 2010 13:22 ComradeDover wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:15 DanceDance wrote:
You have identified the negative points of chat channels. But what about the positive points?
i.e Good things about channels:
1) A sense of community.
2) Great for clan communication
3) Great for communication with friends
4) A good way for keeping in touch
5) A way for meeting new people
6) A good medium for organizing tournaments
7) More power to the community (i.e private channels)
8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions
9) Channels give life to B.Net
The list goes on... Did you get a sense of community in those screenshots I posted? How about any people you'd be interested in meeting? Did you see any discussions taking place at all? Please be realisitic and take a look at chat channels as they are, not as we remember them or as they would be in a perfect world. At the moment, they are neither. And one could argue that it's the gaming experience that gives life to B.net, not the ability to use it as a makeshift IRC.
Did you get a sense of community in those screenshots I posted?
No, because those screenshots are a biased view of chat channels.
How about any people you'd be interested in meeting?
I met my best online friend via chat channels. 5 years later, we still game together.
Did you see any discussions taking place at all
No, because those screenshots are a biased view of chat channels.
Hey would you like to add me as a friend on Battle Net? You just have to give me your email so I can add you. I think that's a much better alternative, don't you? You can trust people with your email address, right?
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On May 28 2010 13:19 MyHeroNoob wrote:
just join another channel?
But then he can't write a biased thread about how public channels that everyone that logs in gets dumped in are full of spam. I have a feeling the OP hasn't had much experience with private channels, especially since he stated in another reply that vent/forum replaces the need for an in-game chat.
A good solution would have been to either get rid of the cesspool that is the main rooms, or simply moderate them with bots and kick/mute/temp ban people for spam, advertising, etc. Getting rid of chatrooms altogether is a mistake imo, and I couldn't care less for facebook integration, it's not a replacement.
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The problem with no chat channels is that there is no way otherwise to communicate passively. You have to DIRECTLY message people if you want to chat or play - I don't really want to direct message a total stranger even if I can find out their email address, that's sorta awkward. Plus if I want to ask a GROUP of people "who wants to game?" I'd have to ask each person individually or invite them all to one conversation to ask one question.
In BW I never belonged to a clan, but everyone from my highschool would meet/idle in the same channel. Private channels were used by a lot more people than just clans. And even if Brood War USA-1 is full of a ton of spam, I prefer a bunch of spam to staring at a lonely blank void.
Blizz said that they have something "better" to replace chat channels, and maybe it is. But it would have to fufill the ability to communicate to a group of people you may or may not know all at once... and that sounds a hell of a lot like a chat channel.
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Couldn't disagree more with the OP.
Chat channels are essential. Yes, public channels are full of spam but private moderated channels is the life of battle.net.
This guy has it spot on:
On May 28 2010 13:15 DanceDance wrote:
You have identified the negative points of chat channels. But what about the positive points?
i.e Good things about channels:
1) A sense of community.
2) Great for clan communication
3) Great for communication with friends
4) A good way for keeping in touch
5) A way for meeting new people
6) A good medium for organizing tournaments
7) More power to the community (i.e private channels)
8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions
9) Channels give life to B.Net
The list goes on...
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On May 28 2010 13:18 a176 wrote:
OP, you don't like spam?
post your email here so we can add you to our friends list then.
LOL Well said!
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IMO
Public chat channels are bad for pretty much everyone
Private chat channels are good for the people that use them, and a neutral point for those that don't.
I consider public and private channels two entirely separate things.
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To OP: you have valid points, except one thing, you missed one word public. All the drawbacks of channels you said were from public channels.
With private channels and moderated channels it's a totally different story.
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On May 28 2010 13:15 ComradeDover wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 12:59 Whiplash wrote:On May 28 2010 12:58 ComradeDover wrote:On May 28 2010 12:57 Archerofaiur wrote:
I agree. Being forced used to use facebook or give out your email address is much better. I'm glad you agree, but I would appreciate you actually reading the article. Especially the last bit that addresses all your silly Facebook concerns. It was a joke, I think most people would prefer blizzard implemented bnet channels over facebook integration. I would like you to explain to me what exactly is so awful about the Facebook integration. To be specific, the Facebook integration we have now, not your nightmare distopia vision of what it could possibly maybe become because you think Blizzard is greedy.
i don't use facebook, and i met a lot of the ppl i play bw with in chat channels. i'd rather not sign up for facebook just to make it easier to make starcraft friends, the ppl i play sc2 with now are friends from BW and i met them in chat channels. i know their first names, and thats enough (and only because we've known each other for a while now  )
plz bring back chat channels.
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On May 28 2010 13:22 ComradeDover wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:15 DanceDance wrote:
You have identified the negative points of chat channels. But what about the positive points?
i.e Good things about channels:
1) A sense of community.
2) Great for clan communication
3) Great for communication with friends
4) A good way for keeping in touch
5) A way for meeting new people
6) A good medium for organizing tournaments
7) More power to the community (i.e private channels)
8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions
9) Channels give life to B.Net
The list goes on... Did you get a sense of community in those screenshots I posted? How about any people you'd be interested in meeting? Did you see any discussions taking place at all? Please be realisitic and take a look at chat channels as they are, not as we remember them or as they would be in a perfect world. At the moment, they are neither. And one could argue that it's the gaming experience that gives life to B.net, not the ability to use it as a makeshift IRC.
It's 10 fucking years since chat channels were in Bnet 1.0 you think there wont be moderation in the bnet 2.0 ones, no changes at all? I can post images of bnet 1.0 chat rooms WITH Discussions and I'd be a baller myself.
Possible forms of moderation:
1. You can mute/block people in chat rooms unlike in previous battle.net titles.
2. Blizzard implements a spam system where you can only type x messages in y seconds(They already do this in WoW)
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On May 28 2010 13:22 ComradeDover wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2010 13:15 DanceDance wrote:
You have identified the negative points of chat channels. But what about the positive points?
i.e Good things about channels:
1) A sense of community.
2) Great for clan communication
3) Great for communication with friends
4) A good way for keeping in touch
5) A way for meeting new people
6) A good medium for organizing tournaments
7) More power to the community (i.e private channels)
8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions
9) Channels give life to B.Net
The list goes on... Did you get a sense of community in those screenshots I posted? How about any people you'd be interested in meeting? Did you see any discussions taking place at all? Please be realisitic and take a look at chat channels as they are, not as we remember them or as they would be in a perfect world. At the moment, they are neither. And one could argue that it's the gaming experience that gives life to B.net, not the ability to use it as a makeshift IRC.
Most of the people posting already showed you why you're using a straw man argument. A couple screenshots of BW USA-1, etc. with some spam. It's true, but it has nothing to do with the experience of a private channel.
On May 28 2010 13:23 Cola.bier wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is how you find games on iCCup. That's what the ladder channels are for. iCCup doesn't have a matchmaking system. This is largely not relevant for Battle.net 2.0 because it has a modern matchmaking system. I dont know anybody who actually finds a game this way. I just open a game or join one - not too hard, is it? I kinda laughed when i read a176s post, but I hope he is aware of the fact that this is just a temporary solution because blizzard wants to TEST THINGS IN A BETA. fucking stupid blizzard, how can they dare using the beta to try out things Beta is not made to have tournaments running and people play competive. those things are done, but that is not why we have the beta. €: PS: if you want something like IRC, then use IRC (:
You don't know anyone who finds a game by spamming 1v1 D Desti? Have you been to a ladder channel on iCCup?
The point of having built-in chat channels is so you don't have to alt-tab just to meet people and then tab back to SC2 and find their profile and send them a friend invite and a party invite and- It's a more connected experience. It's more social, and it's easier to meet new people to play with. You pop out of a game and BAM, you're in some channel and you meet up with a couple people through your mutual friend and go play with them. It's great.
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I think the obvious compromise would be to leave out Public chat channels and integrate some form of private channels.
Clearly, public channels are cesspools of ignorance, immaturity, and detrimental activity; their removal would be to the benefit of all, in my honest opinion.
Private chats allow easy, quick, and most importantly, in-game communication between large parties of people. It is certainly integral to building a community,from a personal perspective I must admit that the only friends on my account are ones that were added via facebook.
Very little chat occurs within game, and not because of anti-social behavior, but because it's difficult to chat during a match and most people are too focused playing. If there was say, a TL private channel, then I imagine I would have met and chatted to a far greater number of people.
Private channels allow like-minded players to gather and socialize in a ladder system that is set up in a way that those same players may never get to play each other through random matches, and therefore there only interaction is through private chat.
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On May 28 2010 13:24 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 13:16 Cola.bier wrote:On May 28 2010 13:04 Tsagacity wrote:First of all, I believe that everyone will agree that chat rooms have no place in beta. Strongly disagree. Community involvement can be a huge aid in developing the strategies and balance of the game. And I strongly agree with the others criticizing the use of public channels as an option. I don't think people are worred about Starcraft USA-15 I hope this was a sarcastic comment. In a public channel, were everyboy can write (and spam), including total noobs and boons, how the heck are you gonna develop strategies and builds there and find balance issues? 8[ I agree with the guy who made the thread, nobody needs public channels. Sometimes I wish though that there were private channels. When you are playing some 1n1 matches with some friends and everybody brings some more friends to obs the games it is a pain in the ass to invite everyboy into the games, instead of just posting the gamename into the channel or seeing who wants to obs by checking the channel. But since you now have that button to invite people into games even if you are not the host this all has become much easier. Just stop crying about everything! Where the hell did I say those people discussing strategy would do it in a public channel? Also, when did this discussion become about PUBLIC chat channels? This is about any chat channels in general. There is HUGE difference between not having public chat channels and not having chat channels at all. Blizzard has said that we will not have ANY chat channels at release. That's what we're talking about.
Well then, I don't know about you but when I discuss builds with friends I either do it on forums like this one or i do it while i am at teamspeak/skype/whatever with them.
I don't need a private battle.net channel for that.
Also it is still possible to chat with multiple people via battle.net, kinda like a private channel.
I still don't see why we should need channels.
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The friends feature as it currently exists is too cumbersome to manage tournaments or even practice partners with. Chat channels would allow tournament organization to be much more streamlined. Right now if you need to play someone in a tournament, your only option is to add them to your friends list, which bloats your friends list and is cumbersome. Having private hubs where players can communicate can only be good.
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