EPTI'm Glad Channels Aren't A Part Of Battle.net 2.0 - Page 2
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
Are we opporating under the assumption that, if battle.net 2.0 had chat channels in this beta phase, they would be used for highly intelligent discussion about balance as opposed to what's taking place on these here Team Liquid forums (at best), or being spammed with "FUK U DUTSIN BOWSER U NERF ROACHES I DESLIEK U!!1!" after every patch (at worst)? Be realistic. See that's the beauty about channels--anyone can use them for anything they want to. Why does the fact that some people are idiots in their channels mean that we shouldn't have channels available for intelligent discussion.If you don't like a channel then don't join it. The rest of us like our large gaming communities though, and it would be nice if we could interact with that community without having to alt tab and open up a browser. | ||
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
Fact is, the IM system is not more practical then chat channels for what we use battle.net for. So if you're going to bag a system for being too old you better given a better reason for the occasional spam because the IM system by no means eclipses chat channels in anyway. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
You may have missed out on the experience of op channels used for clans / teams / friends, but of course the main channels are expected to be filled with spam. From the beginning they were pretty low quality, and degraded from there. However, channels like op tot) and channels in which friends hang out in were absolutely CRUCIAL and necessary, it's a shame that it's not in Bnet 2.0 right now and I believe it's a big mistake if chat channels are not implemented. I could just as well go on to bnet, find some quality chat channels and post some screenshots of the conversations on those channels. It all depends on what channel you're in, and if you want quality conversation, leave the main channels. The channels provided a very vital function, in my opinion. | ||
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Anyway, I'm not to sure about chatrooms (i'm not a pro or a con on this one).. Since sometimes talking to someone hinders me from laddering and practicing at the same time I feel like I'm a robot without who isn't communicating with anyone. I guess Chatrooms are need by people who have teams/clans. | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On May 28 2010 12:59 Whiplash wrote: It was a joke, I think most people would prefer blizzard implemented bnet channels over facebook integration. I would like you to explain to me what exactly is so awful about the Facebook integration. To be specific, the Facebook integration we have now, not your nightmare distopia vision of what it could possibly maybe become because you think Blizzard is greedy. On May 28 2010 13:11 jacen wrote: source for both of those claims? maybe i missed it back then, but niether roc beta nor tft beta blizz said online replays would make it into the final game. same goes with chatrooms ... can't recall any bluepost recently that says there will be chatrooms in bnet 2.0. The interview I quoted in the OP said they're working on something better. On May 28 2010 13:11 Crabman123 wrote: I read the whole article. Chat channels are the answer to ALOT of problems. If there was a better alternative then I would not be mad that there are no chat channels in SC2. But until then chat channels should be implemented. It just makes so many things easier. I wish we could live in a world where there was a better alternative than chat channels but there just isn't any. The interview I quoted in the OP said they're working on this alternative. It's unrealistic to expect that these systems just magically develop themselves. | ||
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DanceDance
226 Posts
i.e Good things about channels: 1) A sense of community. 2) Great for clan communication 3) Great for communication with friends 4) A good way for keeping in touch 5) A way for meeting new people 6) A good medium for organizing tournaments 7) More power to the community (i.e private channels) 8) Great for both one on one discussions and large discussions 9) Channels give life to B.Net The list goes on... | ||
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Ai.Cola
Germany236 Posts
On May 28 2010 13:04 Tsagacity wrote: Strongly disagree. Community involvement can be a huge aid in developing the strategies and balance of the game. And I strongly agree with the others criticizing the use of public channels as an option. I don't think people are worred about Starcraft USA-15 I hope this was a sarcastic comment. In a public channel, were everyboy can write (and spam), including total noobs and boons, how the heck are you gonna develop strategies and builds there and find balance issues? 8[ I agree with the guy who made the thread, nobody needs public channels. Sometimes I wish though that there were private channels. When you are playing some 1n1 matches with some friends and everybody brings some more friends to obs the games it is a pain in the ass to invite everyboy into the games, instead of just posting the gamename into the channel or seeing who wants to obs by checking the channel. But since you now have that button to invite people into games even if you are not the host this all has become much easier. Just stop crying about everything! | ||
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Thingdo
United States186 Posts
I have however played quite a bit of HoN, which also has chat channels. I've only seen them used for one thing: trash talking after games. Everything else is handled by using friends lists and private message features. A friend of mine who also plays HoN was upset about chat channels being removed from SC2 (he is an oldschool BW player), and I asked him why seeing how pointless the HoN chat channels are. The only answer he could give me was that "Broodwar was different". So I'm left to wonder, is it mainly due to nostalgia that people are upset about channels being removed, or is there some tangible benefit they had over other systems? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
post your email here so we can add you to our friends list then. | ||
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oBlade
United States5583 Posts
You also find some people being social retards. That's just how some people are. Where's the pic of op awesomechannel? clan hugefuckingballers? On May 28 2010 12:54 ComradeDover wrote: Is it any different on ICCup? Take a step back. Log onto ICCup and read the chat going on in the channel. How much of it is comprised of "D-/D/D+ DESTI GOGO" spammed over and over and over again? This is how you find games on iCCup. That's what the ladder channels are for. iCCup doesn't have a matchmaking system. This is largely not relevant for Battle.net 2.0 because it has a modern matchmaking system. On May 28 2010 12:54 ComradeDover wrote: I love my friends and I love the StarCraft community. A workable feature to talk to my fellow players would be great. I love tournaments, and I would love nothing more than for them to have an easier time organizing. But let's not delude ourselves. Chat channels ala Bnet 1.0 are NOT the answer to these problems. How about chat channels a la IRC? | ||
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On May 28 2010 13:13 Tsagacity wrote: See that's the beauty about channels--anyone can use them for anything they want to. Why does the fact that some people are idiots in their channels mean that we shouldn't have channels available for intelligent discussion. If you don't like a channel then don't join it. The rest of us like our large gaming communities though, and it would be nice if we could interact with that community without having to alt tab and open up a browser. I was going to write a small bit about "not joining channels". I guess it must have slipped my mind in between trying to get the images just right. There have been lots of complains about WC3's implementation of battle.net 1.0's UI, how the chain animations take up too much time, etc etc. But one thing they did 100% right is that they don't automatically dump you into a channel when you log on, and let you enter games without ever bothering with the chat channel experience. The problem with this is that you didn't have access to your friend list or the whisper feature when not in a game or chat channel, and people couldn't message you either. That isn't perfect either. On May 28 2010 13:13 Lazix wrote: If you're going to replace a tried and proven system, you better well replace it with something more practical and not just because it feels modern. And Blizzard has stated in the interview I quoted in the OP that they're working on something more practical. It's great that they're addressing these concerns, isn't it?  On May 28 2010 13:13 Lazix wrote: Fact is, the IM system is not more practical then chat channels for what we use battle.net for. So if you're going to bag a system for being too old you better given a better reason for the occasional spam because the IM system by no means eclipses chat channels in anyway. The IM system alone is not what the final communications system in battle.net 2.0 will look like. I think it's a huge fallacy to assume that what we have now, in the first of several beta phases, is what the final product will look like. Note that I'm saying final product and not product at launch. | ||
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
On May 28 2010 13:14 Disarray wrote: hey i know. you could GET RID OF PUBLIC CHANNELS. ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED this. Sadly public channels have always been the place for spaming adds and the house of bots. I can hardly remember last time i spoke something interesting to someone in a public channel on Bnet or ICCUP. Private chat rooms tho, is a must. | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
Private chat options for clans and such would be a good thing to have; but public channels are useless. | ||
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Mr.E
United States434 Posts
Public channels were only useless to people who didn't fucking find a use for them. Plenty of us did, and we miss them for a reason. I'm tired and afraid of Blizzard taking the bullshit being spewed from their largely ignorant player base seriously. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5420 Posts
On May 28 2010 13:11 jacen wrote: source for both of those claims? maybe i missed it back then, but niether roc beta nor tft beta blizz said online replays would make it into the final game. . Blizzard never claimed they would put online replays in War3. Definitely not. | ||
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oBlade
United States5583 Posts
On May 28 2010 13:15 ComradeDover wrote: I would like you to explain to me what exactly is so awful about the Facebook integration. To be specific, the Facebook integration we have now, not your nightmare distopia vision of what it could possibly maybe become because you think Blizzard is greedy. Sure. I don't play Starcraft with Facebook friends. If you do, great. It's great to play Starcraft with people you know in real life. You can even invite them over for a LAN pa- I don't add my e-friends to Facebook. | ||
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