Once I buy the damn game, I should be able to fucking do whatever the shit I want to do with it.
If I've bought 100 copies of the game legally, and then set up my own mini tournament using those games and set up a prize pool, I shouldn't need to ASK Blizzard on whether I can set up a tournament or not.
They're trying to expand this idea of "intellectual property" rights into something completely absurd. We already acknowledge that the game was made by Blizzard and that any other game that attempts to copy the game is an infringement on IP rights. But to go this far... the fuck....?
LOL Makes me laugh in disgust.
It doesn't matter if they're nice about it like: "Hey blizzard, can I run a school tourney?" "Yeah! Have fun!"
Fuck their "kindness." We shouldn't have to ask, no, the other organizations that actually took action and brought Starcraft into the e-sports scene should NOT have to ask permission from blizzard.
Dont know if this is old i just checked my bnet acc and it was there.
Check this part:
Additional License Limitations. blah blah blah...You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
C. use the Service for any "e-sports" or group competition sponsored, promoted or facilitated by any commercial or non-profit entity without Blizzard's prior written consent.
Im really sad that Blizzard is turning into a cashmachine instead of the great game makers that they used to be...
Your toughts, and keep it clean
This really isn't a big deal guys. All it is saying is that an established group cannot use the game for an event without permission. If it's a couple people playing a tournament, that's fine. It seems more of a safety clause than something that is going to be regularly enforced. I also highly doubt blizzard will reject any TL event.
- You and your friends can still have LANs, tournaments, or anything without worrying about this. Even if you managed to technically violate the TOS in some way, Blizzard wouldn't bother to enforce it.
- A website or TV company that wants to have a sponsored SC2 competition will very likely need approval from Blizzard. The other adjectives besides "sponsored" are there to cover loopholes. They all basically mean what we think of as "sponsored".
Also, more money for Blizzard leads to more or better updates to SC2 from Blizzard, so Blizzard making money is in itself good for us. I'm sure there are downsides to this decision, as always, but it's logical to agree with this decision unless you believe the downsides are worse than what we gain in return.
Moreover, if you're making something (money, exposure, etc.) from running an SC2 competition with major help or sponsorship from some other corporation, then I don't think it's unreasonable for Blizzard to ask for a piece of the large pie, anyway.
Kespa just got owned. With an ownage stick. That is, presumably, somewhat what this is about. Very nice wording that lets people kind of do their own stuff, but means kespa's model needs to come begging to bliz on their knees to be able to function. Funtimes.
On May 28 2010 07:03 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Great game makers have bills, too.
Every time someone makes a comment like this, regarding some huge corporation making sure they secure any potential profits, it's a slap in the face to everyone out there who actually does have to worry about paying bills. Or, you know, worse.
Oh yeah, don't forget that everyone who wants Blizzard to make SC2 more of a competitive game should be happy to hear this.
Now there is a very clear link between Blizzard making SC2 better for competitive players and Blizzard getting more revenue in return. SC2 becoming a widely successful e-sports game => Blizzard making significant revenue from the resulting e-sports tournaments, so they have a lot more motivation to make that their goal.
On May 28 2010 07:56 Destro wrote: in this thread: people over reacting and thinks this will actually effect them playing in tournaments.
seriously, its legal jargon, they arent screwing you out of tournies. Chill.
It's not like we could do anything about it anyway. But if this kind of "legal jargon" had excisted at bw release, there wouldnt be a kespa vs blizzard argument, but kespa would basically be blizzards bitch so ofcourse it would've had an effect about bw tourneys. So why not sc2?
I don't think blizzard should have the right to do this, but they do. If it wasn't for competitve korean gamers like boxer, blizzard wouldn't know what epsorts are.
On May 28 2010 07:56 Destro wrote: in this thread: people over reacting and thinks this will actually effect them playing in tournaments.
seriously, its legal jargon, they arent screwing you out of tournies. Chill.
It's not like we could do anything about it anyway. But if this kind of "legal jargon" had excisted at bw release, there wouldnt be a kespa vs blizzard argument, but kespa would basically be blizzards bitch so ofcourse it would've had an effect about bw tourneys. So why not sc2?
Sorry you mis-understood, I was speaking about amateur tournies. aka not pro level.
for the players like you and i this really doesn't mean much. kespa should be dropping trow and bending over right about now though
This has been pretty much the obvious trajectory of blizzard's attempt to solidify their hold on their IP. If people don't start being very vocal and very persuasive this isn't going to end well for the game.
Or we can sit back and accept what we're being spoonfed despite the fact that the majority of the game content was player created or stolen from other companies in the first place.
On May 28 2010 08:19 L wrote: Hey, what's up guys.
This has been pretty much the obvious trajectory of blizzard's attempt to solidify their hold on their IP. If people don't start being very vocal and very persuasive this isn't going to end well for the game.
Or we can sit back and accept what we're being spoonfed despite the fact that the majority of the game content was player created or stolen from other companies in the first place.
Your call.
sorry off topic a bit, but what content was stolen from other games.. im highly confused.
This, and more significantly SC2 having no LAN option, means there won't be any SC2 starleagues in Korea. It just doesn't make any sense to invest into building a brand when Blizzard can pull the plug whenever they want.
Browder mentioned you need to ask for permission if you're organizing any tournament at all sometime ago in an interview, from what I could gather, it's just or mostly a manner of keeping track of what's happening not a way to cash into the prize money and suck the sponsor's blood.
(It's somewhere in the link above I'm not sure which part though, but it was an interesting interview, some of the things they mention already happened or are happening.)
On May 28 2010 08:19 L wrote: Hey, what's up guys.
This has been pretty much the obvious trajectory of blizzard's attempt to solidify their hold on their IP. If people don't start being very vocal and very persuasive this isn't going to end well for the game.
Or we can sit back and accept what we're being spoonfed despite the fact that the majority of the game content was player created or stolen from other companies in the first place.
Your call.
sorry off topic a bit, but what content was stolen from other games.. im highly confused.
Games Workshop's tabletop series were gutted as the design base for WC and SC.
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