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zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
March 30 2010 21:36 GMT
#1
I just played a game with the most recent patch and the nerf to Psi Storm hurts. The radius is much smaller and I wish to let protoss players know that they will need to have more HT in order to have it be as effective as before. Be careful since its tricky to get the placement of the new storms to be nearly as effective as before.
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
March 30 2010 21:37 GMT
#2
Want to try and post some screenshots of the new area it covers? This post doesn't help at all.
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:28:01
March 30 2010 21:42 GMT
#3
It is reduced by 25% That's all you need to hear. I really wish they had rather decreased the damage output rather than the range.
p.s. i was indeed talking about the radius
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
March 30 2010 21:44 GMT
#4
On March 31 2010 06:42 Talic_Zealot wrote:
It is reduced by 25% That's all you need to hear. I really wish they had rather decreased the damage output rather than the range.

I agree with the damage/area comment, but in fact the area was nerfed by half. The radius was reduced by 25%.
iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
March 30 2010 21:45 GMT
#5
On March 31 2010 06:42 Talic_Zealot wrote:
It is reduced by 25% That's all you need to hear. I really wish they had rather decreased the damage output rather than the range.

area reduced by ~45%..
IdrA: stalkers actually do negative damage. when you shoot a marine with a stalker it gains health.
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
March 30 2010 21:46 GMT
#6
2.0 to 1.5 seems like a reduction of exactly 25%, actually.

And a visual is a lot easier to understand than saying "Man it's nerfed!" We already know that.
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
FeeL_ThE_RusH
Profile Joined February 2010
Ireland227 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 21:47:59
March 30 2010 21:47 GMT
#7
On March 31 2010 06:46 yarkO wrote:
2.0 to 1.5 seems like a reduction of exactly 25%, actually.

And a visual is a lot easier to understand than saying "Man it's nerfed!" We already know that.


radius reduction of 25% means a larger area reduction than 25%, just an fyi
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radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
March 30 2010 21:50 GMT
#8
On March 31 2010 06:47 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 06:46 yarkO wrote:
2.0 to 1.5 seems like a reduction of exactly 25%, actually.

And a visual is a lot easier to understand than saying "Man it's nerfed!" We already know that.


radius reduction of 25% means a larger area reduction than 25%, just an fyi


I think they've done this because the units group together much more than in sc1. since they group more, a smaller area means it is closer to how it is in sc1.
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bh.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States342 Posts
March 30 2010 21:50 GMT
#9
3.14*r^2 people... lol


12.56---> 7.065

about 44% reduction of area.
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
March 30 2010 21:52 GMT
#10
Storm before
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Storm after
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 30 2010 21:53 GMT
#11
Yeah, I had to get about 6-8 templar together before the guy started complaining about imba storm was, asking how much they cost and then leaving with a 'omfg'.

Shoulda only needed 3-4. Feedbacking infestors is still more fun though. [He almost killed my 2 gate robo expo with 1 basehydra ling infestor fungal growth/neutral immortal, what the hell?
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 30 2010 21:54 GMT
#12
hey could everyone stop the whole "look how fucking smart i am" shit? no ones impressed, it was annoying in the other thread, and its annoyin in this one

try getting along with other posters and contributing to discussion rather than waving your tiny E peens around.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 21:56:40
March 30 2010 21:55 GMT
#13
Are storms still viable now then?
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 30 2010 21:58 GMT
#14
On March 31 2010 06:55 Newguy wrote:
Are storms still viable now then?


of course >_< the patch JUST happened, you wont be able to spam it and melt everything, but its a spell, a supporting spell, which will bolster the power of your army
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520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
March 30 2010 21:59 GMT
#15
On March 31 2010 06:54 mOnion wrote:
hey could everyone stop the whole "look how fucking smart i am" shit? no ones impressed, it was annoying in the other thread, and its annoyin in this one

try getting along with other posters and contributing to discussion rather than waving your tiny E peens around.

People wouldn't need to be corrected if they weren't wrong in the first place. No point in letting people believe false information is true.
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zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
March 30 2010 22:02 GMT
#16
Forgive me for this next question, but how do you take a screenshot in game? Once I know, i'll post a picture
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:03:25
March 30 2010 22:03 GMT
#17
print scrn + paint + imageshack
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iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
March 30 2010 22:03 GMT
#18
On March 31 2010 06:55 Newguy wrote:
Are storms still viable now then?

vs mmm yes.. Anything else probably not.
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zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
March 30 2010 22:04 GMT
#19
On March 31 2010 07:03 mOnion wrote:
print scrn + paint + imageshack


Im sorry, but that doesnt really say much. imageshack?

I should also clarify that i'm new to PC
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 30 2010 22:09 GMT
#20
On March 31 2010 07:03 iounas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 06:55 Newguy wrote:
Are storms still viable now then?

vs mmm yes.. Anything else probably not.


not true.

also when you're ingame, press print scrn, its a button above your backspace. once you've done that you can paste (ctrl + V) into the Paint application, and save it as a .jpg, .png, whatever.

then in order to post it on the internet, you have to host it with an imagehosting site such as

imageshack
tinypic

or others
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DiTH
Profile Joined March 2010
Greece116 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:10:31
March 30 2010 22:09 GMT
#21
But really in the end we will make 1-2 templars just to feedback ghosts and not bother with storm.Most of Terrans anyway have almost completely skipped Marines and marauders have enough hp to move out of such small radius.
Have to test going Colossi and have 2 templars for feedback only.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
March 30 2010 22:11 GMT
#22
On March 31 2010 07:04 zanderfever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 07:03 mOnion wrote:
print scrn + paint + imageshack


Im sorry, but that doesnt really say much. imageshack?

I should also clarify that i'm new to PC

Step 1: During a game press your print screen button on your keyboard. (near the top right corner, labeled as PrtScn).

Step 2: Open up the program paint. Paste (Ctrl + V). Save image.

Step 3: Go to an image hosting site such as tinypic.com, and upload your picture.
zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
March 30 2010 22:13 GMT
#23
On March 31 2010 07:09 mOnion wrote:

also when you're ingame, press print scrn, its a button above your backspace. once you've done that you can paste (ctrl + V) into the Paint application, and save it as a .jpg, .png, whatever.

then in order to post it on the internet, you have to host it with an imagehosting site such as

imageshack
tinypic

or others


For some reason I only get a picture of my desktop when I do that. Do you know how to fix this?
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:15:38
March 30 2010 22:14 GMT
#24
On March 31 2010 07:09 DiTH wrote:
But really in the end we will make 1-2 templars just to feedback ghosts and not bother with storm.Most of Terrans anyway have almost completely skipped Marines and marauders have enough hp to move out of such small radius.
Have to test going Colossi and have 2 templars for feedback only.


if he makes pure marauder you can mass immortals from 2 robos in no time and roll him. marines are necessary dps in the current build, so they'll have to have some mixed in which is where colossi or temps come in.

ALSO you could feedback and storm. yeh both! so crazy.

hmmm i smell a troll.
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Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
March 30 2010 22:18 GMT
#25
Pressing print screen makes the game take its own screenshot actually which gets saved as a jpg in a subfolder of your main sc2 beta one in 'my documents'.
TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
March 30 2010 22:19 GMT
#26
Let r := the radius of the old psi storm.

Area of a circle = pi*r^2

% area reduction = 1 - (new area) / (old area)
% area reduction = 1 - pi * (0.75r)^2 / pi *r^2
% area reduction = 1 - 0.75^2 = 1 - 0.5625 = 0.4375 = 43.75%
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iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
March 30 2010 22:19 GMT
#27
Somebody test if speedlings can run trough a casted storm and still live..
I think they might make it.
IdrA: stalkers actually do negative damage. when you shoot a marine with a stalker it gains health.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 30 2010 22:22 GMT
#28
On March 31 2010 07:19 TossFloss wrote:
Let r := the radius of the old psi storm.

Area of a circle = pi*r^2

% area reduction = 1 - (new area) / (old area)
% area reduction = 1 - pi * (0.75r)^2 / pi *r^2
% area reduction = 1 - 0.75^2 = 1 - 0.5625 = 0.4375 = 43.75%


HEY guess what? we get it T_T its been posted like a million times. who cares about the exact percentage.
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zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
March 30 2010 22:24 GMT
#29
[image loading]


Notice in comparison to the HT the smaller damage radius
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
March 30 2010 22:25 GMT
#30
I think the radius nerf may have been a bit too much. Protoss units have been getting the nerf stick pretty bad lately...
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:28:10
March 30 2010 22:26 GMT
#31
To be precise, Psi Storm only has 56.25% the area it used to have (deduction of 43.75%). I'm not going to let people believe it "only" had a deduction of 25% when that's terribly wrong >.>

It takes 2 seconds (4 ticks) of Storm to kill a speedling. Speedlings have a movement speed of 4.6991. I BELIEVE that is Matrices per Second; if so, a Speedling should be able to escape taking maybe only 1 tick, while the old storm would mean the Speedling would take maybe 2.

Zerglings, on the other hand, having a movement speed of 2.9531...Hmm. The old storm would cause 3 ticks to be taken, and the new storm would mean 2 ticks.

Note how WRONG a statement of "only 25% decrease" is. It's terribly wrong, and bad if people don't actually realize it. If it takes 2839473 times to get it into peoples' heads, so be it.
TrainReq
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada113 Posts
March 30 2010 22:29 GMT
#32
On March 31 2010 07:22 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 07:19 TossFloss wrote:
Let r := the radius of the old psi storm.

Area of a circle = pi*r^2

% area reduction = 1 - (new area) / (old area)
% area reduction = 1 - pi * (0.75r)^2 / pi *r^2
% area reduction = 1 - 0.75^2 = 1 - 0.5625 = 0.4375 = 43.75%


HEY guess what? we get it T_T its been posted like a million times. who cares about the exact percentage.


I've been reading the SC2 boards quite frequently over the last few days, and I've noticed that you are ALWAYS telling somebody to stop talking in some way, or arguing, or just plain being an asshole. Your incessant need to argue with others truly rivals nobody elses' that I've seen on TL. I just wanted to say: You look like a moron, and you aren't making friends.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
March 30 2010 22:29 GMT
#33
On March 31 2010 07:25 Whiplash wrote:
I think the radius nerf may have been a bit too much. Protoss units have been getting the nerf stick pretty bad lately...


its cuz protoss is pretty good! lots of splash damage, and templar can be INSTA warped in with a storm already ready to go (with energy upgrade)

i play toss and think this is fine. it makes sense.
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TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
March 30 2010 22:29 GMT
#34
On March 31 2010 07:22 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 07:19 TossFloss wrote:
Let r := the radius of the old psi storm.

Area of a circle = pi*r^2

% area reduction = 1 - (new area) / (old area)
% area reduction = 1 - pi * (0.75r)^2 / pi *r^2
% area reduction = 1 - 0.75^2 = 1 - 0.5625 = 0.4375 = 43.75%


HEY guess what? we get it T_T its been posted like a million times. who cares about the exact percentage.


Geez. Touchy topic. ^_^
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yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
March 30 2010 22:31 GMT
#35
Forgive my simpleton math, I'm not denying what you guys are saying about the radius. 2 > 1.5 (to idiots like me) looks like straightforward in the way I presented it.

Sorry for the ignorance! Didn't mean to stir up anything.
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Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
March 30 2010 22:32 GMT
#36
Jesus people.. I was talking about the radius reduction.. probably should have clarified but still.. It wasn't necessary for 10 people to prove the difference between radius and volume.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 22:38:00
March 30 2010 22:32 GMT
#37
On March 31 2010 07:29 TrainReq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 07:22 mOnion wrote:
On March 31 2010 07:19 TossFloss wrote:
Let r := the radius of the old psi storm.

Area of a circle = pi*r^2

% area reduction = 1 - (new area) / (old area)
% area reduction = 1 - pi * (0.75r)^2 / pi *r^2
% area reduction = 1 - 0.75^2 = 1 - 0.5625 = 0.4375 = 43.75%


HEY guess what? we get it T_T its been posted like a million times. who cares about the exact percentage.


I've been reading the SC2 boards quite frequently over the last few days, and I've noticed that you are ALWAYS telling somebody to stop talking in some way, or arguing, or just plain being an asshole. Your incessant need to argue with others truly rivals nobody elses' that I've seen on TL. I just wanted to say: You look like a moron, and you aren't making friends.


bummer. i hate looking like a moron.

over the past few days i've tried posting in the SC2 forums because there seems to be an oversaturation of new people posting solely in those forums, and i love the TL community the way it was before the beta came out, so i tried posting in the threads to help ppl out. such as how to deal with MMM+tank, or explaining why mass spine crawlers is a bad idea

BUT people who are new are very upset that they dont know as much about how in depth of a game starcraft can be, so they lash out with some pretty hateful things to say. i've been nothing but cordial in all my posts.

you however, called me a moron. ty. i will add it to the list of things i've been called the last 24 hrs, right along with "downs" and "incompetent".

and i've never told someone to stop talking. not my style.
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iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
March 30 2010 22:35 GMT
#38
On March 31 2010 07:32 Talic_Zealot wrote:
Jesus people.. I was talking about the radius reduction.. probably should have clarified but still.. It wasn't necessary for 10 people to prove the difference between radius and volume.

lol.. Volume? Storms arent 3d.
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
March 30 2010 22:35 GMT
#39
On March 31 2010 07:32 Talic_Zealot wrote:
Jesus people.. I was talking about the radius reduction.. probably should have clarified but still.. It wasn't necessary for 10 people to prove the difference between radius and volume.


You mean radius and area.

On March 31 2010 06:42 Talic_Zealot wrote:
It is reduced by 25% That's all you need to hear. I really wish they had rather decreased the damage output rather than the range.
p.s. i was indeed talking about the radius


That's not all we need to hear. Sure, you may have meant radius, but saying "It has 25% less radius," while being correct, does not exemplify just how much storm we're losing.
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
March 30 2010 22:57 GMT
#40
I've been using storm since the patch, and its fine. Just make sure you aim it well and dont let them run out of it so easily..
IMO its fine.. still does a shit ton of damage, you just need to use it correctly, having a few extra ht's just in case doesn't hurt tho
Why?
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
March 30 2010 23:05 GMT
#41
On March 31 2010 06:52 djWHEAT wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Storm before
[image loading]

Storm after
[image loading]



I lol'd
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 30 2010 23:13 GMT
#42
Technically its a cylinder because it hits air...

43.75% lets move on please.
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Dr_Strange
Profile Joined April 2009
United States80 Posts
March 30 2010 23:15 GMT
#43
Air units are based on circles on the 2d plane, so it is still 2d.
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