EPTI tried search for some zerg replays in TL,WGtour,PGtour... is there way that erg can fast expand when T is rines rushing? in LT it's easy to fast ex... but in Gaema there r 2 ways... cant defend...
Zerg in Gaema Gowon
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
I tried search for some zerg replays in TL,WGtour,PGtour... is there way that erg can fast expand when T is rines rushing? in LT it's easy to fast ex... but in Gaema there r 2 ways... cant defend... | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Overlord
Romania651 Posts
On March 09 2004 13:53 Neminski wrote: 12 hatch 11 pool, micro rines to death with drones, make lings first, then make 3rd hatch (don't make gas or something yet) on cliff next to your min only, so you cover both entrances. When he's getting m&m, put 2 sunk at least on that cliff, and as many as you need down below. Power alot and just do hydra/lurk shit, or muta/ling, whatever you want. Good rine micro will easily beat slow lings. I'd rather get fast speed up and drones back to minerals from gas, but it doesn't worth it. You usually fast expo to have an eco advantage, but in our case you will lose more than u gain | ||
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Placing it there allows you to defend your main with 1 hatch. Your expo isnt as fast but you wont die to a player who walks around your nat and into your main. | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
On March 09 2004 16:22 FakeSteve)307 wrote: I 11hatch 10pool personally, and i place my 2nd hatchery below my ramp. Placing it there allows you to defend your main with 1 hatch. Your expo isnt as fast but you wont die to a player who walks around your nat and into your main. hmmm I think that is a really good idea! I'll try use those thx ^^ 12 hat 11 pool should work if u put the HAt below the ramp, wouldn't it? | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
namja iyagi P +0.25 Z -2 T +0.75 weakest zerg neo forbidden zone P +1.25 Z -2 T -0.25 weakest zerg neo bifrost P -2.75 Z +1 T -2.25 weakest protoss, weakest terran neo vertigo P -2.75 Z +0 T +4.75 weakest protoss, strongest terran neo guillotine P -2.75 Z +3 T +0.75 weakest protoss, strongest zerg gaema gowun P +3.25 Z -2 T +0.75 strongest protoss, weakest zerg paradoxxx2 P +3.25 Z -2 T -2.25 strongest protoss, weakest terran, weakest zerg nostalgia P +0.25 Z +4 T -2.25 strongest zerg, weakest terran | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
neo bifrost P -2.75 Z +1 T -2.25 weakest protoss, weakest terran How does that work? .... Oh I see... the answer lies right here: secret internal stimey documents that will NOT be explained nor corroborated(sp): | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
 well i can say that those numbers are relative to eachother and a combines matchups, so a map that has z>>p but t>>z equally the sum would be "z is fair" even though its obviously not. i posted it because i wanted to see how close the numbers that came out correspond to how people view the actual maps | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On March 09 2004 15:05 Overlord wrote: Good rine micro will easily beat slow lings. I'd rather get fast speed up and drones back to minerals from gas, but it doesn't worth it. You usually fast expo to have an eco advantage, but in our case you will lose more than u gain That's why you should read my post and see that I'll just build as many sunken as I need with late tech. If he does some fast dropship build, of course you must adapt to it with some speedling in your main. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Of course its a gamble build and relies on perfect ling control. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 09 2004 21:38 myaccountmessup wrote: hmmm I think that is a really good idea! I'll try use those thx ^^ 12 hat 11 pool should work if u put the HAt below the ramp, wouldn't it? It should. The only reason i 11/10 is because its easier to defend vs bunkers and whatnot. you can 12/11 also though. I think travis' advice is better though, you should listen to him instead of me | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
If you are really worried about fag-style T openings, just 10-12 pool before hatch(Then make a hatch or two where you can line up sunkens). Gaema is unique because although it has two ramps, there is no unreachable raised cliff like on Lost Temple making tank drop/cliffing worthless. Unfortunately whoever made Gaema Gowon is a fucking idiot and didn't see it fit to make all the bases more unified, so some positions are absolutely horrible for a Z player(3 on Shin Gaema comes to mind due to it's wide lower choke and upper choke being completely seperate from the lower and needing it's own sunken line). My personal preference on the map for a safe start is 9/9 hat/pool and teching straight to lurkers while making as many lings to stop early marines as necessary, hopefully if you are fast enough the timing for your lurkers will make sunken hoarding unnecessary and you will have not wasted a lot of minerals and time and will be in a better position for the mid game than if you had wasted money on the sunken line. You can drone-up later and power all over the map while developing the unit selection of your choice. Gg;; | ||
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
It's Like This.. when i got your nat hat up, T will have about 3-4 rines coming to u (mayb scvS TOO!) then they will just walk up the ramp right away.. even if u 10 hat and got a sucken and some ling there... ling will lose to rines and sucken wont reach those marine which r walking up the ramp... mayb u can get like 1 irne or something... or T can even choose not to walk up the ramp but take the way around your natural hat and sucken and go in your main I think they should make the ramp closer to Natural Expansion so Sucken can reach the ramp and u can put some ling up onthe ramp. | ||
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rOm
Latvia1208 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
make 4 lings hope he did something retarded you lose to everything else | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
edit: im not say ing this is right, im asking casper why it isnt, cuz i dont know :-) | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
One Hatch Lurkers 12 Pool 11 Hatch (or something similar) Early expo with third hat somewhere to cover other entrance really soon. Everything else you run the risk of dieing (I think). | ||
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RickyRicardo
United States7 Posts
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