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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
February 16 2010 04:02 GMT
#1
I was going to name the thread Suck it Taliban but I figured that might show some bias
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February 16, 2010
Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander

By MARK MAZZETTI and DEXTER FILKINS
WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s top military commander was captured several days ago in Karachi, Pakistan, in a secret joint operation by Pakistani and American intelligence forces, according to American government officials.

The commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, is an Afghan described by American officials as the most significant Taliban figure to be detained since the American-led war in Afghanistan started more than eight years ago. He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder and a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks.

Mullah Baradar has been in Pakistani custody for several days, with American and Pakistani intelligence officials both taking part in interrogations, according to the officials.

It was unclear whether he was talking, but the officials said his capture had provided a window into the Taliban and could lead to other senior officials. Most immediately, they hope he will provide the whereabouts of Mullah Omar, the one-eyed cleric who is the group’s spiritual leader.

Disclosure of Mullah Baradar’s capture came as American and Afghan forces were in the midst of a major offensive in southern Afghanistan.

His capture could cripple the Taliban’s military operations, at least in the short term, said Bruce O. Riedel, a former C.I.A. officer who last spring led the Obama administration’s Afghanistan and Pakistan policy review.

Details of the raid remain murky, but officials said that it had been carried out by Pakistan’s military spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, and that C.I.A. operatives had accompanied the Pakistanis.

The New York Times learned of the operation on Thursday, but delayed reporting it at the request of White House officials, who contended that making it public would end a hugely successful intelligence-gathering effort. The officials said that the group’s leaders had been unaware of Mullah Baradar’s capture and that if it became public they might cover their tracks and become more careful about communicating with each other.

The Times is publishing the news now because White House officials acknowledged that the capture of Mullah Baradar was becoming widely known in the region.

Several American government officials gave details about the raid on the condition that they not be named, because the operation was classified.

American officials believe that besides running the Taliban’s military operations, Mullah Baradar runs the group’s leadership council, often called the Quetta Shura because its leaders for years have been thought to be hiding near Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan Province in Pakistan.

The participation of Pakistan’s spy service could suggest a new level of cooperation from Pakistan’s leaders, who have been ambivalent about American efforts to crush the Taliban. Increasingly, the Americans say, senior leaders in Pakistan, including the chief of its army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, have gradually come around to the view that they can no longer support the Taliban in Afghanistan — as they have quietly done for years — without endangering themselves. Indeed, American officials have speculated that Pakistani security officials could have picked up Mullah Baradar long ago.

The officials said that Pakistan was leading the interrogation of Mullah Baradar, but that Americans were also involved. The conditions of the questioning are unclear. In its first week in office, the Obama administration banned harsh interrogations like waterboarding by Americans, but the Pakistanis have long been known to subject prisoners to brutal questioning.

American intelligence officials believe that elements within Pakistan’s security services have covertly supported the Taliban with money and logistical help — largely out of a desire to retain some ally inside Afghanistan for the inevitable day when the Americans leave.

The ability of the Taliban’s top leaders to operate relatively freely inside Pakistan has for years been a source of friction between the ISI and the C.I.A. Americans have complained that they have given ISI operatives the precise locations of Taliban leaders, but that the Pakistanis usually refuse to act.

The Pakistanis have countered that the American intelligence was often outdated, or that faulty information had been fed to the United States by Afghanistan’s intelligence service.

For the moment it is unclear how the capture of Mullah Baradar will affect the overall direction of the Taliban, who have so far refused to disavow Al Qaeda and to accept the Afghan Constitution. American officials have hoped to win over some midlevel members of the group.

Mr. Riedel, the former C.I.A. official, said that he had not heard about Mullah Baradar’s capture before being contacted by The Times, but that the raid constituted a “sea change in Pakistani behavior.”

In recent weeks, American officials have said they have seen indications that the Pakistani military and spy services may finally have begun to distance themselves from the Taliban. One Obama administration official said Monday that the White House had “no reason to think that anybody was double-dealing at all” in aiding in the capture of Mullah Baradar.

A parade of American officials traveling to the Pakistani capital have made the case that the Afghan Taliban are now aligned with groups — like the Pakistani Taliban — that threaten the stability of the Pakistani government.

Mullah Baradar oversees the group’s operations across its primary area of activity in southern and western Afghanistan. While some of the insurgent groups active in Afghanistan receive only general guidance from their leaders, the Taliban are believed to be somewhat hierarchical, with lower-ranking field commanders often taking directions and orders from their leaders across the border.

In an attempt to improve the Taliban’s image both inside the country and abroad, Mullah Baradar last year helped issue a “code of conduct” for Taliban fighters. The handbook, small enough to be carried in the pocket of each Taliban foot soldier, gave specific guidance about topics including how to avoid civilian casualties, how to win the hearts and minds of villagers, and the necessity of limiting suicide attacks to avoid a backlash.

In recent months, a growing number of Taliban leaders are believed to have fled to Karachi, a sprawling, chaotic city in southern Pakistan hundreds of miles from the turbulence of the Afghan frontier. A diplomat based in Kabul, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said in an interview last month that Mullah Omar had moved to Karachi, and that several of his colleagues were there, too.

The leadership council, which includes more than a dozen of the Taliban’s best-known leaders, charts the overall direction of the war, assigns Taliban “shadow governors” to run many Afghan provinces and districts, and chooses battlefield commanders. It also oversees a number of subcommittees that direct other aspects of the war, like political, religious and military affairs.

According to Wahid Muzhda, a former Taliban official in Kabul who stays in touch with former colleagues, the council meets every three or four months to plot strategy. As recently as three years ago, he said, the council had 19 members. Since then, six have been killed or captured. Others have since filled the empty seats, he said.

Among the council members killed were Mullah Dadullah, who died during a raid by NATO and Afghan forces in 2007. Among the captured were Mullah Obaidullah, the Taliban defense minister, who reported to Mr. Baradar.

“The only man more powerful than Baradar is Omar,” Mr. Muzhda said. “He and Omar cannot meet very often because of security reasons, but they have a very good relationship.”

Western and Afghan officials familiar with the workings of the Taliban’s leadership have described Mullah Baradar as one of the Taliban’s most approachable leaders, and the one most ready to negotiate with the Afghan government.

Mediators who have worked to resolve kidnappings and other serious issues have often approached the Taliban leadership through him.

As in the case of the reclusive Mullah Omar, the public details of Mullah Baradar’s life are murky. According to an Interpol alert, he was born in 1968 in Weetmak, a village in Afghanistan’s Oruzgan Province. Terrorism experts describe him as a skilled military leader who runs many high-level meetings of the Taliban’s top commanders in Afghanistan.

In answers to questions submitted by Newsweek last summer, Mullah Baradar said that he could not maintain “continuous contacts” with Mullah Omar, but that he received advice on “important topics” from the cleric.

In the same interview, Mullah Baradar said he welcomed a large increase in American troops in Afghanistan because the Taliban “want to inflict maximum losses on the Americans, which is possible only when the Americans are present here in large numbers and come out of their fortified places.”

Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mullah Baradar was assigned by Mullah Omar to assume overall command of Taliban forces in northern Afghanistan. In that role, he oversaw a large group of battle-hardened Arab and foreign fighters who were based in the northern cities of Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif.

In November 2001, as Taliban forces collapsed after the American invasion, Mullah Baradar and several other senior Taliban leaders were captured by Afghan militia fighters aligned with the United States. But Pakistani intelligence operatives intervened, and Mullah Baradar and the other Taliban leaders were released, according to a senior official of the Northern Alliance, the group of Afghans aligned with the United States.

Mark Mazzetti reported from Washington, and Dexter Filkins from Kabul, Afghanistan. Carlotta Gall contributed reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan.



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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 16 2010 04:03 GMT
#2
YEAAA GET SOOOMMEE
airborne_101
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Mexico71 Posts
February 16 2010 04:04 GMT
#3
nice...
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Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
February 16 2010 04:11 GMT
#4
Wow , nice.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 04:14:06
February 16 2010 04:13 GMT
#5
Oh god yesssssss! I read this just now and came on here to see this topic.

Finally some good Pakistani cooperation. Maybe we can start that pulling out?

Edit: /sarcasm
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 16 2010 04:14 GMT
#6
Well, I guess something did come out of the war :S
Hey! Listen!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
February 16 2010 04:19 GMT
#7
GET IT TALIBAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
February 16 2010 04:24 GMT
#8
They always capture the most significant guy around.
But im glad they did.
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
February 16 2010 04:26 GMT
#9
screw being unbiased. suck it taliban
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
February 16 2010 04:29 GMT
#10
The government actually found someone important they were looking for?
Live to win.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 16 2010 04:39 GMT
#11
good job usa!
:)
-fj.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Samoa462 Posts
February 16 2010 04:41 GMT
#12
Wow, considering the money we spent and lives lost, this is really a big accomplishment
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
February 16 2010 04:42 GMT
#13
Sounds nice, instead of having Americans torture terrorists (bad pr). America can use Pakistani security forces to torture terrorists to gain intelligence.
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bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
February 16 2010 04:42 GMT
#14
in yo fuckin faceeeee
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 16 2010 04:44 GMT
#15
Gets us closer to finishing military operations in Afghanistan, but the current Marjah offensive is way more important. We'll see if they start to cave in after this news breaks out. More importantly, hopefully this is a good testing ground for the Afghan security forces. A stable military instead of just militias would do a whole lot of good for the country. The rebuilding part is still going to take a while.

Also, it'll be interesting to see what the line out of al-Qaeda's network is. They're probably happy, since they're not really getting along with the Taliban these days.
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
February 16 2010 04:48 GMT
#16
On February 16 2010 13:42 T.O.P. wrote:
Sounds nice, instead of having Americans torture terrorists (bad pr). America can use Pakistani security forces to torture terrorists to gain intelligence.


Sounds good to me! GO freedom!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2010 05:00 GMT
#17
I wonder where Omar is hiding, somewhere in Pakistan?

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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
February 16 2010 05:06 GMT
#18
On February 16 2010 14:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I wonder where Omar is hiding, somewhere in Pakistan?

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Right on, brother!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2010 05:07 GMT
#19
I also find it interesting that the NYT sat on this story for 4 days.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 16 2010 05:10 GMT
#20
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.
Never Knows Best.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 05:25:26
February 16 2010 05:16 GMT
#21
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.
This isn't the same thing as killing an al-Qaeda leader. They're two totally different groups from different ethnicities with different goals and interests and structures. You're right, it won't stop terrorism, but the Taliban isn't really a terrorist organization. It's a quasi political movement/party that happens to be Islamist and authoritarian, but it does have a real command structure; their goal isn't to attack the US, it's to rule Afghanistan, something that's not possible without a real structure. The guy's been in power for 8 or so years now, getting him is a pretty significant.


Sigh, I get a feeling that most people don't know the difference. You do at least know they're not Arab, right?
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Darpinion
Profile Joined January 2010
United States210 Posts
February 16 2010 05:19 GMT
#22
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.

You said it
"A well formulated question is more important than the answer." -Albert Einstein
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 05:21:57
February 16 2010 05:20 GMT
#23
On February 16 2010 13:29 aRod wrote:
The government actually found someone important they were looking for?

Yeah well we find important people quite a bit but they usually aren't capture and just assassinated only prob is that assassinations in the taliban just cause a temp disruption from time to time instead of huge ripple effects capture could be very nice.
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 16 2010 05:26 GMT
#24
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


nah bro, it's not who cares. Capturing one of the highest commanders in the ladder is nothing to brush aside lightly. Regardless of how easily his position is placed, it still marks some kind of improvement and advancement of the war.

and i completely agree, terrorism will never cease to exist, however, we can't just ignore it because of that. Not saying i completely agree with the war over there, but it's better than doing nothing and letting the terrorists have their way.

Imagine what could've happened and how much stronger and powerful the taliban or other terrorists could've gotten over the last decade hadn't we gone in
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sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 05:38:23
February 16 2010 05:36 GMT
#25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M\

Also can we go home now?
Can you feel the rush?
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
February 16 2010 05:40 GMT
#26
ppl still actually believe the taliban is responsible for 911?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
February 16 2010 05:46 GMT
#27
On February 16 2010 14:19 Darpinion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.

You said it

i would think after a while they would stop getting new leaders if they keep getting captured/killed..
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51610 Posts
February 16 2010 05:48 GMT
#28
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


this, america after twenty-five+ years, still havent learned from their mistakes of the vietnam war.
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 16 2010 05:49 GMT
#29
On February 16 2010 14:46 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:19 Darpinion wrote:
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.

You said it

i would think after a while they would stop getting new leaders if they keep getting captured/killed..


Nah. It's not a matter of the lives lost. It's more a battle of ideals, they will keep fighting and terrorizing until they're able to regulate their power and ideas to their content, which is NEVER going to happen. Which is why they will never stop what they're doing nor just vanish away.
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 16 2010 05:51 GMT
#30
On February 16 2010 14:48 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


this, america after twenty-five+ years, still havent learned from their mistakes of the vietnam war.


It's different though. You can't make comparisons between the two wars so directly like that. It's not like the Vietnamese that we were fighting back then would've plotted and carried out suicide bombings in american turf.

When we finally left vietnam, that was pretty much the end of the story (if i'm not mistaken). Or atleast I know that they didn't try to attack america again. the same doesn't go when we're fighting against terrorists
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
February 16 2010 05:54 GMT
#31
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


I really want someone to explain this whole military operations won't stop terrorism thing. Is it physically impossible? Are terrorists are set to spawn every year on Jan 1st? It sounds a lot like the notion that it's impossible to win a game of Starcraft by using your army because your opponent will just make new units.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 05:56:21
February 16 2010 05:54 GMT
#32
On February 16 2010 14:48 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


this, america after twenty-five+ years, still havent learned from their mistakes of the vietnam war.

what a defeatist attitude… should the US really give up on fighting oppressive regimes / capturing their leaders just because there "will always be more baddies"? Tomorrow's headlines: US disbands military, pulls troops from Afghanistan; military leaders explain "we can't stop terrorism, they will just promote new guys"

And GTR what does this have to do with Vietnam? I know "blah blah blah Vietnam War blah blah blah" is a nifty way to disparage the US, but you're going to have to explain yourself a bit more than that.
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
February 16 2010 05:56 GMT
#33
On February 16 2010 14:54 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:48 GTR wrote:
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


this, america after twenty-five+ years, still havent learned from their mistakes of the vietnam war.

what a defeatist attitude… should the US really give up on fighting oppressive regimes / capturing their leaders just because there "will always be more baddies"?

And GTR what does this have to do with Vietnam? I know "blah blah blah Vietnam War blah blah blah" is a nifty way to disparage the US, but you're going to have to explain yourself a bit more than that.


Yeah I really don't think the Vietnam analogy is comparable. There are SO many significant factors that are not the same
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 16 2010 06:10 GMT
#34
Give him to the CIA for a few weeks. He'll be talking.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 16 2010 06:12 GMT
#35
On February 16 2010 14:54 Failsafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 14:10 Slaughter wrote:
Who cares... They will just promote some new guys and gain more followers for their fallen leader. Military operations won't stop terrorism.


I really want someone to explain this whole military operations won't stop terrorism thing. Is it physically impossible? Are terrorists are set to spawn every year on Jan 1st? It sounds a lot like the notion that it's impossible to win a game of Starcraft by using your army because your opponent will just make new units.


The idea behind it is that terrorism spawns from hatred of (in this case) the US and that by invading a country you're nourishing that hatred.

I'm not saying that's a completely correct argument btw, but it definitely has its merits.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 16 2010 06:13 GMT
#36
Eh i wanted to rant on how the major diff is the people is a minority not a majority population that we are fighting.

But then i thought to myself

Does this have to be said.
Does this have to be said now.
Does this have to be said now by me.

USA USA USA USA USA USA
-fj.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Samoa462 Posts
February 16 2010 06:24 GMT
#37
you know.... the us fucking with foreign countries has been the cause of some of the bloodiest wars of the modern day. Look at El salvador, the thousands killed in their war by "death squads" trained at the school of the americas, how they left the mutilated bodies of the poor in the streets.

thats what it looks like when the US polices the world. BLOOD POOLING IN A STREET.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
February 16 2010 07:21 GMT
#38
Please write a decent OP or dump the link here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112001
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