EPTOn January 27 2010 22:21 endy wrote:
"upgraded queens"
"upgraded queens"
Haha, actually that makes this sort of thing sound awesome
Second pregnant 'man' ? Wtf? - Page 12
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
Haha, actually that makes this sort of thing sound awesome | ||
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Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
On January 27 2010 23:36 TwoSugarsAndACream wrote: Unfortunately humans aren't asexual, for a human egg to develop into an embryo you have to have a sperm No. Welcome to in vitro fertilization. http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/families/f/PAR.htm Sexual characteristics are arbitrary physical traits. Ultimately if you identify as a female/male it is because your brain developed in accordance to cues respective to that gender - in the same way androgen insensitive people will develop and identify as female (usually) though they have a male genotype. Good for the couple, more power to them for being brave enough to have kids. Screw people who have no idea what they're talking about going 'oh noooez, messing around with teh nature' | ||
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TwoSugarsAndACream
Canada21 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:46 Equaoh wrote: No. Welcome to in vitro fertilization. http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/families/f/PAR.htm Sexual characteristics are arbitrary physical traits. Ultimately if you identify as a female/male it is because your brain developed in accordance to cues respective to that gender - in the same way androgen insensitive people will develop and identify as female (usually) though they have a male genotype. Good for the couple, more power to them for being brave enough to have kids. Screw people who have no idea what they're talking about going 'oh noooez, messing around with teh nature' I think you're the one who should read. It is fertilized with a sperm outside one of the woman's body, and then injected back into another to retain the same genetic traits from both women. Let me just add it incase you didn't bother to read. One partner provides the egg, which is fertilized outside the body and then implanted into the other partner’s body. She carries the baby to term and gives birth. An egg is extracted from the egg donor mom and fertilized with sperm from a sperm donor in vitro (outside the body) Welcome to reading | ||
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graemej
Canada42 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:46 Equaoh wrote: No. Welcome to in vitro fertilization. http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/families/f/PAR.htm Sexual characteristics are arbitrary physical traits. Ultimately if you identify as a female/male it is because your brain developed in accordance to cues respective to that gender - in the same way androgen insensitive people will develop and identify as female (usually) though they have a male genotype. Good for the couple, more power to them for being brave enough to have kids. Screw people who have no idea what they're talking about going 'oh noooez, messing around with teh nature' fail | ||
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Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
 . This is the link I meant to post (parthenogenesis in mammals)http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/families/a/Parthenogenesis.htm Though it does read "Researchers are quick to say they do not know if this method can be applied to humans" my point was that in vitro fertilization and advances in genetics are heading in a direction where its possible to omit the sperm from the equation. And, obviously, the counterargument: http://www.reproduction-online.org/cgi/content/full/128/1/1 | ||
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sky_slasher
United States328 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
MY EYES! | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Element)LoGiC
Canada1143 Posts
But yeah, if I saw these people on the street, I don't think I'd care any more than to laugh at them. Who cares, ugly people breed all the time. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 28 2010 02:18 SuperJongMan wrote: Ewww... so both had a sex change? They can do whatever, and I can judge whatever... But I always wanted to see a transgender's genitals... I've seen ladyboys... but what about constructed... -_-;; ya knoww? they're actually pretty passable, as the surgery has got a lot better. I will tell you this. With proper surgery, you would not be able to tell the difference without a speculum. As far as ftm surgery, its a lot less advanced and realistic (its quite common for ftm to neglect bottom surgery for that reason) | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
i thought some doctors did some whack operation and transplanted a womb to a male | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:09 zobz wrote: I believe there's a similar phenomena where people become obsessed with unnecessary amputation. Like they get it in their head that their own limbs aren't really theirs or something? People have the right to do whatever they want but i just find it really hard to accept that somehow literally being a man born in a woman's body can be the result of mishaps during gestation. That it isn't completely psychological, and quite silly. I mean even if it is psychological, you can still do whatever you want. But still i think it's just a really weird thing to do, to add extra appendiges to your body because you're not comfortable with the way you were born. It doesn't help either that i've never met any such person, and that the only such people i've seen portrayed in movies have been portrayed by people who don't have that problem at all, and just assume that it's a completely positive thing and interpret their characters in as politically correct a way as they can. So i can only guess. I like your second paragraph, but its kind of funny that you associated it with a fetish (admitedly something that still happens in some medical/psychological tests). If you were to compare it to something else instead, say to being gay, would you still say 'they have the right to do what they want, but no change in the brain is enough to make someone gay and being gay is a (bad/weird/strange) choice' Its especially ironic because one of the theories of homosexual development is that homosexuality results from a partial imprinting of the fetal mind (not the more severe one believed to influence transgenderism). In otherwords, the neurological difference (how the brain is physically wired) is strong enough to influence their sexuality but not their gender. (This is not to turn it into a tgs have it harder than gays/tgs have less choice than gays argument) If you want to see a video of a real-world tg, here is one: | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 28 2010 08:08 pyrogenetix wrote: oh so they're just female that took male hormones pfft i thought some doctors did some whack operation and transplanted a womb to a male also had top surgery (breast removal and nipple reattachment) | ||
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TwoSugarsAndACream
Canada21 Posts
Then why are we being unfair when we are judging you? I'm trying to to convince myself that everything about this "having baby as a man issue" is ok, but sorry, I can't come to the conclusion that it is. This isn't a MMORPG where you can select your race, ur height, ur job and ur intelligence or what not. Because that's not real. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
not every transgendered person fits into just male or female, there's a much larger spectrum, so identifying as a man and wanting to give birth isn't impossible. on the other side, male to female transsexuals can not give birth, so does that lessen their identity as women? many have their sperm frozen prior to beginning transition so one day they can have kids with someone, does that mean they are less of a woman because they kept their male semen? i'm fine if you don't understand or agree with this, but to have people in this thread continuously say it's disgusting, unnatural or an abomination is really frustrating and sad. | ||
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TwoSugarsAndACream
Canada21 Posts
On January 28 2010 09:08 xDark.Carnivalx wrote: i'm sure there are men that would want to give birth if they had the option to, just like some women don't want to have kids. this couple has the opportunity to have a child, so why not? not every transgendered person fits into just male or female, there's a much larger spectrum, so identifying as a man and wanting to give birth isn't impossible. on the other side, male to female transsexuals can not give birth, so does that lessen their identity as women? many have their sperm frozen prior to beginning transition so one day they can have kids with someone, does that mean they are less of a woman because they kept their male semen? i'm fine if you don't understand or agree with this, but to have people in this thread continuously say it's disgusting, unnatural or an abomination is really frustrating and sad. The point I'm trying to make here is, do people mean it when people say they want a sex change that they "feel like they are a man trapped inside a woman's body"? Take this case for example, we have a female who feels like she is trapped inside a man's body. So ok we let that happen and now now you are a man with a man's body with a man's mind. Question here is shouldn't you act like a man? Aren't you contradicting yourself by getting yourself pregnant, which is something a man cannot do? A man cannot be pregnant. You can try to argue this point but sorry, that's a fact. otherwise i dont believe u when u say u wanna be a man. sure you can in vitro and adopt, but that isn't the case here. Yes you have a the organs (uterus) to be pregnant and it's ur choice, but im not taking the whole "man trapped inside a man's body" seriously since you've contradicted the whole rationale behind being a man | ||
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neVern
United States115 Posts
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
On January 28 2010 12:03 TwoSugarsAndACream wrote: The point I'm trying to make here is, do people mean it when people say they want a sex change that they "feel like they are a man trapped inside a woman's body"? Take this case for example, we have a female who feels like she is trapped inside a man's body. So ok we let that happen and now now you are a man with a man's body with a man's mind. Question here is shouldn't you act like a man? Aren't you contradicting yourself by getting yourself pregnant, which is something a man cannot do? A man cannot be pregnant. You can try to argue this point but sorry, that's a fact. otherwise i dont believe u when u say u wanna be a man. sure you can in vitro and adopt, but that isn't the case here. Yes you have a the organs (uterus) to be pregnant and it's ur choice, but im not taking the whole "man trapped inside a man's body" seriously since you've contradicted the whole rationale behind being a man This is really confusing to me honestly. The female to male transsexual people that I know usually say that the idea of carrying a baby and being a mother is repulsive to them. my guess is that this couple really wanted to have a baby that was made from their genes, so the FtM is willing to carry the baby in order to do it. He doesn't produce sperm to donate to the child, because we can't surgically add that capability, so he can only give his egg as genetic material. | ||
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Hanners
United States142 Posts
On January 28 2010 12:03 TwoSugarsAndACream wrote: The point I'm trying to make here is, do people mean it when people say they want a sex change that they "feel like they are a man trapped inside a woman's body"? Take this case for example, we have a female who feels like she is trapped inside a man's body. So ok we let that happen and now now you are a man with a man's body with a man's mind. Question here is shouldn't you act like a man? Aren't you contradicting yourself by getting yourself pregnant, which is something a man cannot do? A man cannot be pregnant. You can try to argue this point but sorry, that's a fact. otherwise i dont believe u when u say u wanna be a man. sure you can in vitro and adopt, but that isn't the case here. Yes you have a the organs (uterus) to be pregnant and it's ur choice, but im not taking the whole "man trapped inside a man's body" seriously since you've contradicted the whole rationale behind being a man Because the whole point of being a "man" is to not bear (or be able to bear) children? Ithink there's more to it than that. I also think that not every "man" qualifies for all the virtues of being a "man." Try thinking in less absolutist terms. On January 28 2010 12:25 neVern wrote: Well the gay population has been increasing pretty steadily for awhile now, perhaps it's some sort of evolutionary thing. TG people have been around since forever. Only in modern culture have they been so persecuted. A specific example of transgendered people being exalted and revered are the "berdache" of native american cultures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirited). This is *not* a new phenomenon. The oppression and negative view of them is what is new. | ||
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