All of this is bullcrap. I've spent the last 1-2 years looking into materials of David D. and other 'artists' and what I realized is while what they say is true, their way of getting there is completely wrong.
- You can't get to a real place by faking - You will have some success by faking, but the girl you want to settle down one day will be the one you don't have to fake in front
Once you REALLY realize that you don't NEED girls, and you just let stuff happen, you can be free of any stupid agendas and be happy.
PUA stuff is just not the real deal, the sooner you realize the better. Or you can study it and come to the same conclusions as me.
Think of it as Oracle talking to Neo; you hear what you need to hear, doesn't mean that the content is relevant.
I disagree with pufftrees #3. Small-talk is a DLV. Asking about her that quickly is also a DLV. You're begging for rapport by asking her about herself, and no man of real value with try to gain rapport so quickly.
Does talking about the joys grade school work? Like for example just met the girl then after instead of asking about herself just talk about "I remember making a joke about a lettuce when i was a kid and it was a riot..." Some thing like that... if you get my drift cause I have a hard time expressing myself in english most of the time hehehe...
I would say no. She doesn't care, she doesn't know you enough to care. You have to be interesting. People who say be confident, smile, etc, are all right, but you can be all of that and still be boring. You have to be interesting. Personally, I'm fucking off the walls most of the time, and for whatever reason, girls like that (I assume because things I do seem so random, and thus it's interesting to be around me to see what will happen next. They aren't random, though, everything I do has a perfectly logical progression).
On August 29 2009 04:58 niteReloaded wrote: All of this is bullcrap. I've spent the last 1-2 years looking into materials of David D. and other 'artists' and what I realized is while what they say is true, their way of getting there is completely wrong.
- You can't get to a real place by faking - You will have some success by faking, but the girl you want to settle down one day will be the one you don't have to fake in front
Once you REALLY realize that you don't NEED girls, and you just let stuff happen, you can be free of any stupid agendas and be happy.
PUA stuff is just not the real deal, the sooner you realize the better. Or you can study it and come to the same conclusions as me.
Think of it as Oracle talking to Neo; you hear what you need to hear, doesn't mean that the content is relevant.
There's so much I want to say to this, because I agree and disagree, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to say it. MM helps create a new you. That's what faking it till you make it means. The problem with being yourself is that the current you sucks, and that's why you're socially inept. The idea of MM, and most people who start with MM grow out of it and become better people because of it, is to teach you how to not be socially inept. You become someone new. The idea isn't to stay in the beginning stages of it, it's to evolve beyond the Jealous GF opener, and so on. But, it's terrifying to do that on your own, and figure it out on your own. MM is training wheels for social success. Once you realize you can be socially successful you can take the training wheels off. You can't ride a bike if you don't know how to pedal, and MM teaches you how to pedal.
EDIT: Not aimed at anyone particularly, but every time I come across someone who says MM is bullshit, you don't need it, etc. They're almost always the guy sitting in the corner by themselves, and bitching about how their life sucks.
Thanks to the people providing advice, now we all need is some story to take place yo! ^_^ Like an experiment or real life experience. That would be awesome fail or success, especially if in detail! :p
I've been inspired by and tried PUA stuff alot of times IRL, and basically what I wrote above is how I would sum up being successful with women. You gotta understand that it's also a matter of cultural preference, meaning that with tough LA women will need more of o shocking quality that grabs their attention and in cultures where modesty is a virtue, you will need to do this in a different way.
One simple thing: Find your true passion and follow it Live the life you desire Live on Purpose Be the best man you can be Become better each day _______________________________________
Each of you has at this point of your lives exactly what you deserve. If you know you deserve better you will go and get it cause it is your birthright _________________________________________ Advice on what to stop: Throw away your TV. Stop playing stupid video games. I watch SC Vods but not compulsively like many do. Many of you substitute real joy and fun for a fucking 15 inch screen, mouse and a keyboard. How can you spend you whole life posting on freaking web? AGAIN on passion: STARCRAFT is great to follow but make sure you are not substituting better joy and fun. DO not lie to yourself What would you pick do to for the rest of your life: Actually interact in real time with people in social setting and hang out with beautiful women and girlfriend Or Be and Internet Nerds
Again it is perfectly fine to watch SC or to play it one a week or even once a day for a bit but again do not substitute and do not kid yourself. I truly believe that on TL some people are passionate about E-Sports and it is their craft - that is different from fucking time wasting. ________________________________________ Advice on what to do: Work Out Pick Clothes that represent you, real you! Not some random BS. (not about money). Do activities that challenge you and you are passionate about Love yourself and other people Instead of taking, focus on providing Get your life together, you know specifics _____________________________________ Advice on what to avoid: Avoid fake bs like Mystery Those are nerds who found a good shield and a cheat code to beat the game. Don't kid yourself, if you use gimmicks and routines - you will get results but you will still be a nerd who only pretends Again imagine you play against Jaedong and instead of actually getting better to where you can be equal to him - you just use "power overwhelming". That is not ethical, nor it is true skill and mastery + you will walk around scared that people will find out that you really suck NOOB 0-111-1 Dressing like an idiot or over-the-top just cause book said so or to get attention if stupid AGAIN AVOID CANNED BS, BE YOUR BEST SELF TAKE RISKS ________________________ FOLLOW YOUR HEART ! LIVE WITH PASSION!
On August 29 2009 04:58 niteReloaded wrote: All of this is bullcrap. I've spent the last 1-2 years looking into materials of David D. and other 'artists' and what I realized is while what they say is true, their way of getting there is completely wrong.
- You can't get to a real place by faking - You will have some success by faking, but the girl you want to settle down one day will be the one you don't have to fake in front
Once you REALLY realize that you don't NEED girls, and you just let stuff happen, you can be free of any stupid agendas and be happy.
PUA stuff is just not the real deal, the sooner you realize the better. Or you can study it and come to the same conclusions as me.
Think of it as Oracle talking to Neo; you hear what you need to hear, doesn't mean that the content is relevant.
I agree with you. I did read on techniques but never used them because it is fucking ridiculous and my heart told me it was not right at all. I've met a guy who was studying The Game - gosh man. He is like out of this world weird. Normal nerds are fine but he was like weird and creeped me out. Fucking cyborgs They actually have no real power at all and walk around all insecure.
Thanks to the people providing advice, now we all need is some story to take place yo! ^_^ Like an experiment or real life experience. That would be awesome fail or success, especially if in detail! :p
I've been inspired by and tried PUA stuff alot of times IRL, and basically what I wrote above is how I would sum up being successful with women. You gotta understand that it's also a matter of cultural preference, meaning that with tough LA women will need more of o shocking quality that grabs their attention and in cultures where modesty is a virtue, you will need to do this in a different way.
Yes, Culture is different and Locations do affect it - up to a point. Once you really have it - you can go to any country or any location and be successful. Knowing who you are helps a ton. So yes - we can write books on how to treat woman based on where they from or we can be so rooted in ourselves that we only attract what we want.
Seriously guys, once you really have it. The problem will be not to make girls fall in love with you because if you know you don't like them - why mess with their feelings?
Go for the ones you like or at least find attractive. And do as many random things as possible + travel.
Your whole way of being is being communicated. Words are overrated. Your whole way of who you are is always being conveyed to people. Can't you sense it.
I can with great accuracy look at a person and see if he is truly successful with women or faking it. I can also see that if he is a lover and a great seducer VS random lame ass who gets drunk chicks or a jerk who might get women but really causes havoc in their lives instead of adding to them.
Same with women - you can feel women who are real and authentic vs the ones who are really insecure and just hide.
dun dun dun, so much nerd ego in one thread. If you are reading this you should a) ignore everyone in this thread b) read read watch watch all those books/audio series/videos but dont subscribe to any particular "method".....you will see the running trends of what is essential (confidence etc) but you dont need to be writing down pick up lines and bullshit. that is all.
Take this from a guy who has taken a bootcamp, and dabbled in the PUA community. Don't buy into it. All you need to get girls: good social skills (takes practice, go out, talk to people, read some books about social skills, one or two is enough -- it's a skill... you learn it by practicing), and your own life (your own sense of who you are independently of any one else's opinion of you... which is the foundation for self-confidence that doesn't depend on the validation of ANYONE).
GOOD GOD! DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY OR YOUR TIME looking for the next GURU to tell you how you should talk, what you should do. Ultimately it's going to take your own self-motivation and your own intelligence to improve your life. Moreover: re-evaluate why you are even INTERESTED in PUA. Do you really just want to have sex with an endless stream of random women? Is this even a realistic goal? Would you really feel fulfilled if you achieved this goal? Anyway... you have been warned. Get your own life.
Those are the only things you every have to think about when you are talking to girls. Thats it. It's that easy, that simple, and no amount of 'body posture' 'lines' 'cocky and funny' 'bootcamps' 'or PUA' is going to help you. Just be you. Don't be someone that is just trying to get a number- these 'masters' are a fucking joke, and all of these 'styles' into picking up women is ridiculous.
God i don't understand why people cannot figure it out. If you are really shy and or don't know where to start, get a wing man. I have done it countless times for my friends, and really it's tones of fun.
It isn't women I have problem with; It is having my best friend being too attractive and setting my standards for women too damn high. fffffffffff By Standards, I meant general intelligence and open mindness.
On August 29 2009 05:23 tyanvit wrote: Your whole way of being is being communicated. Words are overrated. Your whole way of who you are is always being conveyed to people. Can't you sense it.
I can with great accuracy look at a person and see if he is truly successful with women or faking it. I can also see that if he is a lover and a great seducer VS random lame ass who gets drunk chicks or a jerk who might get women but really causes havoc in their lives instead of adding to them.
Same with women - you can feel women who are real and authentic vs the ones who are really insecure and just hide.
Good advice here. I've read it all. Neil Strauss, Juggler method, pickup 101, David Deangelo, RSD, etc. I probably have 40 gigz of DVDs, cds, and ebooks of this garbage on my hd. Biiiggg waste of time. The bottom line is, people have been getting laid for thousands of years, it really isn't rocket science (Though there isn't just ONE thing that will attract women). Once you put into place certain "magnets" in your life, you WILL consistently attract women. Once you become successful with them it'll be replicable once these magnets are set into place.
WTF am I talking about? For one. Get a life! You need a life to bring women into in the first place. Girl's don't WANT to be the adventure... They don't want to be your sole purpose of living. They want to be swept into YOUR adventure. How can this happen if you live in your parents house, you never go out and you don't have any hobbies? You don't have to be a star athlete or go skydiving but find yourself. You have to be GREEDY and find what lights a fire in your belly. And then do those activities, often. (Of course this comes with a caveat, if playing WoW 16 hours a day does this for you, then you're in trouble, you attract what you project).
Once you fix your lifestyle, you've solved 80% of your problem. This is your macro. You just need to fix micro now. Understanding what women want, Conversational skills, body language, your vocal tonality, your eye contact, how you lead the interaction, turning things sexual, your fun vibe. 90% of this (including lifestyle) is nonverbal. It's quite simple.
i know this kid in my school who does that shit, and its creepy as hell. He goes to a random girl on the bus and start opening up retarded creepy topics... i suggest no one try it.
I disagree with pufftrees #3. Small-talk is a DLV. Asking about her that quickly is also a DLV. You're begging for rapport by asking her about herself, and no man of real value with try to gain rapport so quickly.
Does talking about the joys grade school work? Like for example just met the girl then after instead of asking about herself just talk about "I remember making a joke about a lettuce when i was a kid and it was a riot..." Some thing like that... if you get my drift cause I have a hard time expressing myself in english most of the time hehehe...
I would say no. She doesn't care, she doesn't know you enough to care. You have to be interesting. People who say be confident, smile, etc, are all right, but you can be all of that and still be boring. You have to be interesting. Personally, I'm fucking off the walls most of the time, and for whatever reason, girls like that (I assume because things I do seem so random, and thus it's interesting to be around me to see what will happen next. They aren't random, though, everything I do has a perfectly logical progression).
On August 29 2009 04:58 niteReloaded wrote: All of this is bullcrap. I've spent the last 1-2 years looking into materials of David D. and other 'artists' and what I realized is while what they say is true, their way of getting there is completely wrong.
- You can't get to a real place by faking - You will have some success by faking, but the girl you want to settle down one day will be the one you don't have to fake in front
Once you REALLY realize that you don't NEED girls, and you just let stuff happen, you can be free of any stupid agendas and be happy.
PUA stuff is just not the real deal, the sooner you realize the better. Or you can study it and come to the same conclusions as me.
Think of it as Oracle talking to Neo; you hear what you need to hear, doesn't mean that the content is relevant.
There's so much I want to say to this, because I agree and disagree, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to say it. MM helps create a new you. That's what faking it till you make it means. The problem with being yourself is that the current you sucks, and that's why you're socially inept. The idea of MM, and most people who start with MM grow out of it and become better people because of it, is to teach you how to not be socially inept. You become someone new. The idea isn't to stay in the beginning stages of it, it's to evolve beyond the Jealous GF opener, and so on. But, it's terrifying to do that on your own, and figure it out on your own. MM is training wheels for social success. Once you realize you can be socially successful you can take the training wheels off. You can't ride a bike if you don't know how to pedal, and MM teaches you how to pedal.
EDIT: Not aimed at anyone particularly, but every time I come across someone who says MM is bullshit, you don't need it, etc. They're almost always the guy sitting in the corner by themselves, and bitching about how their life sucks.
Yeah I agree with that. It's not about the training wheels, it's about learning to pedal.
So yeah, it may not actually be a bad thing, as long the person doesn't cling to the training wheels.
On August 29 2009 05:23 tyanvit wrote: Your whole way of being is being communicated. Words are overrated. Your whole way of who you are is always being conveyed to people. Can't you sense it.
I can with great accuracy look at a person and see if he is truly successful with women or faking it. I can also see that if he is a lover and a great seducer VS random lame ass who gets drunk chicks or a jerk who might get women but really causes havoc in their lives instead of adding to them.
Same with women - you can feel women who are real and authentic vs the ones who are really insecure and just hide.
This is the best site about game, the nature of women, and how social changes over the past few years are affecting society and the ways genders relate to each other: http://roissy.wordpress.com/
It was linked in the infamous Floofy Looks vs Game thread on lp, it's lifechanging though, excellent reading. Mystery wrote him an email a few days ago because the blog writer made fun of Mystery for his retarded song.
On August 29 2009 03:39 floor exercise wrote: You are so late to the PUA party, good god...
I agree 100% with floor exercise here. This style of meeting women is so common now it's not even funny. I stopped reading/listening to this PUA stuff a long time ago because every guy is now trying to do this. PUA is becoming the norm and I think that pretty soon the PUA guy will become the average joe.
While some of the tips are good (the body language parts are spot on and really good to know), a lot of them really are just manipulation tricks. Sure it's ok if you want a one-night-stand, but if you are looking for a relationship, I wouldn't recommend reading this stuff. This is b/c let's say you do this technique or w/e with some chick you meet at a club, and she is interested and you are going on a date. Now you can't really use these techniques b/c in a relationship a guy should show his real personality (why the hell would he be in the relationship in the first place). This is what made me realize that PUA techniques will get you to TALK to a girl initially, but don't KEEP a girl.
Anyway, my point is, yes meeting girls is great and it's good to practice and learn etc., but I think in the long-run it's just better to be yourself and have fun and do whatever you feel like, rather than learn these techniques. I think a girl can also pick up on positive energy like this, rather than openers and closers and what to do with a 2/3/4-set etc..
Plus I found that when I was trying to learn these techniques, I actually had MORE approach anxiety than when I didn't bother with these techniques because I was always worried whether or not I was making a right move, and as a result I really didn't have that much fun because I was so concerned about the right move, which is ridiculous because meeting girls should be fun.
On August 29 2009 05:52 YPang wrote: i know this kid in my school who does that shit, and its creepy as hell. He goes to a random girl on the bus and start opening up retarded creepy topics... i suggest no one try it.
If you are in high school it's creepy/weird, but if you are in university/out of school it's a very normal way to meet people.
On August 29 2009 04:58 niteReloaded wrote: All of this is bullcrap.
some nice links and posts here, but where should i go to learn initially about PUA and things like essential body language hints?
i have The Game , havent read it yet
im also wondering how it will come to be that my best friend who i spend every spare minute with will begin to find me physically attractive? the logical conclusions/steps i can come up with are:
1. get a better job or go to university (increase my level of "life maturity") 2. get a nose job (im pretty ugly) 3. work out for 3+ years until im not actually repulsive to behold
i cant but think that it will take me several if not many years before this girl will begin to find me more attractive. you can throw in "become more emotionally mature" (by dating more women, etc) but really i include that in (1) when i say increase my level of life maturity. by maturity i mean from a womans viewpoint oc; no woman wants to date a [virgin] no matter how much they "like" him
(btw i hope some of that made sense, im VERy tired)
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