Highlander QF/SF thread - Page 17

On August 11 2009 19:05 Klive5ive wrote:


Do you not understand that what you did was wrong?
That as the person in charge and with all the power you should use that power fairly and not to boost your own ego?

By acting like this is nothing you're just making the situation worse.
During the game some nerd is the closest he can get to begging you to leave and you're laughing in his face. You know you're making him feel like shit after he's wasted time staying up late to play, but you don't care.

When you're the one with all the power you're expected to act responsibly. This is not a two way dialogue between equals. You're expected to conform to a higher standard. I don't need to tell you this because you're a clever guy. The fact you know this that just makes it worse.
You're number one responsibility is to make sure the matches themselves are played as fairly as possible. That is the high standard you would expect yourself from WCG or any other tournament.
But you think you can walk away feeling good about yourself and no-one will notice?

The least you could do is give some form of apology, explain how the situation was unfortunate and heated by previous events and then assure people it won't happen again. Perhaps explaining what you should have done and will do in the future.
Act humbly for a change.

On August 11 2009 19:05 Klive5ive wrote:


Do you not understand that what you did was wrong?
That as the person in charge and with all the power you should use that power fairly and not to boost your own ego?

By acting like this is nothing you're just making the situation worse.
During the game some nerd is the closest he can get to begging you to leave and you're laughing in his face. You know you're making him feel like shit after he's wasted time staying up late to play, but you don't care.

When you're the one with all the power you're expected to act responsibly. This is not a two way dialogue between equals. You're expected to conform to a higher standard. I don't need to tell you this because you're a clever guy. The fact you know this that just makes it worse.
You're number one responsibility is to make sure the matches themselves are played as fairly as possible. That is the high standard you would expect yourself from WCG or any other tournament.
But you think you can walk away feeling good about yourself and no-one will notice?

The least you could do is give some form of apology, explain how the situation was unfortunate and heated by previous events and then assure people it won't happen again. Perhaps explaining what you should have done and will do in the future.
Act humbly for a change.

On August 11 2009 15:05 APurpleCow wrote:


lol and then he'd go to jail lol

On August 11 2009 23:24 zEroMiCro wrote:



dude dosnt matter where your from or where you are, if someone goes up to your face and says fuck you faggot, you have the right to punch his face in.

On August 11 2009 23:24 zEroMiCro wrote:



dude dosnt matter where your from or where you are, if someone goes up to your face and says fuck you faggot, you have the right to punch his face in.

On August 11 2009 23:24 zEroMiCro wrote:



dude dosnt matter where your from or where you are, if someone goes up to your face and says fuck you faggot, you have the right to punch his face in.

On August 12 2009 02:11 Ilvy wrote:


Just when you live in the ghetto, civil ppl use the human way

On August 13 2009 02:19 rextyrann wrote:
wow so much DRAMA again. typical childish internet behaviour at its best...

i dont get why pple are discussing that much although the whole situation is over already. instead of bashing one another they should work on finding a solution how stuff like that can be dealt with in a more appropriate way in the future.

my 2cents about this wole incident:


about incontrol)
surely he acted childish, but saying that he shouldve acted in a better way or trashing him with the argument he didnt do his work as an admin is just totally illogical. he ruled it out that its not a professional tournament. he ruled it out that he is "god". so whatever he does -> its correct. its that easy. if pple have a problem with that just dont ever join a tournament hosted by him again. simple isnt it?


about idra)
well he is a player in a tournament, but not just any player. he represents a korean proteam and on top of that he should know how a normal civilized human beeing should behave in a business/professional environment (we are not playing a ghetto tournament). and dont argue about that hes playing in his freetime blabla. hes always part of the team. doesnt matter where and when. i expect of someone of that calibre to have at least BASIC social behavior/manner. that means no BS no BMing no naming and spilling stuff which just plainly doesnt belong into professional language usage ( meaning F* S* etc words). players have to follow and act according to rules admins set. thats how tournament work. thats how sports in general is organized. dont like it? then go change the world...

about the situation:
lets start with an example in another field, soccer for instance. a referee in soccer is "nonexistent" he is with the players all the time. running with them and supposed to not stand in the way.however if a ball gets blocked or interfered by a referee in any kind its supposed to be ignored. lets assume a player would start bad mouthing the referee cuz he did actually blocked/interfered with a ball. the referee would usually just penelize the team of the player by giving the ball to the other team or penelizing the player with fouldcard or DQing him from the game. THATs how stuff like that is dealt with in a professional world wide sport organization.

now lets compare that to the situation at hand.
1. inc is admin/referee. the game laggs cuz of him -> hes interfering. even if hed promised or is supposed to leave the game cuz it laggs. he doesnt HAVE to. a lagging game isnt a disadvantage for 1 certain player normally. I REPEAT LAGG AFFECTS BOTH PLAYERS.

2. going deeper in broodwar specifics: lagg usually is a disadvantage for Z in TvZ. and on top of that we never see dinot asking admin to leave cuz of lagg. so i doubt that there was a strong lagg or mebbe not even an internet lagg at all.

3. idra start telling admin to leave and a discussion breaks out. why doesnt he pause the game?
why are players allowed to type/discuss ingame anyway? compared to the example above its the situation where a player starts complaining to a referee. the difference is that in the example they actually might have a disadvantage in a match. in the broodwar game which happened there was not even the slightest hint of that which is stated in point 2.

4. inc starts to bm back and situation unfolds as known. well its not well handled of inc by my standards. but as said in the paragraph about inc its his good RIGHT to do so since hes stated it from the start. compared to the example of soccer i even consider his reaction to penalize idra in that way quite "nice" and also too light.

so to break it down:
if people really are the opinion that inc influenced the game by his acting and that shouldnt be done they are just plainly wrong. stuff like this happens all the time in big professional sports associations. players get angry get dealt and penalized by referees and still keep on playing. and those are even professional set rules of actions. on top of that idra behaved unprofessionally for a person of his position and im repeating once again inc did make clear under which circumstances the tournament rules are held.


PS: i still dont get why idra is allowed to play in foreign leagues/tournaments. i dont think the other korean progamers are allowed to. if they would be all the less succesful progamers and B-teamers would totally own the nonkorean leagues/tourneys. idra is getting once again an "extra" which really isnt justified by any standards.

On August 12 2009 23:41 iG.ClouD wrote:
Are CJ managers aware of idra attitude? I think they should be at least made aware of what sort of player they have taken and they are spending their resources into.
And could somebody explain me why is he allowed to behave like that in every single tournament and get always away with it?
Why is he allowed to take part in foreign tournaments in the first place after all the crap he has spouted over the years and is continuously making after losing?
Incontrol may have been unprofessional in the already discussed matter, but he just as much when he allowed idra to take part into the tournament. Bad, unrespectful behaviour has always been punished with social reclusion and everyone is making an exception about idra because the vast majority of this forum is american (and supports him out of nationalism) and because he somehow got to live and play in S.Korea. Actually he's been there for a whole year and he still keeps losing to the same people showing no improvement in his mindgame. Dinot should probably be there in his place.

On August 11 2009 20:18 hawk123 wrote:



I honestly think you are nobody to tell Incontrol on how to act or treat on a tourney he is running...The fact is you just wrote 4 paragraphs of horse shit and i wasted my time reading it :x