The format is: (W-L for the last 5 matches in that Match Up of Player 1, Overall Win % in that Match Up), Head to Head Statistic, (W-L for the last 5 matches in that Match Up of Player 2, Overall Win % in that Match Up)
I don't know if you've seen any of Yarnc's recent games, but they've been just fantastic. He's still inconsistent as hell in ZvP, but his ZvT and ZvZ have really stepped up a level. The last ZvT he lost was against Shine about 3 months ago. Before that, it was against Flash. His muta control has also been just as impressive lately, both in ZvZ and ZvT. go.go... No, his play has not been impressive. The two games he recently won, both TvTs, were both pure build order wins. The game against Bisu? Fail DTs and a timing push by go.go. I haven't seen any good plays from go.go... Since last year when he played an excellent TvT with Canata.
I honestly can't form any opinions about type-b. He's played 2 games in the last 2 months. All I know is that he read Leta like a book last time he played and sniped quite a few vessels, which lead to Leta's downfall. He played a very clean game, only marred by several mistakes. Leta... He's 1-4 in his last 5 games overall and he went 0-3 in the Proleague Playoffs. He's definitely not himself right now. The game he played against type-b was just marred by mistakes. The only way Leta can get back into this is if he gets that awesome army control he had in Proleague back.
Canata hasn't really shown any brilliant stuff in his most recent games. He almost took Jaedong out of the MSL, but the only two games he won were from cheese and a timing push that Jaedong misread and sacrificed a ton of his forces against. However, I won't deny that Canata's army control has come a long way in TvZ. Certainly not as good as many other players, but it's definitely improving. fantasy... What is there to say about him? If you've watched any of his recent games, you'll know that he's really at the top of his game. While he did get knocked out of the MSL 0-2, it was by Bisu, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. He's shown time and time again that he's a fairly consistent player, and considering that TvT was his best match up before he turned into a TvP monster, I think his TvT game sense is sufficient enough to pull him out of this.
No, that is not a mistake. ZerO and Jaedong have met 8 times, with Jaedong taking the majority of the encounters. And who's honestly surprised at this? Before his little slump, JvZ was the most imba match up in SC. Sure it's less imba now considering that you now have JvE (when E doesn't 12 hatch) and JvS (S = Slump), but Jaedong can easily take down EffOrt.
Leta, Leta, Leta... What are you doing. I don't see Leta playing well after his previous performances... I mean he's lost his last 4 games against non-S class players.
Yarnc screws up early game and has go.go charge into his natural with about 12 MnM. He takes down at least 6 drones, quite a few lings, and a sunken before retreating. At this point, it's just a game of catch up for Yarnc as he's so far down economically. 6 Drones down is just too much and Yarnc GGs after a valiant fight off of 2 gas.
go.go goes for a 10 rax, 10 depot, 10 gas build, and looks to add some early pressure on Yarnc's natural. He has three marines take out an overlord outside of Yarnc's base, but Yarnc gets a sunken up in time to stop marines from taking down his natural hatchery. However, it's poorly placed and fails to stop vultures from harassing his ramp. go.go is able to sneak two vultures into Yarnc's main, but speedlings clean them up before they can do any real damage. go.go screws up and sets his rallies into Yarnc's sunken, so his reinforcements get killed. go.go can't do any damage with his vultures and he doesn't have any anti-air against the mutas that Yarnc was hatching. He GGs.
type-b goes standard 3 hatch mutas, but opts to use speedlings + 2 sunkens to fend off Leta's early MnM. That doesn't work out well for him as he pretty much loses all of his speedlings to try and take down Leta's forces, so he's down economically going into the midgame. Leta tries to tech switch into 3 port wraiths. type-b senses a moment of weakness and he charges in with 5 lurkers and a ton of lings. He takes down the bunkers, but wraiths save Leta's base before the lurkers can do any damage. type-b has no units to defend against the wraiths and probably no resources either, so he taps out.
If you saw Jaedong vs. Canata yesterday in MSL, you'll recognize the build that type-b went. 2 Hatch lurkers into slow drop into Leta's base. Leta just didn't have the forces to divide up. type-b went for a massive attack on Leta's front with lurkling while leta was dealing with 2 lurkers in his main, and broke 2 empty bunkers and 1 bunker full of marines. Leta was pretty much screwed at this point. He GGs.
Mmm... TvT just takes too much effort to describe. Like he always does, fantasy does some hyper aggressive play with his early dropship and takes out Canata's natural gas. fantasy repeatedly comes out on top in pretty much every battle, so he wins.
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(Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)go.go (Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Outsider > (T)go.go Go.Go knows that Yarnc is the better player. Why else would he cheese so much in the first game? Yarnc's ZvT has always been good; from his legendary mutal harrass vs Oov on Hitchhiker all the way to his complete one sided rape of Go.Go.
(Z)type-b < Return of the King > (T)Leta (Z)type-b< Holy World SE > (T)Leta Game one in group B suprised me. Type - b showed up all of the Leta fanboys on TL, and i for one was pleasently suprised to see Leta lose. This just reinforces my belief that HITE only has good ZvT and TvZ players. Anyways, i think Leta will 2 port game two ; but type-b will show better preperation and mental stability to take this set.
(T)Canata < Outsider > (T)fantasy (T)Canata< Return of the King > (T)fantasy FUCK YEAH CANATA. I BELIEVE IN YOU MAN. Fantasy is super aggressive ; and all Canata needs to do is hold off Fantasy's unrelenting harrass. If he can survive through the midgame i think he has a great chance of taking down Fanta.
On July 31 2009 13:58 On_Slaught wrote: Will zero show us the first ever infested terrans in a ZvZ?! Hell he already pulled it out in a ZvP. (IT would suck against zerg but it would be fun).
The infested terran runs in...BOOM! 4 zerglings die! (100 mins). Another one comes in...bam! Sunken dies (175).
On July 31 2009 13:58 On_Slaught wrote: Will zero show us the first ever infested terrans in a ZvZ?! Hell he already pulled it out in a ZvP. (IT would suck against zerg but it would be fun).
The infested terran runs in...BOOM! 4 zerglings die! (100 mins). Another one comes in...bam! Sunken dies (175).
On July 31 2009 13:58 On_Slaught wrote: Will zero show us the first ever infested terrans in a ZvZ?! Hell he already pulled it out in a ZvP. (IT would suck against zerg but it would be fun).
chances of a ZvZ against Jaedong reaching up to Queen tech is about .02 %**
Queen's Nest builds much faster than Spire. It probably takes about the same time to get Queen and infest the CC as it does to finish a Spire. (IT + Queen does not counter Muta, though... for that to work, JD would have to be on the ropes already, so that he couldn't use his mutas to attack/take map control. Unless JD didn't notice the infected CC... then Zero could maybe runby and explode drones/spire. It's not completely unbelievable, but it sounds very weak.)
I just want to see Zerglings hide under the disruption webs.
On July 31 2009 14:58 ReCharge wrote: Mystlord it's August 1, July doesn't have a 31, thx
July does have a 31st day. All odd months go to 31, and July is the seventh.
Sorry, it's the internet. I have to point out that you are wrong. September has 30 days. So does November. You can easily tell by looking at your knuckles. Bumps are 31, dips are 30. Except for August, it has 31. ^_^_^_^ (exception_) _^_^
Yeah, the 'odd = 31' thing is also wrong in that after August, it's even months with 31 (October/December). Just do the knuckle dance. (July is the last knuckle, and then you turn around and count back across your knuckles, starting from the last one. Which makes July/August on the same knuckle, both 31.)
On July 31 2009 14:58 ReCharge wrote: Mystlord it's August 1, July doesn't have a 31, thx
July does have a 31st day. All odd months go to 31, and July is the seventh.
Sorry, it's the internet. I have to point out that you are wrong. September has 30 days. So does November. You can easily tell by looking at your knuckles. Bumps are 31, dips are 30. Except for August, it has 31. ^_^_^_^ (exception_) _^_^
Bahaha, you're right, I remember that Knuckle thing from Zoom. I just know July has 31 days because my brother's birthday is July 31st, and I know January and March have 31 days so I just took a leap of logic. Teach me not to remember my childhood edutainment.
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] < Heartbreak Ridge / Outsider > (T)go.go Yellow will bag this match, go.go just simply doesn't have a chance.
(Z)type-b < Return of the King / Holy World SE > (T)Leta Don't really like Leta, but I just hate to see so many zergs around ...
(T)Canata < Outsider / Return of the King > (T)fantasy Fantasy of course! Sure Canata is cool and shit but this is fantasy we're talking about. Imagine if oov and boxer ever mated, their kid would be Fantasy. Plain and simple.
(Z)ZerO < Holy World SE / Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Jaedong You just don't fuck with The J ... just don't ...
Yeah L1 is down for tonight. No idea what's going on. As a result, pretty much all the streams in the OP are now toast. I'll add the daum sports to the OP, thanks.
On July 31 2009 18:40 crucifix wrote: Mystlord has awesome stream with nice quality and no lag :p
he usually does. Iw ould suggest that anyone who is trying to stream streams the daum sports one - not as high quality, but it would be better to distribute the load so that the daum sports stream dosen't start lagging out for everyone (imo, the fact that users can stream is the only reason why daum sports hasn't gone down as badly recently
yarnc sends his first overlord not straight to gogo's base, but to check for proxies at the bottom, and he sends a 9 drone scout to check the center, and the bottom edges.
second rax+gas for gogo now, and cc almost done, 4 lings out for yarnc.
gogo's got his scouting scv still alive in yarnc's base, very nice, and it's finally sent back. acad added now, right when third hat and lair pops for yarnc.
go.go goes for a sunken break and gets a TON of Yarnc's drones! I swear that he could have pushed in with his remaining forces, but he decides to retreat instead.
Wow, that was some nice timing attack from go.go, he caught YArnc off-guard with no sunkens on but they morph a few seconds too late and YArnc sacrified couple of drones.
oh man, so yarnc right now has 2 lurkers and something like 7-10 muta, and gogo has about a control of nmn. yanrc is going to try to apply pressure against gogo, but i don't thin khe's going to be able to do enough.
scourge now out for yarnc, it would be a huge deal if he can snipe the first science vessel. Gogo built it at the top right of his base, but gogo also knows it.
Yarnc still has no third, and go.go has a huge MnM ball. I don't think Yarnc is even close to defilers, and he doesn't snipe the vessel. Yarnc is in a tough spot here.
wow, one irridiate goes off on the muta, and yarnc is way way too slow to remove them
arnc tries to backstab, or at least prevent reinforcements, with six lurkers, but it means that he's going to try to defend his base with only 2 lurkers that are now dead.
Yarnc GG's Tanks taking off Yarnc's natural gas. Drop raping main tech Huge m&m / vess / tank army heading to natural as well Nice micro killing 3 lurkers and losing like nothing at all?
that was very very nice play from gogo, right from when yarnc's sunkens were about 3-6 seconds late, and gogo got his fbats in position to hold his own choke with 0 seconds to spare.
commentators: though go.go is usually known for fooling around and making things more interesting for you viewers, for this game alone - he played completely seriously, taking this game with no flaws.
i dont get why yarnc got his mutas so late, WTF. didn't even take his 3rd and had low drone count at his natural. looked like he was completely thrown off by something.
On July 31 2009 19:00 DeLoAdEr wrote: i dont get why yarnc got his mutas so late, WTF. didn't even take his 3rd and had low drone count at his natural. looked like he was completely thrown off by something.
lost six drones when gogo attacked. The big deal i think was that gogo saw the spire start, and was able to make a really good timing decision becuase of it. total lost of 9 drones during the nat attack, becuase you get to include the fact that yarnc needed to make 3 sunkens.
commentators: this game should be interesting because though go.go has the momentum right now, zergs have been doing well on outsider lately, and yarnc esp has been good with zvt here~
Nice and close for muta harass but fairly far for walking still.
Judging by the awkwardness yarnc displayed in the last game, it seemed he didnt bother to practice much for heartbreak. I expect him to crush the bug terran in this game.
On July 31 2009 19:04 konadora wrote: wow gogo 9/9/9?
i'll take that, i thought that it was 10/10/10
yarnc i think scouts the fast refinary, before two marines have popped out, and goes 2 hat lair. gogo scouts it, and gogo has already stopped building scv's at either 13 or 14 supply.
5 lings are inside of gogo's base, and now he is forced to defend with scv's. However, gogo only loses 1 scv before another vulture can come out. Second rax is getting put down, and cc right below gogo's base is scouted by yarnc (and just finishes).
muta come out, like 4 or so, but i'm not sure what he's going to use to defend against 2 muta. Ebay is almost done, and he's got a total of about 4 marines.
go.go hoping to buy time with a vulture so he can get MnM numbers up and a ebay, but no dice. Yarnc's mutas are heading straight for go.go's inside natural.
go.go is forced to lift his CC and pull back his SCVs.
On July 31 2009 19:11 Piretes wrote: Wasn't a comeback people. Go.go was behind economically, and by losing his vultures lost the game.
well it was good play by yarnc - he managed to stop the vulture harass without losing more than 1 or 2 drones, and he was able to quickly counterattack because he decided to go lings instead of saving larve for mutalisks.
I'm surprised how sloppily GoGo played considering how clean his previous game was. He just seemed to forget about his vultures (both the rallying ones and the ones in the main). Very disappointing.
On July 31 2009 19:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm surprised how sloppily GoGo played considering how clean his previous game was. He just seemed to forget about his vultures (both the rallying ones and the ones in the main). Very disappointing.
On July 31 2009 19:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm surprised how sloppily GoGo played considering how clean his previous game was. He just seemed to forget about his vultures (both the rallying ones and the ones in the main). Very disappointing.
The one in his main was blocked by his own SCVs, not his fault that time.
But yeah, if he rallied correctly, he would've won.
On July 31 2009 19:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm surprised how sloppily GoGo played considering how clean his previous game was. He just seemed to forget about his vultures (both the rallying ones and the ones in the main). Very disappointing.
one misclick i think decided the game.
Well the rally misclick and the mis-microing of the vultures.
well it was really cool how he spent the marine to get the vulture through with only 1 hit. Although i htink he lost a marine that it wasn't necessary to lose later.
On July 31 2009 19:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: I'm surprised how sloppily GoGo played considering how clean his previous game was. He just seemed to forget about his vultures (both the rallying ones and the ones in the main). Very disappointing.
one misclick i think decided the game.
Well its extremely difficult to out micro speedlings with slow vults But ya...pretty poor play by gogo this game, mainly with the rally point.
On the otherhand, yarnc should NEVER have let that ovie die. He had clear knowledge of the early rines. Absolutely no reason to leave an ovie exposed like that. If that ovie hadn't have died this game wouldn't have even been close.
On July 31 2009 19:17 GHOSTCLAW wrote: well it was really cool how he spent the marine to get the vulture through with only 1 hit. Although i htink he lost a marine that it wasn't necessary to lose later.
Not to be negative but thats an extremely common and basic play
On July 31 2009 19:17 GHOSTCLAW wrote: well it was really cool how he spent the marine to get the vulture through with only 1 hit. Although i htink he lost a marine that it wasn't necessary to lose later.
He didn't do even that properly, though. Could have easily gotten the vulture through without taking a hit.
On July 31 2009 19:17 GHOSTCLAW wrote: well it was really cool how he spent the marine to get the vulture through with only 1 hit. Although i htink he lost a marine that it wasn't necessary to lose later.
Not to be negative but thats an extremely common and basic play
true. Middle of a progame and all that though. I think that gogo could have gotten it through with 0 hits in practice/with enough games.
Imo, should have brought 1-2 scv's, but I'm betting that he determined that he couldn't bring 2 scv's and still have enough econ for both marines and vultures (that he let die at the hands of the sunken...)
On the otherhand, yarnc should NEVER have let that ovie die. He had clear knowledge of the early rines. Absolutely no reason to leave an ovie exposed like that. If that ovie hadn't have died this game wouldn't have even been close.
actually, yellow SACRIFICED that overlord. if you look at the replay, the overlord near gogo's base saw the aggression coming, so he moved his near-by overlord out of place (it was clearly out of reach of rines while still giving vision of the lower ground) to taunt gogo into killing it and therefore having a few more seconds for his natural to hatch and his lings to hatch. if he hadnt moved that overlord, there would have been little to no chance of him being able to place a sunken, and he knew the vultures were coming soon. yellow is a smart mother fucker...that was not a mistake
On the otherhand, yarnc should NEVER have let that ovie die. He had clear knowledge of the early rines. Absolutely no reason to leave an ovie exposed like that. If that ovie hadn't have died this game wouldn't have even been close.
actually, yellow SACRIFICED that overlord. if you look at the replay, the overlord near gogo's base saw the aggression coming, so he moved his near-by overlord out of place (it was clearly out of reach of rines while still giving vision of the lower ground) to taunt gogo into killing it and therefore having a few more seconds for his natural to hatch and his lings to hatch. if he hadnt moved that overlord, there would have been little to no chance of him being able to place a sunken, and he knew the vultures were coming soon. yellow is a smart mother fucker...that was not a mistake
I agree that he sacrificed it actually, but I don't think that it was necessary. Imo he should have placed the sunken behind the nat hat, instead of in front of it, which would have allowed yarnc to defend from a better position, and hold the ramp easily. I don't know if he knew that gogo had cut scv's so heavily though.
edit: another idea is that if he had pulled drones, he could have killed off all of the marines with like 6 lings and 4 drones. obviously he won the game though, so he made the right call.
God theses "stargirls" opening their eyes as big as possible when the camera focus on them are pathetic. Have we fucked up theses country enough that people don't even accept not to look occidental? Asian eyes are beautiful ffs.
God, both the players' signs are worded horribly. They go something like: Leta: More Attractive than AnyOther gamers play Type-b: There is no "impossibility" in my dictionary
Type-b's was worded worse but i just couldn't remember it.
On July 31 2009 19:23 GHOSTCLAW wrote: no one has made a leta hype/highlight video yet? >.>
Leta should roll type b, at least by the numbers.
Leta highlight video will be of him going 2 port wraiths
only
that would be lomo ^^
leta has marines and stuff sometimes too...
Although tbh, I can't remember another instance of him showing off anything of pimpest play status/fame. He either wins with superior mechanics most of the time, or loses to cheese/none standard/not "correctly timed" play.
On July 31 2009 19:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: Most of Leta's losses are to other players just being better, usually. Dude can't cut it against "s" class opponents.
He just gets beaten by players that can keep up with him mechanically and decisionmaking wise. He reminds me a lot of jangbi before jangbi got good.
On the otherhand, yarnc should NEVER have let that ovie die. He had clear knowledge of the early rines. Absolutely no reason to leave an ovie exposed like that. If that ovie hadn't have died this game wouldn't have even been close.
actually, yellow SACRIFICED that overlord. if you look at the replay, the overlord near gogo's base saw the aggression coming, so he moved his near-by overlord out of place (it was clearly out of reach of rines while still giving vision of the lower ground) to taunt gogo into killing it and therefore having a few more seconds for his natural to hatch and his lings to hatch. if he hadnt moved that overlord, there would have been little to no chance of him being able to place a sunken, and he knew the vultures were coming soon. yellow is a smart mother fucker...that was not a mistake
No he moved the overlord over to slightly delay the rines and to scout a bit the exact number..he intentionally moved it, but he did intentionally lose it.
The idea is to delay, scout, save it. Its not worth losing it at that time.
On the otherhand, yarnc should NEVER have let that ovie die. He had clear knowledge of the early rines. Absolutely no reason to leave an ovie exposed like that. If that ovie hadn't have died this game wouldn't have even been close.
actually, yellow SACRIFICED that overlord. if you look at the replay, the overlord near gogo's base saw the aggression coming, so he moved his near-by overlord out of place (it was clearly out of reach of rines while still giving vision of the lower ground) to taunt gogo into killing it and therefore having a few more seconds for his natural to hatch and his lings to hatch. if he hadnt moved that overlord, there would have been little to no chance of him being able to place a sunken, and he knew the vultures were coming soon. yellow is a smart mother fucker...that was not a mistake
No he moved the overlord over to slightly delay the rines and to scout a bit the exact number..he intentionally moved it, but he did intentionally lose it.
The idea is to delay, scout, save it. Its not worth losing it at that time.
The thing is that i can't imagine that he did it on accident.
Then again, I can't imagine that gogo deciding to sac 2 vults was his idea either.
that was a very nice flank, about 6-8 muta are out now for type b, vs four raxes and a fact for leta. That's probably an 11 muta group, I can't imagine anything else from a 3 hat muta plan.
ebay, 3 turrets at nat and 2 at main. bunker was building, but type B's micro leaves something to be desired.
leta tries to move out, but gets his marines crushed by muta ling. Dunno what that was all about. I don't think that the muta numebrs are enough to do any damage.
second bunker for leta, becuase that nat choke does look kind of wide, Also it's to defend against the incoming lurkers. very nice hopping out of bunkers, and then going into stim. I think ileta will be able to hold this off, but he's forced to show his wraiths.
wow, that game was actually pretty close. I dunno what to say about either player at this point - I think that 4 rax into 3 port is kind of a bad build leta, but you won with it.
I'm not suprised that Type B couldnt think up the correct counter, and it was helped by the fact that he 2 gas all in'd you.
The only reason Leta looked behind is because of the wraiths anyhow. His defense was immaculate and he stalled for just long enough for the wraiths to kick in. Absolutely superb play from Leta at the end.
On July 31 2009 19:45 ShloobeR wrote: i swear bunkers normally die faster then that
that top bunker seemed to last foreveeeeeeeer
lurks suck against bunkers. So do muta. Not enough lings I guess, but he was using all of his larvae. He lost kind of a lot of lings when attacking the mnm ball the time that leta moved out to try to kill the mutalisks.
On July 31 2009 19:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Way too hard to deal with a successful 14CC D:
And damn near impossible to do it after basically throwing away 2 groups of speedlings.
er when? I think that type B was ahead after destroying the push, although to get that many lings he would have cut a bunch of drones. I think i'm just confused...at least with regards to how he threw away 2 groups of speedlings (or possibly just when). I probably just don't remember it -__-;
At worst type-b was even with Leta, he was definitely not -behind- with the initial 2 groups of speedlings, it only seemed that way, cause, you know, Leta got to do a 14CC :d
On July 31 2009 19:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: At worst type-b was even with Leta, he was definitely not -behind- with the initial 2 groups of speedlings, it only seemed that way, cause, you know, Leta got to do a 14CC :d
Zerg should just go 9 pool speed every time.
Infested Terrans now please.
by he, i assume that you mean that leta was never behind.
On July 31 2009 19:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Way too hard to deal with a successful 14CC D:
And damn near impossible to do it after basically throwing away 2 groups of speedlings.
er when? I think that type B was ahead after destroying the push, although to get that many lings he would have cut a bunch of drones. I think i'm just confused...
I'm talking about the speedlings he made early on that he used to stop the very first mnm firebat attack.
They weren't nearly effective enough. When those lings were destroyed like that tybe b no longer had the option to take a 3rd gas because if it was scouted, there would be no way to hold it.
On July 31 2009 19:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: At worst type-b was even with Leta, he was definitely not -behind- with the initial 2 groups of speedlings, it only seemed that way, cause, you know, Leta got to do a 14CC :d
Zerg should just go 9 pool speed every time.
Infested Terrans now please.
by he, i assume that you mean that leta was never behind.
Type-b wasn't behind since he had to use those 2 speedling groups. Otherwise he would've just GG'ed right on the initial attack :S
On July 31 2009 19:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Way too hard to deal with a successful 14CC D:
And damn near impossible to do it after basically throwing away 2 groups of speedlings.
er when? I think that type B was ahead after destroying the push, although to get that many lings he would have cut a bunch of drones. I think i'm just confused...
I'm talking about the speedlings he made early on that he used to stop the very first mnm firebat attack.
They weren't nearly effective enough. When those lings were destroyed like that tybe b no longer had the option to take a 3rd gas because if it was scouted, there would be no way to hold it.
type-b is going 2 hatch lurkers since he has a hydralisk den at his natural. Leta pushing out and taking his natural. Bunker going up for him, and he has a firebat and a medic with his forces.
2 supplies, then acad for leta. Scouted lair for type B, leta's still got his scv in there.
hydra den put down for type B, not scouted by leta.
2 hat hydra?
flaoted cc, leta's going to take his nat now. In terms of effectiveness of that 14 cc with the wall, i feel like it's just about as good as a 1 rax cc, except you might be able to get like 2 more scv's out of the already built cc.
On July 31 2009 19:53 Mystlord wrote: type-b is going 2 hatch lurkers since he has a hydralisk den at his natural. Leta pushing out and taking his natural. Bunker going up for him, and he has a firebat and a medic with his forces.
Will a 2 hatch lurker be the best move in this case then?
Ahh Terrans finally starting to realize that bio is just as good. They were winning with it as frequently as they are winning with mech now. If not more.
to hat lurker, i'm really dumb. no way he's going 2 hat hydra -_-;, especially with lair. It's 4 am here, i need a break
speed done for the lings, commentators are thinking about a slow lurker/ling drop into the main (probably, they keep highlighting an overlord that is near the bottom of leta's main at the top left.
On July 31 2009 19:54 Ota Solgryn wrote: Ahh Terrans finally starting to realize that bio is just as good. They were winning with it as frequently as they are winning with mech now. If not more.
good on some maps.
leta scouts the lurker drop, this isn't going to go well for type b
plants the lurkers behind the mineral line of leta, tries to show off some really good micr, but the lurkers got a pretty good bunch of kills. like 8 total?
2 lurkers in leta's base, 4 lurkers in the front of his nat, comsat goes down, and leta dosen't have any marines left, even though he's running off of 4 raxes.
Too bad we don't get to see leta vs yarnc in the semi's. Oh well, that was a bad build by leta imo. I think he could have easily beaten type B straight up.
Tybe B did slow drops before the JD game last night.
Also Tybe B has now absorbed one of the teammates required for him to become a perfect being. He just needs android 18 and then to worry about Gohan. Tybe B faced Yarnc before but now that he absorbed Leta he can win.
well leta is just a chobo, any terran that wants to win a osl cannot fukin lose with such a advantage I mean 13 CC vs overpool and be succesfull. He even scouts 2 hatch lurker all it takes is 4 marines in your main to snipe slow ovi's and you win.
I still don't know how the slow drop could work even leta scouted it with his scv? He had the exact timing. Why didn't he moved some marines in his main in time?
On July 31 2009 20:00 4Servy wrote: well leta is just a chobo, any terran that wants to win a osl cannot fukin lose with such a advantage I mean 13 CC vs overpool and be succesfull. He even scouts 2 hatch lurker all it takes is 4 marines in your main to snipe slow ovi's and you win.
My thoughts exactly.
That was one of the worst strategic play ive ever seen in progaming.
Did he completely forget about overlord slow drops? Has it really been that long sense hes practiced against it?
On July 31 2009 20:01 konadora wrote: I don't get what was with the 3 bunkers
Overkill much?
He was playing extra safe probably to help keep the advantage he had with the successful 12cc. He decided to unload 2 of them since he thought Type-B was putting everything into the slow drop. Instead Type-B went for a dual attack + Show Spoiler [MSL Ro8 Spoiler] +
like Jaedong did yesterday against Canata on Byzantium
On July 31 2009 20:01 Kentor wrote: lol OSL just gets worse and worse
The most awful final ever will be type-b vs Zero. That would be an epic end of this misery.
Yeah really. =(
I'm hoping for Fantasy. Although I like Jaedong more, I don't want a ZvZ finals, and if it's Fantasy/Yarnc, I think they both (especially fantasy) are deserving of a title, so I'd not care who won either way.
On July 31 2009 20:01 konadora wrote: I don't get what was with the 3 bunkers
Overkill much?
Not really. He expected(scouted) 2 hat lurk ling and obviously assumed that meant he MUST be going all in speedling/lurk. Which he was...but leta forgot about slow drops and was so thrown off by it he played it completely wrong.
You should only bring just enough units away from the front to stop the lurks in your base , no more...if leta had done this he wouldve won(not to mention if his scv was 1 millimeter over..he wouldve seen the lurks). Also against a scouted 2 hat lurk in this situation you can afford to build turrets at your perimeter early and still be miles ahead. No reason not to build a few. That alone stops the slow drop cold.
how the fuck you die to slow drop in the first place when you scout 2 hatch lurker and WENT succesfull with 13 cc vs overpool. Its like all zerg can do at that point so you just aim on the mini map if you see dots and make a few turrets on spots he might come from and you win.
On July 31 2009 20:01 Kentor wrote: lol OSL just gets worse and worse
If it's type-b vs Zero finals, /wrists tbh.
ogn will be that disappointed they will have the finals at the normal studio.
Speaking of which this interview of the Sparkyz 4 before this on it (K is interviewer, L is Leta, T is type b, G gogo and Y is Yarnc) interview from slasher + Show Spoiler +
K-let’s ask everyone. What do you think of that this OSL’s best final would be Leta vs Jaedong?
L/T/G/Y-ok.
K-what, it’s not fun like this. At least Yellow should be saying “Yellow vs somebody”?
Y-well, some do say the second best final would Yellow[arnc] vs Fantasy. T-where you get that…checking out the community forum everyday…for real… T-what?
K-how about Type-b? T-I just want a Terran… Y-oh, there’s a scenario for Type-be too. T-don’t you dare talk about that. Y-the worst final scenario…Type-b vs Zero.. T-why are you dissing Zero? Y-it’s not that. Someone at a community forum, since the round of 16, has said that, saying “this post will be a Holy Land”…saying if the two ever meets it will be the final…and the support for that post has grown.
On July 31 2009 20:01 Kentor wrote: lol OSL just gets worse and worse
The most awful final ever will be type-b vs Zero. That would be an epic end of this misery.
Oh my god, that would be awful. ZvZ is exciting, but type-b vs zero? They would both be playing their worst matchup, kinda like lux vs jangbi except lamer.
On July 31 2009 20:09 konadora wrote: Lol looks like Leta spotted the lurker drop a bit too late
yep, looks like that pretty much cost him the game. He needed to move that scv literally like 3 more tiles to the right, and he would have had this game much more easily.
On July 31 2009 20:09 konadora wrote: Lol looks like Leta spotted the lurker drop a bit too late
yep, looks like that pretty much cost him the game. He needed to move that scv literally like 3 more tiles to the right, and he would have had this game much more easily.
I can't believe he lost after getting so lucky with type-b sending his lings the wrong way.
On July 31 2009 20:08 konadora wrote: 3 bunkers was still an overkill imo, 2 bunkers and a tank would have been much better.
Not that it matters now anyway, fuck yeah type-b!
Kona sorry but youre wrong here... Tanks wouldnt have even been out in time either way. The extra bunker was a non issue..it was the unit positioning.
Also another big reason leta lost is that he tried to clear those first lurks too early(or..you could argue he controlled it wrong because he COULDVE killed at least one had he targeted better). The fact that they BOTH lived through the first scan was really bad=/ That shouldnt happen at the pro level.
On July 31 2009 20:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Haters just don't appreciate ZvZ.
I kinda wish there were a couple Protosses left though, ZvP is a fun and epic matchup to watch :S
I appreciate ZvZ, but the ultimate build up to the final best of five should not be expected to end in under 30 minutes.
Haha, yeah, same here. It's a great, high-skilled matchup, very fun to watch - especially in proleague, but I can't stand watching ZvZ SERIES just because it goes so quickly. A finals of ZvZ would be truly disappointing, even if it were Jaedong/Yarnc, two players who I love.
On July 31 2009 20:11 GHOSTCLAW wrote: JD zvz in finals, and wins both. would playing his best matchup twice make him a bonjwa contender? (please? his skill astounds me ^^
I think Jaedong winning 2 ZvZ finals would actually be detrimental to his Bonjwa status. Everyone will compare it to July's 3rd OSL or something. If he doesn't atleast get Bisu in the MSL then a lot of the doubters will still doubt.
Ok fantasy, you have a more creative build the 1st time you two played, and I expect nothing less. Your interesting play will trump the straight shooter and eliminate him! In addition, you will do it rather quickly so that I can watch Jaedong/Zero before I have to go to work.
On July 31 2009 20:13 Trezeguet23 wrote: Ok fantasy, you have a more creative build the 1st time you two played, and I expect nothing less. Your interesting play will trump the straight shooter and eliminate him! In addition, you will do it rather quickly so that I can watch Jaedong/Zero before I have to go to work.
I hope this too, i really want to go to bed. It's 4:15 am here
He didn't just go lurks. He went muta one game, but it went along with your theory since he got rocked. Maybe he felt that that was all Canata had prepared for so he went lurks only.
He didn't just go lurks. He went muta one game, but it went along with your theory since he got rocked. Maybe he felt that that was all Canata had prepared for so he went lurks only.
On July 31 2009 20:14 Itachii wrote: God, will the games start today?Watching OSL feels like watching MSL
dont know why, but OSL commercials and preparing seem to take much longer.
yeah and im sick of this crap... what happened to 5 minute rule or is that only for proleague? they should be warming up backstage, not sitting there and then warming up when they finally get on stage.
On July 31 2009 20:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote: I'm not a fan of this whole teamkill thing either.
Me either, but I think it is neat how it allows for even bigger upsets which are always fun. In addition, it may prevent hite from having both finalists, but who knows, maybe they all could have lost in the ro8, so on the bright side, they are guaranteed a spot in the final. Lastly, since they were all playing each other, they could more easily all practice hard for PL since they could agree not to back stab each other and work for a great good.
On July 31 2009 20:19 Trezeguet23 wrote: since they could agree not to back stab each other and work for a great good.
Like how Bisu and fantasy did in the last OSL, amirite? :D
Bisu always gets eliminated when he's a "shoo-in." See: last MSL, last OSL group, last OSL semis, and this OSL group. I just find that really amusing o.O
On July 31 2009 20:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote: I'm not a fan of this whole teamkill thing either.
Me either, but I think it is neat how it allows for even bigger upsets which are always fun. In addition, it may prevent hite from having both finalists, but who knows, maybe they all could have lost in the ro8, so on the bright side, they are guaranteed a spot in the final. Lastly, since they were all playing each other, they could more easily all practice hard for PL since they could agree not to back stab each other and work for a great good.
well there's no good way of preventing it - after all, teams like SKT have more osl/msl wins in their top 3 players than the bottom teams do. (oov+boxer alone have more than almost every other team combined..., except for cj probably).
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
Does it make you angry? Do you want to talk about it?
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
Does it make you angry? Do you want to talk about it?
Yeah, it drives me mad. I even posted on TL although I said three month ago that I woudn't post a word here anymore.
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
you dont wanna know what they do to make their eyes appear so big ~.~ anyway français filles ftw:D
He didn't just go lurks. He went muta one game, but it went along with your theory since he got rocked. Maybe he felt that that was all Canata had prepared for so he went lurks only.
I don't really like simply throwing out a few numbers, but how does 10-13 vT (17-16 if you count Minor League and stuff) qualify as having trouble (prior to today)? considering the sample size that looks pretty good...
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
Does it make you angry? Do you want to talk about it?
Yeah, it drives me mad. I even posted on TL although I said three month ago that I woudn't post a word here anymore.
Maybe you should follow through on your promise....
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
Does it make you angry? Do you want to talk about it?
Yeah, it drives me mad. I even posted on TL although I said three month ago that I woudn't post a word here anymore.
Maybe you should follow through on your promise....
fantasy's dropships are going to be faster, becuase of the 1 fact 1 port opening. Fantasy loses a wriath as well, about 5 gols and 3 tanks right now for canata. canata also adding a second shop, and fantasy expands to a third base before canata does.
fantasy has his first dship out to harass the depot and the nat gas. However, canata has a ton more tanks at the front of fantasy's base. It's going to dened on if he decides to attack or not.
fantasy is sniping Canata's gas, but Canata seems to be ignoring it pretty much. He has a force outside of fantasy's natural, but it won't do anything. The refinery got sniped and fantasy backs off.
Ok Fantasy should turn this into a rape pretty soon. Really nice build taking the quick min only and then using the extra mins to take the double gas.
I strongly approve
All fantasy has to do is use DEFENSIVE dropship play to hold those bases until he gains a sizeable advantage from them. Then theres nothing canata can do.
On July 31 2009 20:18 FireS wrote: fantasy's booth girl has such strange eyes lolol
Fantasy booth girl is fucking stupîd and think her asian eyes are less big so less sexy that what she sees on american sitcom, so Fantasy booth girl open her eyes as big as possible, and therefore look like an idiot and makes me feel very agressive.
Does it make you angry? Do you want to talk about it?
Yeah, it drives me mad. I even posted on TL although I said three month ago that I woudn't post a word here anymore.
turrets go up for fantasy to stop dships from doing too much damage. He used the extra mins to be able to put them up. snipes 1 dship, and should be able to clean up this drop with his own dropships. Fantasy is taking care to try not to lose any dships at all.
canata expands again to try to take the double gas that exists on the right hand side.
if he gets it the game could swing back in his favor. I'm not sure what the dship numbers look like for either side though - although if canata has all of his dships in the same place, he only has fourh, whereas it looks like fantasy has 6 or 7
I'm sorry Jaedong, but I somehow want you to lose so Fantasy can go to the finals. =(
No ZvZ final pleaseeee. Oh well, even if it is, I suppose I'll likely be watching it in California with the TL Blizzcon gang, so it'll be awesome regardless. =)
On July 31 2009 20:42 darktreb wrote: Three straight OSL semifinals for Fantasy ... crazy.
With time to prepare he is just soo good, and yeah, like people said above, I really hope for a fantasy Jaedong rematch since it was one of the best series ever last time
On July 31 2009 20:45 JohnBall wrote: Like I've said before, whoever wins Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the champion so, in a way, Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the real finals.
On July 31 2009 20:45 JohnBall wrote: Like I've said before, whoever wins Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the champion so, in a way, Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the real finals.
Most likely, yes... But if ForGG can freakishly 3-0 Jaedong in a final, Yarnc can take Fantasy/Jaedong.
On July 31 2009 20:45 Dice84 wrote: My prediction is a Jaedong 3-1 Fantasy in the semis.
I seriously fucking hope not, or we'll see the worst most one-sided final in a long time. The only zerg who has a chance of taking a bo5 from JD is Effort. Yarnc will probably take 1 game and type-b will just be humiliated.
On July 31 2009 20:43 Mikilatov wrote: No ZvZ final pleaseeee. Oh well, even if it is, I suppose I'll likely be watching it in California with the TL Blizzcon gang, so it'll be awesome regardless. =)
On July 31 2009 20:43 Mikilatov wrote: No ZvZ final pleaseeee. Oh well, even if it is, I suppose I'll likely be watching it in California with the TL Blizzcon gang, so it'll be awesome regardless. =)
We have very good chances to have two ZvZ finals
if we're watching zvz at blizzcon, i won't be very happy - it is scheduled to be at 5 am
do you think zero gets tired of playing against jd?
On July 31 2009 20:45 JohnBall wrote: Like I've said before, whoever wins Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the champion so, in a way, Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the real finals.
Most likely, yes... But if ForGG can freakishly 3-0 Jaedong in a final, Yarnc can take Fantasy/Jaedong.
Well that was a combination of ForGG suddenly being good and a map pool so bad that it makes zergs everywhere cry at the mere thought.
On July 31 2009 20:45 JohnBall wrote: Like I've said before, whoever wins Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the champion so, in a way, Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the real finals.
Most likely, yes... But if ForGG can freakishly 3-0 Jaedong in a final, Yarnc can take Fantasy/Jaedong.
Well that was a combination of ForGG suddenly being good and a map pool so bad that it makes zergs everywhere cry at the mere thought.
Haha, relatively true, however, I can see Yarnc/Fantasy being relatively competitive. Yarnc/Jaedong, less so, but still.
On July 31 2009 20:45 JohnBall wrote: Like I've said before, whoever wins Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the champion so, in a way, Jaedong vs Fantasy will be the real finals.
Most likely, yes... But if ForGG can freakishly 3-0 Jaedong in a final, Yarnc can take Fantasy/Jaedong.
Well that was a combination of ForGG suddenly being good and a map pool so bad that it makes zergs everywhere cry at the mere thought.
Don't forget, ForGG was 17-8 (68%) TvZ at the time. Yarnc beating Jaedong in a Bo5 is just lol. He better hope Fantasy takes Jaedong out.
On July 31 2009 20:45 Dice84 wrote: My prediction is a Jaedong 3-1 Fantasy in the semis.
I really think Fantasy is the favorite here. I know Canata has been a beast in TvZ all year but at the end of the day, I just don't see Canata doing anything Fantasy isn't capable of. If Canata and JD can have such a close series, then Fantasy has to be the favorite.
On July 31 2009 20:56 Dice84 wrote: Casters saying that if Jaedong wins this OSL Finals that he is the first player ever to beat a T, P, and Z in Finals.
well iirc there was only one zvz finals...?
well and there's kind of a small pool of people who have ever won 3 osl finals (july, nada).
On July 31 2009 20:45 Dice84 wrote: My prediction is a Jaedong 3-1 Fantasy in the semis.
I really think Fantasy is the favorite here. I know Canata has been a beast in TvZ all year but at the end of the day, I just don't see Canata doing anything Fantasy isn't capable of. If Canata and JD can have such a close series, then Fantasy has to be the favorite.
On July 31 2009 20:50 Warrior Madness wrote: Mann... I'm actually a bit nervous for Jaedong, for some reason.
I am too. He doesn't have the look of intense intense focus on his face that he usually does when he walks out.
Then again, he got it when he sat down to play zero.
Don't know how to describe it exactly but surprisingly something has changed in the entire ZvZ landscape the last few months. JD has been slightly brought back down to Earth (only relatively speaking, since he had that insane period where it just seemed inconceivable for him to lose in ZvZ), Effort has arisen as a ZvZ monster, Yarnc, Calm, and others have all stepped up their ZvZ game, and the whole rock-paper-scissors landscape has been toned down somewhat with players learning to overcome builds. Might have something to do with the maps as well, especially Heartbreak.
JAEDONG LOOKS TO PUSH DOWN ZERO'S RAMP!!1 ZERO FAILS IN HIS CONCAVE AND LETS LINGS GET IN!!! HE'S SETTUPING UP A SUNKEN THAT'S SITTING AT 200 HP!!!! JAEDONG BRINGING MORE LINGS!!!
SUNKEN IS ALMOST DEAD!!!
JAEDONG SKIPPING MUTAS AND GOING FOR AN EVO CHAMBER!
Jaedong did quite a bit of damage to ZerO's economy. Shame he didn't get the sunken though. ZerO takes out one of JD's overlords. Jaedong sneaks another force into ZerO's main, but doesn't accomplish anything wth them.
On July 31 2009 20:58 Shikyo wrote: darktreb: I'm 99.95% certain that JD prioritizes the OSL over MSL.
That's definitely true, and could account for some of his play in the Canata series as well.
Actually let me put it this way, I consider Fantasy the definite favorite if Oz beats CJ, and probably an underdog if Oz loses.
Honestly, the best thing that can happen to JD right now (in terms of winning both leagues) is for CJ to win. I know OSL semis are after proleague finals but if I were playing a BO5 against Fantasy in 2 weeks, I'd want to be practicing for it for longer than a few days. I've never been a fan of the most skilled Zerg to ever play, but he just continues to amaze time and time again, and so I certainly wouldn't mind seeing CJ win in proleague and help JD out a bit =P
Zero 3-0s his OSL group and this is the thanks he gets. He's an awesome player and his control is excellent, but he just doesn't seem to have the right frame of mind to win boX mirrors.
On July 31 2009 21:14 EvoChamber wrote: Zero 3-0s his OSL group and this is the thanks he gets. He's an awesome player and his control is excellent, but he just doesn't seem to have the right frame of mind to win boX mirrors.
So..wise one, what "frame of mind" do you have to be in to win a boX against the most godly zvz player by far...ever? I'm sure zero was telling himself(trying to..) that jaedong is just another zerg...just another zerg but unfortunately he found out the hard way that jaedong is definitely not.
I'd say frame of mind has nothing to do with it here. He was simply outclassed by the best.
Oh man. JD vs Fantasy is a toss up in my eyes, even if he were to be fresh and well rested. It doesn't help at all of course with proleague looming over JD's head (Moreso than fantasy's). I really hope JD manages to pull this one off versus fantasy but I'd give him a slight disadvantage.
On July 31 2009 20:58 Shikyo wrote: darktreb: I'm 99.95% certain that JD prioritizes the OSL over MSL.
That's definitely true, and could account for some of his play in the Canata series as well.
Actually let me put it this way, I consider Fantasy the definite favorite if Oz beats CJ, and probably an underdog if Oz loses.
Honestly, the best thing that can happen to JD right now is for CJ to win. I've never been a fan of the most skilled Zerg to ever play, but he just continues to amaze time and time again, and so I certainly wouldn't mind seeing CJ win in proleague and help JD out a bit =P
Well, I still believe he'll be the favorite against Fantasy, simply because Fantasy's TvZ isn't the best around. And with a + Show Spoiler +
ZvZ
in the other semis, I believe Jaedong is going to be practicing almost entirely for the OSL. I believe that the scheduling makes it so that the semis will be played at different times because there's still half of MSL's Ro8 to go. In any case, I'm expecting Jaedong vs Fantasy to be an amazing series, and I'll basically treat that as the finals. Well, Yarnc's ZvT is really good... I guess what I meant to say is, I'll treat it as the finals if JD wins. In that case he's got the OSL in the bag.
On July 31 2009 21:14 EvoChamber wrote: Zero 3-0s his OSL group and this is the thanks he gets. He's an awesome player and his control is excellent, but he just doesn't seem to have the right frame of mind to win boX mirrors.
So..wise one, what "frame of mind" do you have to be in to win a boX against the most godly zvz player by far...ever?
I'd say frame of mind has nothing to do with it here. He was simply outclassed by the best.
Uh, he got 3-0ed by Luxury in the last MSL, so it's not just Jaedong. And to be fair to him, he was at a significant build disadvantage in both the games he played in this series (12pool vs. 12hatch, overgaspool vs. 12hatch).
On July 31 2009 21:18 Warrior Madness wrote: Oh man. JD vs Fantasy is a toss up in my eyes, even if he were to be fresh and well rested. It doesn't help at all of course with proleague looming over JD's head (Moreso than fantasy's). I really hope JD manages to pull this one off versus fantasy but I'd give him a slight disadvantage.
Well, I dunno if this works out with the timetables (i haven't looked over them much), but since the PL is about to happen, then IF CJ wins, then JD will have the advantage going into the semis since he'll be done with PL while Fantasy will be preparing for CJ.
On the other hand if OZ wins they will be "more" equal given that both have to prepare for PL and OSL (obv JD has the added work of MSL, but hell he's JD).
At least given the timetables up to now, i'd assume it would work out like this. Tbh, i'm hoping CJ wins over Oz. Not because i'm a CJ fan (infact I despise them), but i'd like to see JD not have to worry about carrying his scrub team and prepare for the 2 tough semis(and a potential date with Bisu in the finals) on his way to bonjwa.
Aw fuck.. just realized that. Well, hey, it's alright! Jaedong will drop a game in HBR and then sweep it 3-1 like usual. No need to worry Avidkeystamper.
How could you say this as a Jaedong fan? The map pool's horrible for mech TvZ, ESPECIALLY heartbreak ridge. You think Jaedong isn't laughing his ass off knowing that he gets to face Fantasy's vaunted MnM play?
On July 31 2009 23:22 baubo wrote: I swear ZvZ make the worst BoX series. I like the matchup in PL and group stages. But when it comes to mirrors, I'd much rather see PvP or TvT in Bo5.
How could you say this as a Jaedong fan? The map pool's horrible for mech TvZ, ESPECIALLY heartbreak ridge. You think Jaedong isn't laughing his ass off knowing that he gets to face Fantasy's vaunted MnM play?
Fanta vs Yarnc Finals doesnt sound too bad ...Imagine a ZvZ final. Jaedong vs Yarnc. neither sounds bad actually Yarnc has deadly ZvT and we've seen what Fanta can do TvZ
The ZvZ dictator Dong vs the ZvZ specialist Yarnc interesting
Honestly, that map line up is eerily similar to the Batoo finals. Medusa, a slightly T favored map, is like HBR, going 1st and fifth. Return of the king makes a showing, Holy World to replace Sin Chupung-Ryeong for another T map, and Outsider to replace Tears of the Moon as a ZvT favored map!
I really hope we won't see ZvZ finals. I am getting sick of ZvZ BoX series. I much prefer PvP or TvT. But well, after a Protoss season we have season of Zerg...
Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
On August 01 2009 06:09 B1nary wrote: Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
Uhh...yeah, advancing as first seed from a group of death where he was a huge underdog and then beating Jaedong/Fantasy in the finals is pretty lucky. Wish we all had such an easy road to an OSL title.
On August 01 2009 06:09 B1nary wrote: Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
Uhh...yeah, advancing as first seed from a group of death where he was a huge underdog and then beating Jaedong/Fantasy in the finals is pretty lucky. Wish we all had such an easy road to an OSL title.
Yeah no kidding, if only Canata had been as lucky as Yarnc in getting a group of Effort, Jaedong, and Flash.
yellow arnc is so bad vs P , there is some controversy about seeing him in the finals . but he has won flash gogo and jaedong , and soon type B , i think if he win the OSL , he deserve it because of his good experience of competition and game , dont forget he is here since 2005 .
Nice results. Don't want to talk about semifinal results until after they happen, don't want to hex any players from making it that I might want to see there.
On August 01 2009 06:09 B1nary wrote: Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
Uhh...yeah, advancing as first seed from a group of death where he was a huge underdog and then beating Jaedong/Fantasy in the finals is pretty lucky. Wish we all had such an easy road to an OSL title.
Meh Bo1 is a Bo1.
I agree Yarnc has been playing good but god if I don't hate the guys play style so much. So boring and so cookie cutter.
When Yarnc runs into like Fantasy... or Jaedong I expect mass rape to come forth. Yarnc has been playing good but not OMG WOW style really.
On August 01 2009 06:09 B1nary wrote: Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
Uhh...yeah, advancing as first seed from a group of death where he was a huge underdog and then beating Jaedong/Fantasy in the finals is pretty lucky. Wish we all had such an easy road to an OSL title.
Meh Bo1 is a Bo1.
I agree Yarnc has been playing good but god if I don't hate the guys play style so much. So boring and so cookie cutter.
When Yarnc runs into like Fantasy... or Jaedong I expect mass rape to come forth. Yarnc has been playing good but not OMG WOW style really.
Not much to say other than I disagree. We'll find out soon enough.
I'm hoping for Yarnc vs fantasy finals. Yarnc's absurdly strong ZvT against Fantasy's unorthodox TvZ would make for an outstanding series.
That way, if Yarnc wins, it's his ultimate achievement in a long, solid career. Much like his brother winning Lost Saga. A feel-good story of sorts. And beating someone like Fantasy would be nothing to scoff at (err, nothing at which to scoff, in proper english?). If Fantasy were to win, he'd blow away talks of him being another king of silver, which is also a feel-good story. And coupled with besting JD in the semi-finals, no one could diminish this accomplishment.
Even though I love zergs, I'm not into the idea of a ZvZ final myself. Although imagine the potential mayhem if Type-b was able to 3-0 Jaedong or something crazy like that.
On August 01 2009 06:09 B1nary wrote: Yarnc winning would be the worst scenario, IMO. His performance this OSL has been impressive, defeating strong opponents in the group stages, but in my eyes, he's just another good, but not extraordinary player who got lucky with the brackets. Kind of like his brother winning the MSL.
Uhh...yeah, advancing as first seed from a group of death where he was a huge underdog and then beating Jaedong/Fantasy in the finals is pretty lucky. Wish we all had such an easy road to an OSL title.
Meh Bo1 is a Bo1.
I agree Yarnc has been playing good but god if I don't hate the guys play style so much. So boring and so cookie cutter.
When Yarnc runs into like Fantasy... or Jaedong I expect mass rape to come forth. Yarnc has been playing good but not OMG WOW style really.
Mass rape against Jaedong? For sure. Against Fantasy? Well... take a look at Yarnc's ZvT. It might pass under the radars of some people, but Yarnc is a huge favorite against Fantasy.
On August 01 2009 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm hoping for Yarnc vs fantasy finals. Yarnc's absurdly strong ZvT against Fantasy's unorthodox TvZ would make for an outstanding series.
Yes, considering the current bracet, this would be the best final, entertainment wise . Sorry JD fanboys, but zvz OSL final isn't that good.
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