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Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
April 28 2009 12:50 GMT
#281
On April 28 2009 21:20 blapsd wrote:
I dont know the rule thats applied if your monitor is dead but im sure its different to the ppp rule.

Almost certain that the right thing to do when you cannot see anything is to request a pause, not leave the booth and give your opponent several free seconds of play while some ref comes over and asks why you decided to stop playing, etc. That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.
blapsd
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
England121 Posts
April 28 2009 12:56 GMT
#282
On April 28 2009 21:50 Pyrthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2009 21:20 blapsd wrote:
I dont know the rule thats applied if your monitor is dead but im sure its different to the ppp rule.

Almost certain that the right thing to do when you cannot see anything is to request a pause, not leave the booth and give your opponent several free seconds of play while some ref comes over and asks why you decided to stop playing, etc. That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.


I'm not saying he definitely should have left the booth, he should have just done whatever it says in the rules, then he could not get punished. If the rules say to pause then i agree its a little fucked up but by doing things he cant see hes opening up the possibily of getting disqualified. Giving them a few seconds might seem incredibly stupid to you, but its a lot better than losing the game straight away (like what happened)
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
April 28 2009 13:15 GMT
#283
noooo (T)Leta
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
April 28 2009 13:45 GMT
#284
is it possible for the coach to appeal the DQ?
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 28 2009 14:06 GMT
#285
If Kespa keeps pissing off all the teams, they'll just leave and make their own group.

At least, I hope that happens. But I doubt it.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
April 28 2009 14:53 GMT
#286
wow didn't expect STX to win this one. Even with Leta getting screwed over I though Sparkyz would win still >.<
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8169 Posts
April 28 2009 15:11 GMT
#287
man I wanted STX to win but not like this :\
Free Palestine
[]Lowkey[]
Profile Joined April 2009
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 15:31:32
April 28 2009 15:31 GMT
#288
On April 28 2009 23:53 G5 wrote:
wow didn't expect STX to win this one. Even with Leta getting screwed over I though Sparkyz would win still >.<

the team must have felt hurt really bad cuz of what happened in game 2... their morale just got hurt i guess... but Good job to STX.
BoooYahhhh!
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
April 28 2009 15:52 GMT
#289
stupid kespa
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
April 28 2009 18:27 GMT
#290
Oh wow, after reading the last page, I was going to say leta deserved it and was at the same level as go.go then I read the second to last page and realized what the reason was.

as much as I hate leta and ogn, this is bullshit
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
April 28 2009 18:32 GMT
#291
Another week withought JulyZerg playing and i think i'll go crazy . Props to STX thought i have alot of STX players in my FPL team and anti-team also :D
TimmyMac
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada499 Posts
April 28 2009 19:55 GMT
#292
So, if pp is an invalid key combo, why did they pause the game?
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
April 28 2009 21:03 GMT
#293
Wow, worst day in my own personal entertainment history. 1st I see Fightning and it is literally the worst movie I've ever seen in my fucking life. Like I walked out of the theater half thru cause EVERY part of the movie bored, digusted and angered me and now I find out theres no Leta Kal game to cool down to, bummer. I hope a better reason surfaces and this pp thing is a joke
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
April 28 2009 21:19 GMT
#294
I could give some merit to this if he had written "pp" and then paused the game himself not waiting for a response (though it would still be idiotic to forfeit him because THEIR monitor dies), but if the Ref understands him and DOES pause the game, then what the fuck is the problem?

Dumbest decision i've ever heard about in E-sports history.
Next time hire a referee able to show some sympathy, flexibility and understanding.
h e l l o e
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
April 28 2009 23:16 GMT
#295
It is almost as if, since there as so few rules in StarCraft, the refs will call anything that they can with a certain strictness to reinforce the importance of their post.

On the whole, consider the problem abstractly to see how absurd that call was.

'pp' does not mean anything else in the rules book, or anything similar to it, like po, or ppo, that is for a different request. This and it shouldn't be for obvious reasons, because there are only so many requests and they should all be fairly distinct for clarity's sake. So, (now I'm going to compare this to ordering food) it is not like Leta ordered a Hamburger, and got one, but wanted a 'cheese' burger, but accidentally said the wrong type of burger. In this case, it would be the persons fault for being mistaken. But ppp and pp cannot be mistaken, because pp is meaningless, and ppp means something. So if I said I would like a widget with slenks, versus a burger with fries, one can understand that saying something meaningless is probably a violation, in general. Of course, it is not completely unrecognizable like the previous example from its counter part. If someone asked, "if I say cheeseDURger, what word do you think I am trying to say?" you can safely infer cheeseburger. In fact, it is common and universal courtesy to just assume the word, written or spoken, unless you are a complete ####. Additionally, some people feel that Leta should have known how many times her pressed 'p'. His mistake here is innocuous for 2 reasons. The first that, with his screen being off, he cannot reasonably be expected to known how many times he pressed it if, by human error, in the heat of the moment and not wishing to lose a fraction of a second, he forgot, but otherwise was sure it was ppp. Secondly, you can argue that he should, as a progamer know at least how many times he did that since he is one a keyboard all day long. His keyboard use however is a facet of a good gamer, not at all a prerequisite of one. So if he screwed up, you cannot possibly blame him, or any other player, for it because it was his responsibility to know.

So, because he is not responsible for such absurd keyboard feats or tests, and because his 'pp' could have easily been inferred to mean 'ppp,' the ruling is our of order. Which bring me back to my original point. Since there are so few rules, and since they are observed so infrequently, the refs must be exercising their power to dignify the rules. They are making an example of Leta to show that any disobedience to the rules will be met with strong retribution. Furthermore, this goes to suggest just how serious StarCraft is. If it was all fun and games, that kind of stuff would fly. Hey, were just here to play some StarCraft right, we don't need rules, regulations, etc. Overall, I would disagree with the ruling. It is absurdly harsh and arrogant. For the namesake of the sport however, I have to agree with the higher-ups and their decision on this one.
CJ Entusman #24
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
April 29 2009 06:05 GMT
#296
On April 29 2009 04:55 TimmyMac wrote:
So, if pp is an invalid key combo, why did they pause the game?

zing!
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to dq leta

any sort of chat log is disqualify-able (but the gg, ww, ziziyo, etc)


hwasin didnt get ding for this, even tho its in the past.
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
April 29 2009 06:10 GMT
#297
On April 29 2009 04:55 TimmyMac wrote:
So, if pp is an invalid key combo, why did they pause the game?

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weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2072 Posts
April 29 2009 06:16 GMT
#298
what's ppp? y is leta suppose to type that?
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