5 marines and a tank attacking 3 goons and a lot at the nat, a vulture shows up and lays a mine which kills a goon Hwasin loses all his units except a single vultureand takes out some of Horang2's Hwasin's nat CC almost done
Just tuned into the Yaoyuan stream so it'll be 30-60 seconds slower than Daum. I'm assuming that's what Crunchums is using.
But anyway, Hwasin has a mega army as well as horang. 2 arbiters + much larger mega army for Horang. It looks like Hwasin will lose. Hwasin has no 4th base and horang looks like he has 5 bases or something.
Hwasin's army gets wiped out and lots of toss units apporaching hwasin's main base
3 arbiters and a lot of units gathering in the middle for Horang. Hwasin waiting for the Recall and kills the arbiter before it can recall into his min-only.
Starport starting for Leta in the top right corner of his main Kal tries to pressure Leta's ramp but Leta has a tank and some marines with a barracks floating over them. Nexus starting for Kal
2 tanks loaded into dropship dropship runs right by observer tanks dropped in the mineral lines, get probe kills before getting cleaned up Leta expanding to his right mineral wall, making 2 armories Kal barely misses sniping the dropship on its way home
Shuttle ferrying into Leta's 3rd, Leta forced to pull his SCVs and bring some tanks Leta microing his tanks vs Zealots 3 goons still in his main, they take out a tank as Leta cleans them up (he saves one with repair) Leta tried to drop in the meantime but got repelled
On April 28 2009 19:28 nothingbutzerg wrote: Is anyone watching on Daum?Cos mine keeps freezing all the time showing only screenshots although sound runs smoothly!
Nothing wrong here.
I think there was something wrong with Letas monitor. He pointed something there...
On April 28 2009 19:32 snapcrackle wrote: uhh if i understand correctly... they are going on set 3... set 2 is out and a loss to Leta or disqualification cuz he did ppp isntead of pp??
I heard the official referee talking and i heard alot of PPP and PP, so maybe this is it.
On April 28 2009 19:32 snapcrackle wrote: so typed "ppp" 3 p's insted of pp
wait really? i guess they are really cracking down after backho and zizi yo
yes amazingly this is what i'm getting (though my korean is very rusty but it seems to be the case cuz the commentators are saying typing 3 p's is an honest mistake)
The banner going to commercial break had the match score at 1:1, so translations are right I guess... I am astounded by the new levels of retardation being pioneered by Kespa Poor Leta I guess he'll have to win it for them in the ace match.
I think its supposed to be PPP rather than PP. This rule is ridiculous, missing 1 P could possible cost Hite the match, and it wasn't like he was spouting out YO FUCKIN PAUSE THE GAME BREH. Just a mistake.
This is so senseless. Anytime at least 2 p's are typed, everyone should know what he is requesting. The only time a DQ should be called into question is if the player types "pp" but doesn't pause. Ridiculous.
I think Leta is a dick, he obviously tried to trick Kal to type gg ´cos pp is almost like gg. KESPA is so right here we don´t want that BM shit Leta! ^^
On April 28 2009 19:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Sickening. Take a fucking lesson from mainstream sports kespa. You obviously know shit about entertainment.
On April 28 2009 19:38 MachineHead wrote: This is so senseless. Anytime at least 2 p's are typed, everyone should know what he is requesting. The only time a DQ should be called into question is if the player types "pp" but doesn't pause. Ridiculous.
that situation would never occur (unless you're nal_ra LOL), as the ref pauses the game, not the player.
On April 28 2009 19:39 Mah Buckit! wrote: I think Leta is a dick, he obviously tried to trick Kal to type gg ´cos pp is almost like gg. KESPA is so right here we don´t want that BM shit Leta! ^^
Sarcasm or not, what makes it absurd is pp could never be confused for gg, as anyone can tell they are too far apart on the keyboard for it ever to be a mistake.
On April 28 2009 19:39 Mah Buckit! wrote: I think Leta is a dick, he obviously tried to trick Kal to type gg ´cos pp is almost like gg. KESPA is so right here we don´t want that BM shit Leta! ^^
viable answer. though i wanna hear leta's side to the story
jesus,next time don't allow players typing gl before match begins.....I don't really think being disqualified is a serious punishment.They should have chopped Leta's head instead and showing it to other pro-gamers.That is justice.
On April 28 2009 19:39 Mah Buckit! wrote: I think Leta is a dick, he obviously tried to trick Kal to type gg ´cos pp is almost like gg. KESPA is so right here we don´t want that BM shit Leta! ^^
Yeah it's impossible Leta actually wanted to pause the game.
On April 28 2009 19:38 MachineHead wrote: This is so senseless. Anytime at least 2 p's are typed, everyone should know what he is requesting. The only time a DQ should be called into question is if the player types "pp" but doesn't pause. Ridiculous.
I think it´s always KESPA ref who pauses, right? So they players can only request the pause?
wait which coach was it that complained about laggy computers in the MSL prelims and was accused of punching a Kespa ref? perhaps some revenge if it was a HITE coach?
apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
On April 28 2009 19:41 snapcrackle wrote: wait which coach was it that complained about laggy computers in the MSL prelims and was accused of punching a Kespa ref? perhaps some revenge if it was a HITE coach?
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
On April 28 2009 19:38 MachineHead wrote: This is so senseless. Anytime at least 2 p's are typed, everyone should know what he is requesting. The only time a DQ should be called into question is if the player types "pp" but doesn't pause. Ridiculous.
I think it´s always KESPA ref who pauses, right? So they players can only request the pause?
That makes sense, and is what I figured. It's just mind boggling that anyone could be so stringent on these rules. Jesus, show some flexibility. You could have 2 star players play a game, or you could end the game over something absurd. I don't see how that is beneficial to anyone.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
So Leta wrote pp instead of ppp as the rules say? then the kespa referees paused the game and Leta gets disqualified coz he wrote pp? Beyond all that Leta wanted a pause coz his video card died.
Oh wow thats some serious shit from KeSPA, actually progame teams dont need them. retards
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
On April 28 2009 19:45 Realpenguin wrote: Kespa is great, this controversy they create is hilarious.
Unless you stayed up till 6:30 am to watch your favorite player play only to have him disqualified in a decision so retarded it almost rates as performance art. If STX wins this 3-1 and it goes on to matter.... it will be unfortunate.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
I want hite to take this to ace and put Leta in so he can wreck whoever STX puts up. It's a total travesty that he loses like this when he's pretty much the best Proleague player there is.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
So what if his keyboard needs fixing? Or just the *P* key? What is he meant to do to gain the attention of the refree without being DQ'ed??? Throwing the refree in the face with a howling monkey? Or bitchslapping him? This is beyond ridiculous.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
you seem to ignore the fact that he's playing a high-pressure game with a live audience, cameras rolling, etc. when something unexpected (such as monitor going out) happens, you may accidentally hit 2 instead of 3 p's in the heat of the moment. not being able to see it on the monitor definitely doesn't help.
also remember that they are already at 300-400 apm, so they may inadvertently hit the p key +/- 1 time.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
you seem to ignore the fact that he's playing a high-pressure game with a live audience, cameras rolling, etc. when something unexpected (such as monitor going out) happens, you may accidentally hit 2 instead of 3 p's in the heat of the moment. not being able to see it on the monitor definitely doesn't help.
also remember that they are already at 300-400 apm, so they may inadvertently hit the p key +/- 1 time.
Pffff it's just the coach's fault for not training his players for these situations. If he had just had a day where he randomly pulled out their VGA cables and then had them practice their "ppp" reaction his team wouldn't be in this mess. ... Yeah, I think we can all agree that the situation is retarded.
Pffff it's just the coach's fault for not training his players for these situations. If he had just had a day where he randomly pulled out their VGA cables and then had them practice their "ppp" reaction his team wouldn't be in this mess. ... Yeah, I think we can all agree that the situation is retarded.
All teams would be having that lesson after tonight
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
you seem to ignore the fact that he's playing a high-pressure game with a live audience, cameras rolling, etc. when something unexpected (such as monitor going out) happens, you may accidentally hit 2 instead of 3 p's in the heat of the moment. not being able to see it on the monitor definitely doesn't help.
also remember that they are already at 300-400 apm, so they may inadvertently hit the p key +/- 1 time.
He went into a game knowing what he needed to do if an accident like this happend. I bet you after this match he will go back over almost every kespa rule and be prepared for all of those situations. Besides, if something unexpected causes him to lose his composure then he deserves to lose. Think of it as a drop he wasn't expecting and he accidently brought workers to the drop instead of away because of the heat of the moment.
Indeed it isn't fair, but life isn't fair. HE made a mistake so he was DQed.
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
you seem to ignore the fact that he's playing a high-pressure game with a live audience, cameras rolling, etc. when something unexpected (such as monitor going out) happens, you may accidentally hit 2 instead of 3 p's in the heat of the moment. not being able to see it on the monitor definitely doesn't help.
also remember that they are already at 300-400 apm, so they may inadvertently hit the p key +/- 1 time.
He went into a game knowing what he needed to do if an accident like this happend. I bet you after this match he will go back over almost every kespa rule and be prepared for all of those situations. Besides, if something unexpected causes him to lose his composure then he deserves to lose. Think of it as a drop he wasn't expecting and he accidently brought workers to the drop instead of away because of the heat of the moment.
Indeed it isn't fair, but life isn't fair. HE made a mistake so he was DQed.
i understand your point but your example is SO unbelievably bad. i hope i don't need to explain to you why i'm calling you out on this.
How can you justify that decision? The "pp" didn´t affect the game at all, both players could just have continued to play. I´m sure the only reason for KESPA to do that was to make a point, which is utterly stupid in this case as they stand out as retarded by the communities, players, teams and audience.
On April 28 2009 20:31 RobRoy2501 wrote: Alrighty, sorry for disagreeing with the consensus.
That's not the issue, disagreeing with the consensus is fine. The problem is that your argument is fucking stupid. You seriously expect a player to prepare the proper way to request a pause without a functioning screen? What the hell?
On April 28 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: apparently leta's vga died out so he couldnt see what was happening. thus he was typed pp instead of ppp and he gets disqualified for an incident out of his control.
Hes a profesional gamer, he should know if he hit pp or ppp without seeing it on the screen.
The rule is in place, so he should be DQed, but I agree that the rule shouldn't be there. Thats a bit too harsh.
No, he shouldnt.. What does "i hope i wrote correctly" have to do with progaming?? That is why there is a device that makes you see what you wrote.. It didnt work, if anyone, they should be punished since in 2009 they cant offer a workable monitor.. Seriously, in 10 years my Monitor didnt die on me, and yet they have constant problems with it.. FFS
ppp BOOM, I had my eyes CLOSED when I did that. You know how I know there are 3 ps? Because you can feel how many register. The man works on a keyboard. His craft requires that he know if a quick key went through, he should know if there were 2 or 3 ps.
Aside from that, as I said, it is a stupid rule and it should be removed.
you seem to ignore the fact that he's playing a high-pressure game with a live audience, cameras rolling, etc. when something unexpected (such as monitor going out) happens, you may accidentally hit 2 instead of 3 p's in the heat of the moment. not being able to see it on the monitor definitely doesn't help.
also remember that they are already at 300-400 apm, so they may inadvertently hit the p key +/- 1 time.
He went into a game knowing what he needed to do if an accident like this happend. I bet you after this match he will go back over almost every kespa rule and be prepared for all of those situations. Besides, if something unexpected causes him to lose his composure then he deserves to lose. Think of it as a drop he wasn't expecting and he accidently brought workers to the drop instead of away because of the heat of the moment.
Indeed it isn't fair, but life isn't fair. HE made a mistake so he was DQed.
He did come into the game knowing what is required of him, he didn't just randomly smash the keyboard and ended up typing in "pp" in the process, so he obviously knows the rules and doesn't need to go over them. That was your first dumb point. The next part is beyond retarded: who said he lost composure, and who are you to say he deserves to lose for it? He mistyped ONCE, no it's not like messing up worker transfering during a drop:
1) This happened in the blink of an.....eye? 2) NO, because he didn't see sh*t, unlike during a drop 3) This was fatal mistake (at least thanks to kespa ruling) unlike in most cases of your example.
Do you honestly think that anyone even under standard conditions - not mentioning losing your screen in 2009 for Christ's sake - deserves to lose because of THIS? Then Kespa should DQ anyone who mismicros or unintentionally spams a hotkey more than necessary. And especially themselves for being unable to provide fair and equal conditions for their players, or if that's the case, then they should be less rigid in their rulings because it is pointless and can't really be justified unless someone does it as retardedly as you have.
also honestly refs should be able to exercise their own discretion.
it would have been fine to give him a simple warning (which means next time he screws up, even if it would only be worth a warning by itself, it counts as a DQ) and continue the match.
Still pointing out that KeSPA did give around 3 months to get used to type "gg" and "ppp". I guess if I would be team coach I would devote 1h each month to just practice different situations to players. Like:
a) Your mouse is not working properly what you do: You type "ppp"
b) you are losing, what to do now? "gg"
For little effort teams can eliminate these things. Players do that around 30 to 40 times soon they have it memorized.
On April 28 2009 20:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Still pointing out that KeSPA did give around 3 months to get used to type "gg" and "ppp". I guess if I would be team coach I would devote 1h each month to just practice different situations to players. Like:
a) Your mouse is not working properly what you do: You type "ppp"
b) you are losing, what to do now? "gg"
For little effort teams can eliminate these things. Players do that around 30 to 40 times soon they have it memorized.
True, but it's still a stupid rule. Someone shouldn't lose a game because they made a typo.
On April 28 2009 20:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Still pointing out that KeSPA did give around 3 months to get used to type "gg" and "ppp". I guess if I would be team coach I would devote 1h each month to just practice different situations to players. Like:
a) Your mouse is not working properly what you do: You type "ppp"
b) you are losing, what to do now? "gg"
For little effort teams can eliminate these things. Players do that around 30 to 40 times soon they have it memorized.
What is wrong with you?
Yes, they should just practice for all the billion possibilites..
1) Nuclear just went off, you are blinded.. What do you type?
2) Place crashed and you got hit by a dust and you are blinded.. What do you type?
3) repeat 2, but know that plane part also hit the enter key and you dont know if it hit p key as well.. What and how many do you type?
4) Repeat 1 but know that your keyboard also glitches and sometimes p is not pressed.. What do you type? Do you risk more p presses or no?
etc etc...
And yes, my proposals are as retarded as DQ.. I agree.. See my point?
I think this was a heartbreaking decision but I can see why Kespa did it
Imagine this :
if kal had typed "gg" mistakenly after he saw letas "pp" (which is perfectly feasible in high apm tense televised games) then of corse everyone would agree that leta should forfeit the match because otherwise kal's gg would mean he lost. Leta made the first mistake and mislead kal into typing gg so leta should lose. And yes the match should be over because a gg can totally lose your train of thought and is game ending.
So we have the situation where Leta is forgiven if kal doesnt type gg and he is not forgiven if kal does type gg. This is ludacrous because then any player would just type gg after any mistake and they would win the match. Thus putting the rules in the players hands instead of Kespas hands.
And yeah this may be a very minor mistake but if kespa let it go then they would have to let every other similar situation go or else they are not being fair. Also you cannot put things into the referees discretion because they are human and different referees could potentially make different decisions. One referee could forgive leta in this case and then a few months later another player might not be forgiven for something similar.
As for replaying the match, I think thats fine if both players agree. However it should be up to the winning player (Kal in this case) to step in and actually say he wants a rematch.
On April 28 2009 21:12 blapsd wrote: I think this was a heartbreaking decision but I can see why Kespa did it
Imagine this :
if kal had typed "gg" mistakenly after he saw letas "pp" (which is perfectly feasible in high apm tense televised games) then of corse everyone would agree that leta should forfeit the match because otherwise kal's gg would mean he lost. Leta made the first mistake and mislead kal into typing gg so leta should lose. And yes the match should be over because a gg can totally lose your train of thought and is game ending.
So we have the situation where Leta is forgiven if kal doesnt type gg and he is not forgiven if kal does type gg. This is ludacrous because then any player would just type gg after any mistake and they would win the match. Thus putting the rules in the players hands instead of Kespas hands.
And yeah this may be a very minor mistake but if kespa let it go then they would have to let every other similar situation go or else they are not being fair. Also you cannot put things into the referees discretion because they are human and different referees could potentially make different decisions. One referee could forgive leta in this case and then a few months later another player might not be forgiven for something similar.
As for replaying the match, I think thats fine if both players agree. However it should be up to the winning player (Kal in this case) to step in and actually say he wants a rematch.
And where does the "HEY ITS 2009 and i cant see because my monitor is dead" comes in?
Are you fucking serious? Leta gets DQd for typing PP instead of PPP when HE CAN"T SEE WHAT THE HELL HE IS TYPING CUZ HIS MONITOR DIED?? Honestly kespa you are a bunch of fucking retards...
On April 28 2009 21:12 blapsd wrote: I think this was a heartbreaking decision but I can see why Kespa did it
Imagine this :
if kal had typed "gg" mistakenly after he saw letas "pp" (which is perfectly feasible in high apm tense televised games) then of corse everyone would agree that leta should forfeit the match because otherwise kal's gg would mean he lost. Leta made the first mistake and mislead kal into typing gg so leta should lose. And yes the match should be over because a gg can totally lose your train of thought and is game ending.
So we have the situation where Leta is forgiven if kal doesnt type gg and he is not forgiven if kal does type gg. This is ludacrous because then any player would just type gg after any mistake and they would win the match. Thus putting the rules in the players hands instead of Kespas hands.
And yeah this may be a very minor mistake but if kespa let it go then they would have to let every other similar situation go or else they are not being fair. Also you cannot put things into the referees discretion because they are human and different referees could potentially make different decisions. One referee could forgive leta in this case and then a few months later another player might not be forgiven for something similar.
As for replaying the match, I think thats fine if both players agree. However it should be up to the winning player (Kal in this case) to step in and actually say he wants a rematch.
And where does the "HEY ITS 2009 and i cant see because my monitor is dead" comes in?
I dont know the rule thats applied if your monitor is dead but im sure its different to the ppp rule. Leta should have waved, stood up, left the booth (or do whatever it says to do in the rules if your monitor/hardware dies). He shouldnt have started typing things into the keyboard when he cant see
Imo there's too much debate over something obvious. When KeSPA revised the rules, the changes only let the players type to: 1. say gg 2. say ppp to request a pause In this case it was pretty much clear that Leta wanted to ask for a pause, he didn't pause the game himself, but he typed pp instead of ppp. Every sane individual will agree that the ref's undestoond something is wrong and paused. BUT NO, Kepsa didn't like only 2 p's and DQ'd him.
Rules are made for individuals and applied by individuals. I'm not saying they should apply the rules, but the guy didn't bm anyone. If KeSPA ref's continue to be as absurd as they are at the moment, Kepsa should change the typing rules to: 1. politely aknowledge defeat 2. ask for a pause
On April 28 2009 21:20 blapsd wrote: I dont know the rule thats applied if your monitor is dead but im sure its different to the ppp rule.
Almost certain that the right thing to do when you cannot see anything is to request a pause, not leave the booth and give your opponent several free seconds of play while some ref comes over and asks why you decided to stop playing, etc. That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.
On April 28 2009 21:20 blapsd wrote: I dont know the rule thats applied if your monitor is dead but im sure its different to the ppp rule.
Almost certain that the right thing to do when you cannot see anything is to request a pause, not leave the booth and give your opponent several free seconds of play while some ref comes over and asks why you decided to stop playing, etc. That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.
I'm not saying he definitely should have left the booth, he should have just done whatever it says in the rules, then he could not get punished. If the rules say to pause then i agree its a little fucked up but by doing things he cant see hes opening up the possibily of getting disqualified. Giving them a few seconds might seem incredibly stupid to you, but its a lot better than losing the game straight away (like what happened)
Oh wow, after reading the last page, I was going to say leta deserved it and was at the same level as go.go then I read the second to last page and realized what the reason was.
Another week withought JulyZerg playing and i think i'll go crazy . Props to STX thought i have alot of STX players in my FPL team and anti-team also :D
Wow, worst day in my own personal entertainment history. 1st I see Fightning and it is literally the worst movie I've ever seen in my fucking life. Like I walked out of the theater half thru cause EVERY part of the movie bored, digusted and angered me and now I find out theres no Leta Kal game to cool down to, bummer. I hope a better reason surfaces and this pp thing is a joke
I could give some merit to this if he had written "pp" and then paused the game himself not waiting for a response (though it would still be idiotic to forfeit him because THEIR monitor dies), but if the Ref understands him and DOES pause the game, then what the fuck is the problem?
Dumbest decision i've ever heard about in E-sports history. Next time hire a referee able to show some sympathy, flexibility and understanding.
It is almost as if, since there as so few rules in StarCraft, the refs will call anything that they can with a certain strictness to reinforce the importance of their post.
On the whole, consider the problem abstractly to see how absurd that call was.
'pp' does not mean anything else in the rules book, or anything similar to it, like po, or ppo, that is for a different request. This and it shouldn't be for obvious reasons, because there are only so many requests and they should all be fairly distinct for clarity's sake. So, (now I'm going to compare this to ordering food) it is not like Leta ordered a Hamburger, and got one, but wanted a 'cheese' burger, but accidentally said the wrong type of burger. In this case, it would be the persons fault for being mistaken. But ppp and pp cannot be mistaken, because pp is meaningless, and ppp means something. So if I said I would like a widget with slenks, versus a burger with fries, one can understand that saying something meaningless is probably a violation, in general. Of course, it is not completely unrecognizable like the previous example from its counter part. If someone asked, "if I say cheeseDURger, what word do you think I am trying to say?" you can safely infer cheeseburger. In fact, it is common and universal courtesy to just assume the word, written or spoken, unless you are a complete ####. Additionally, some people feel that Leta should have known how many times her pressed 'p'. His mistake here is innocuous for 2 reasons. The first that, with his screen being off, he cannot reasonably be expected to known how many times he pressed it if, by human error, in the heat of the moment and not wishing to lose a fraction of a second, he forgot, but otherwise was sure it was ppp. Secondly, you can argue that he should, as a progamer know at least how many times he did that since he is one a keyboard all day long. His keyboard use however is a facet of a good gamer, not at all a prerequisite of one. So if he screwed up, you cannot possibly blame him, or any other player, for it because it was his responsibility to know.
So, because he is not responsible for such absurd keyboard feats or tests, and because his 'pp' could have easily been inferred to mean 'ppp,' the ruling is our of order. Which bring me back to my original point. Since there are so few rules, and since they are observed so infrequently, the refs must be exercising their power to dignify the rules. They are making an example of Leta to show that any disobedience to the rules will be met with strong retribution. Furthermore, this goes to suggest just how serious StarCraft is. If it was all fun and games, that kind of stuff would fly. Hey, were just here to play some StarCraft right, we don't need rules, regulations, etc. Overall, I would disagree with the ruling. It is absurdly harsh and arrogant. For the namesake of the sport however, I have to agree with the higher-ups and their decision on this one.
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