• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:29
CEST 21:29
KST 04:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format12[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? BGE Stara Zagora to be held again in June 2025 Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29
Tourneys
WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Etiquete rules in Asl? screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8543 users

[WL] Playoffs: KTF vs OZ - Page 45

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 93 Next
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 22 2009 05:31 GMT
#881
On March 22 2009 14:30 Kentor wrote:
wtf guardians are large and mutas are small
guardians vs goliaths lol


mutas are medium actually :o

but the point stands
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
March 22 2009 05:31 GMT
#882
On March 22 2009 14:31 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:29 konadora wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:20 ShloobeR wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:18 maareek wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:08 ShloobeR wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:07 maareek wrote:
ForGG finally manages to defend and run JD off, but he's already taken an insane amount of damage. Guardians, I assume...


i hope he doesnt go guardians vs mass goliath O.o


Guardians are afraid of air units and little else. No vessels? Guard/hydra is very, very strong. Especially with an insane economy. Frankly, though, after that muta harass JD could have done pretty much anything and won.


although he had ridiculous amounts of gas there are still much simpler ways to win that fight then by charging into guardians vs mass goliath, plus JD loses everytime he makes guardians

[image loading]


I suppose this is the game against Free.

You can also use his game against Flash this MSL. Again greater spire and again out of the MSL

Don't forget Bacchus OSL vs Flash.
POGGERS
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
March 22 2009 05:31 GMT
#883
On March 22 2009 14:28 ._. wrote:
why didn't forgg just go m+m..

Can any terran explain the advantages of going mech on medusa for me?

I can't see it.

2hat muta is really strong on Medusa.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
March 22 2009 05:31 GMT
#884
If you can afford to win with guardians, you can definitely afford to win without them.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#885
Man, I don't know about putting Luxury here...

And the next map is Rush Hour 3, so even if he does win, he'll be against Hiya/Lomo.
Xstatic
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States765 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#886
On March 22 2009 14:31 fiRe)HappyZerg wrote:
Luxury won yesterday, that's why he is gonna lose now <_<


Lux is playing JD. Jaedong excels at killing fellow zergs.
Lux is going to lose. (JD fanboyism ftw!)
GOGO JAEDONG ALLKILL
Snow - Protoss the way it was meant to be, one mindgame at a time ^^
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#887
On March 22 2009 14:31 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:30 Kentor wrote:
wtf guardians are large and mutas are small
guardians vs goliaths lol


mutas are medium actually :o

but the point stands


Nope, they're small!
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-22 05:33:01
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#888
On March 22 2009 14:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:28 ._. wrote:
why didn't forgg just go m+m..

Can any terran explain the advantages of going mech on medusa for me?

I can't see it.


you can lingtight wallin and runby very good with vults.

bio vs zerg on medusa is not good. Too hard to defend mutalisk harass and you need to hold zerg not only away from your natural but also from the temple.. its really hard.
Basically zerg only have to get half way to terrans base to put him in trouble.

Ah, thank you.
Map = Z > T

and

So I guess the "fantasy build" would be quite adaptable for a map like this?

but even so, forgg handled those mutas rather poorly, far too little turrets and none on the high ground for his main.
:D
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#889
On March 22 2009 14:31 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:30 Kentor wrote:
wtf guardians are large and mutas are small
guardians vs goliaths lol


mutas are medium actually :o

but the point stands


no, they're definitely small =\
the courage to be a lazy bum
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#890
Don't you need Greater Spire for level 3 ground upgrades?
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#891
the thing is about sending lux is that even IF lux wins RH3 is next.
i can almost guarantee lomo would then b sent out as hiya is prolly saved for the very end
plus chupeong is a very T>Z map.....

w/e game 3 started
Forever Young
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#892
On March 22 2009 14:31 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:30 Kentor wrote:
wtf guardians are large and mutas are small
guardians vs goliaths lol


mutas are medium actually :o

but the point stands


Really? I always thought Mutalisks were small.
Moderator
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#893
On March 22 2009 14:31 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:30 Kentor wrote:
wtf guardians are large and mutas are small
guardians vs goliaths lol


mutas are medium actually :o

but the point stands

they're small
http://classic.battle.net/scc/zerg/units/mutalisk.shtml
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
March 22 2009 05:32 GMT
#894
gogo Luxury, prove yourself as new Zerg king!
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#895
On March 22 2009 14:32 rushz0rz wrote:
Don't you need Greater Spire for level 3 ground upgrades?


Nope, you don't even need it for level 3 air upgrades. It's purely for the guardians/devourers.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7582 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#896
On March 22 2009 14:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:28 ._. wrote:
why didn't forgg just go m+m..

Can any terran explain the advantages of going mech on medusa for me?

I can't see it.


you can lingtight wallin and runby very good with vults.

bio vs zerg on medusa is not good. Too hard to defend mutalisk harass and you need to hold zerg not only away from your natural but also from the temple.. its really hard.
Basically zerg only have to get half way to terrans base to put him in trouble.



Also (not apart) but terran lategame bio, cannot fight the long map distances without losing there expo's, getting flanked, nydus flanked or anything else
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#897
Starting
GOGO JD
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#898
On March 22 2009 14:20 ShloobeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 14:18 maareek wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:08 ShloobeR wrote:
On March 22 2009 14:07 maareek wrote:
ForGG finally manages to defend and run JD off, but he's already taken an insane amount of damage. Guardians, I assume...


i hope he doesnt go guardians vs mass goliath O.o


Guardians are afraid of air units and little else. No vessels? Guard/hydra is very, very strong. Especially with an insane economy. Frankly, though, after that muta harass JD could have done pretty much anything and won.


although he had ridiculous amounts of gas there are still much simpler ways to win that fight then by charging into guardians vs mass goliath, plus JD loses everytime he makes guardians


He already had upgraded hydralisks and 5 bases with map control and a terran who was contained to 2 bases with a damaged economy. Guardians would force him to make even less tanks and be more susceptible to hydra when he finally pushed out. Muta could do the same, but when you're up by that far, style points are cool. It wouldn't have been pure gol against pure guardian.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8073 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#899
Luxury fighting!
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
March 22 2009 05:33 GMT
#900
On March 22 2009 14:32 rushz0rz wrote:
Don't you need Greater Spire for level 3 ground upgrades?


0_o
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 93 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
17:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Shameless vs Lambo
SKillous vs Cham
Percival vs Harstem
ShoWTimE vs Krystianer
SteadfastSC264
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 524
elazer 283
SteadfastSC 264
UpATreeSC 158
BRAT_OK 75
JuggernautJason47
CosmosSc2 27
EmSc Tv 17
MindelVK 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Mong 216
910 35
Noble 10
Dota 2
qojqva1820
Trikslyr62
League of Legends
KnowMe67
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1474
FalleN 406
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu284
Other Games
singsing2112
ceh91290
Beastyqt497
B2W.Neo457
C9.Mang0156
XaKoH 129
mouzStarbuck75
RuFF_SC225
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2375
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV544
EmSc Tv 17
EmSc2Tv 17
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 101
• Reevou 8
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 22
• 80smullet 21
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2648
• Scarra820
Other Games
• imaqtpie813
• Shiphtur334
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
13h 31m
CrankTV Team League
15h 31m
WardiTV Qualifier
16h 31m
Epic.LAN
17h 31m
Big Brain Bouts
20h 31m
SHIN vs Elazer
Percival vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Lambo
Replay Cast
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 13h
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 14h
Epic.LAN
1d 17h
IPSL
1d 20h
Dragon vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.