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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
February 25 2009 04:56 GMT
#541
On February 25 2009 13:55 exkgb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:52 Jayme wrote:
Well sending a Terran or Protoss without a special build against Bisu is pretty suicidal.

Bisu's worst matchup is PvZ and by "worst" I mean like still 2nd best in the world but not as unstoppable as his PvP or PvT.

Edit: I agree about Effort being slightly overrated. He's not quite as godly as some people seem to think... yet anyway.


so, if his PvZ is 2nd best in the world, who has the best PvZ? free? kal?


Nal_rA, of course.
Oh, my eSports
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-25 04:57:10
February 25 2009 04:56 GMT
#542
On February 25 2009 13:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:52 Jayme wrote:
Well sending a Terran or Protoss without a special build against Bisu is pretty suicidal.

Bisu's worst matchup is PvZ and by "worst" I mean like still 2nd best in the world but not as unstoppable as his PvP or PvT.

Edit: I agree about Effort being slightly overrated. He's not quite as godly as some people seem to think... yet anyway.


Since when is PvZ Bisu worst matchup.

This resurgence? Just revolutionizing a matchup doesn't make it your best matchup. His PvT and ESPECIALLY his PvP are better than his PvZ, as amazing as that is. His PvP is so freaking godly it makes Best look pretty scrubbish during his streak.

Edit: Kal used to have better PvZ but he's been kinda... bad lately. So you can have 1st if you want it, doesn't really change the point.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
February 25 2009 04:56 GMT
#543
Damn... Even Kwanro would have been a better choice than Iris. Neo Harmony is a freakin 72.7% favored towards Z...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 25 2009 04:56 GMT
#544
On February 25 2009 13:55 Atrioc wrote:
WHAT IS THE SECRET OF THE 13013?

no idea but that commercial with him looking in the mirror scared me
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3328 Posts
February 25 2009 04:57 GMT
#545
Who are they saving for RH3 if this fails? Darkelf? Memory? Skyhigh?
김택용 Fighting!
StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
February 25 2009 04:57 GMT
#546
Iris ftw dont underestimate him
A Combination Of Tuberculosis And A Tomahawk To The Head:: Nothing Bonds Drunken Idiots Like Sexual Innuendos ::
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 25 2009 04:58 GMT
#547
I'm slightly out of the loop in progaming, but I really like sending Iris out here.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
February 25 2009 04:58 GMT
#548
To make things more interesting I think the SKT zergs should be a team melee team, I think they could maybe win a game that way if you had s2, hyuk, rumble, and thezerg all in one. There's 1 player to macro, 1 player to micro, 1 player to scout, and 1 player to trash talk.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
February 25 2009 04:59 GMT
#549
On February 25 2009 13:56 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:54 AttackZerg wrote:
On February 25 2009 13:52 Jayme wrote:
Well sending a Terran or Protoss without a special build against Bisu is pretty suicidal.

Bisu's worst matchup is PvZ and by "worst" I mean like still 2nd best in the world but not as unstoppable as his PvP or PvT.

Edit: I agree about Effort being slightly overrated. He's not quite as godly as some people seem to think... yet anyway.

who the fuck is better then bisu pvz?



Right now Free, his style isnt as impress with the multitasking and harrass but he just wins through brute strength and map control, Others may say Kal as well. Either way I think its fair to say there isnt really an undisputed zerg king atm.

I think anybody who doesn't believe that bisu is the strongest protoss against zerg in the history of the game is a fucking retard...

Free isn't a champion zerg slayer but yes very solid. Kal can beat jaedong but not average zergs (weird).

Just because a protoss can beat jaedong doesn't make them the best PvZ in the world.

JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 25 2009 04:59 GMT
#550
On February 25 2009 13:57 Yaqoob wrote:
Who are they saving for RH3 if this fails? Darkelf? Memory? Skyhigh?


sKyHigh, but I think the idea is that Iris will win and can then play a TvT. Honestly, at this point I don't see anyone stopping Bisu until RH3.
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5tarscream
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore459 Posts
February 25 2009 04:59 GMT
#551
On February 25 2009 13:51 rushz0rz wrote:
I want to see Kwanro next, and then Savior. 3 CJ zergs getting raped in one night would be awesome.



LOL if that happens, it like a WTFpwnage from a Protoss.
Oov, Bisu, TheZerg, Canata Hwaiting~~
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
February 25 2009 04:59 GMT
#552
On February 25 2009 13:56 Mooncat wrote:
Damn... Even Kwanro would have been a better choice than Iris. Neo Harmony is a freakin 72.7% favored towards Z...


but if iris wins he has a good chance to win the rush hour match as well which would be hard for kwanro
aka DTF-ZeRo
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#553
Nice clips of CJ vs SKT team league finals. That rainbow game was sick.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#554
CJs only chance now is a sKyHigh all-kill starting from Rush Hour 3.... I doubt they'll send MJY on a 75% TvP map...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#555
On February 25 2009 13:56 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
On February 25 2009 13:52 Jayme wrote:
Well sending a Terran or Protoss without a special build against Bisu is pretty suicidal.

Bisu's worst matchup is PvZ and by "worst" I mean like still 2nd best in the world but not as unstoppable as his PvP or PvT.

Edit: I agree about Effort being slightly overrated. He's not quite as godly as some people seem to think... yet anyway.


Since when is PvZ Bisu worst matchup.

This resurgence? Just revolutionizing a matchup doesn't make it your best matchup. His PvT and ESPECIALLY his PvP are better than his PvZ, as amazing as that is. His PvP is so freaking godly it makes Best look pretty scrubbish during his streak.

Edit: Kal used to have better PvZ but he's been kinda... bad lately. So you can have 1st if you want it, doesn't really change the point.


Bisu's Matchup stats (not counting today's matches)
vT: 66-43 (60.55%)
vZ: 59-31 (65.56%)
vP: 50-28 (64.10%)

His PvT is not as good as Jangbi
PvZ is currently the best
PvP is not as good as Best
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#556
:O an old vod's night vod
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#557
On February 25 2009 13:56 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:54 AttackZerg wrote:
On February 25 2009 13:52 Jayme wrote:
Well sending a Terran or Protoss without a special build against Bisu is pretty suicidal.

Bisu's worst matchup is PvZ and by "worst" I mean like still 2nd best in the world but not as unstoppable as his PvP or PvT.

Edit: I agree about Effort being slightly overrated. He's not quite as godly as some people seem to think... yet anyway.

who the fuck is better then bisu pvz?



Right now Free, his style isnt as impress with the multitasking and harrass but he just wins through brute strength and map control, Others may say Kal as well. Either way I think its fair to say there isnt really an undisputed zerg king atm.


Is this the same free who just got rolled by Oversky? What has he ever done besides beat Jaedong with help from byzantium? Beside that he cant even get far enough in a league to test his vs z in a bo series. Free would not be doing anywhere near as good as Bisu if he had the same vs z opponents.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#558
On February 25 2009 13:55 Matoo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2009 13:47 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
On February 25 2009 13:45 rushz0rz wrote:
On February 25 2009 13:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Especially considering FlaSh and Jaedong are better than Bisu, yeah Bisu is definitely not Bonjwa.


Never seen someone be so wrong...

Maybe Jaedong... MAYBE... but Flash? FLASH?

You are retarded.... Flash is way better than Bisu but if flash wasn't in school and his team didn't suck mabye he could be destorying both starleagues.

Yeah and if Boxer didn't go to the army and if Boxer wasn't nearly 30 and if blabla he would'be raping left right and center right now.

Bisu's current form >>>>>> anyone's current form, including JD and Flash.



Your analogy isnt very good, and your statement about current forms is incorrect, as Bisu as evidenced Bisu also initially failed to make top 16 in both starleagues. And Flash literally does have to carry his team which caused him to forgo practicing for important starleague matches. And lastly who cares about stupid terms like bonjwa or the even more useless ELO, all 3 are damned good. Except Flash and JD, dont fuck up seedings and try to give themselves easy groups and then lose, but they are all exceptional players.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#559
rainbow just told midas 2ez
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
February 25 2009 05:00 GMT
#560
LOL nobody is watching OGN vs. Kahn
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
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