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On March 03 2009 03:44 verzisor wrote:
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.
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Well, it seems that you are the fanboy over here. Let me describe to you how lucky Jaedong was on that match:
1) Luckly Jaedong reads Bisu's strategy correctly.
2) With his luck, Jaedong positions three diferent pairs of scourges nearby Bisu's natural (including a hidden one behind the natural).
3) Thanks to his good fortune, Jaedong produces around 8 lings and places them close to the natural expo.
4) Then, through sheer blind luck, JD order his lings to attack the natural, which causes the canons to fire at them and, immediatly after, comes with his scourge from different angles, surrounding the shuttle and killing it.
Right now I am amazed by how lucky this kid is. But his fortune continues as he burrows lings around Bisu's base to scout every single Shuttle direction, positions his hidras on the correct spots to intercept the harass, maintain overlord over his expansions at all times... all of those simply due to his luck.
Man, those luck strokes are really amazing, because, obviously, Bisu's game is far above Jaedong's and on a "standard" match Bisu would have won 100 out of 100 times.
JD must thank his dark forsaken gods every single night for his incredible luck. I mean, he is above 65% winrate in all of his match-ups (not even to mention his 80% winrate in ZvZ). If I had that kind of luck, I would never play starcraft. Yeah, that's right, I would never play starcraft because I would be busy winning the lottery every month.
Yes, that's how bright verzisor argument is.
Seriously, now, those matches were awesome. One of the few internet-things that get close to the awesomeness of those matches is watching the reaction of some of Bisu's fanboys. Simply hilarious.
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On March 03 2009 06:17 FirstBorn wrote:
Bisu removed his probe after his first zealot got to the ramp. Bad idea, but that's not how you lose at a progaming level. Jaedong knew how to explot Bisu's vulnerable position and won.
I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that at the ramp Bisu had a probe and two zealots. What JD did was snipe the probe and just run by, since the ramp on Andromeda is too wide to block with just two zealots. I will watch the VOD later to confirm, but I don't think this was a hold position error, even though Nick said it was.
It was indisputably a stupid error on Bisu's part, and JD did the correct thing by exploting it. As a Bisu fan, I'm sorely disappointed in Bisu's anti-climactic play in the last game.
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On March 04 2009 06:39 Centric wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 06:17 FirstBorn wrote:
Bisu removed his probe after his first zealot got to the ramp. Bad idea, but that's not how you lose at a progaming level. Jaedong knew how to explot Bisu's vulnerable position and won. I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that at the ramp Bisu had a probe and two zealots. What JD did was snipe the probe and just run by, since the ramp on Andromeda is too wide to block with just two zealots. I will watch the VOD later to confirm, but I don't think this was a hold position error, even though Nick said it was. It was indisputably a stupid error on Bisu's part, and JD did the correct thing by exploting it. As a Bisu fan, I'm sorely disappointed in Bisu's anti-climactic play in the last game.
If you watch Bisu's probe count on the counter in the bottom right, it drops by one just before the screen switches to the ramp being penetrated. It's pretty obvious that you're right and that the probe was sniped.
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In that case, then it's both an error on Bisu's part for having the ramp so lightly defended, and a brilliant move on Jaedong's part.
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I think Bisu was gambling in games 4 and 5. Never have you seen him doing such weird builds in matches that matter. Maybe he didn't give a shit about this series and was confident enough in his ability to beat Jaedong when it matters (--------> OSL maybe?) after dominating in games 1 and 3.
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just saw vods.
wow awesome games until the last one..
disappointing but i guess it really does happen to everyone even bisu.
i Really wanted t see bisu's last build play out. 
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On March 04 2009 19:12 polarwolf wrote:
Maybe he didn't give a shit about this series
This is what Bisu fanboys actually believe and LOL at the stats Bisu gave to JD.
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On March 04 2009 19:12 polarwolf wrote:
I think Bisu was gambling in games 4 and 5. Never have you seen him doing such weird builds in matches that matter. Maybe he didn't give a shit about this series and was confident enough in his ability to beat Jaedong when it matters (--------> OSL maybe?) after dominating in games 1 and 3.
1 Base builds aren't "weird", they are very very strong against 9 pool/overpool zergs and that's exactly what Jaedong was doing. Bisu cared about this series, you can see 1-4 and his disappointment in game 5 to prove that one.
Bisu would have been at a HUGE advantage if he had not screwed up the ramp deal.
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On March 03 2009 03:44 verzisor wrote:
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.
LOL and not to mention that it's clear that you are one of Jaedong's fanboys...look at your favourite team, and your quote. I agree JD won fair and square but that doesn't make him the superior or better player. The better player isn't necessarily the one that won.
don't be a blind fanboy as well, JD wasn't lucky he sniped the shuttle, he mounted a deliberate attack on the shuttle.
he dominated that game and had bisu oblivious to his burrowed lings.
BTW i am a huge bisu fan.
it was pretty even with bisu having a slight edge going into game 5 and then huge wtf moment occurs, and like the best zerg in the world that he is JD ripped him to shreds for it
also wtf was with bisu giving JD two 5s that's pretty arrogant
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On March 04 2009 06:36 JohnBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2009 03:44 verzisor wrote:
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.
. Well, it seems that you are the fanboy over here. Let me describe to you how lucky Jaedong was on that match: 1) Luckly Jaedong reads Bisu's strategy correctly. 2) With his luck, Jaedong positions three diferent pairs of scourges nearby Bisu's natural (including a hidden one behind the natural). 3) Thanks to his good fortune, Jaedong produces around 8 lings and places them close to the natural expo. 4) Then, through sheer blind luck, JD order his lings to attack the natural, which causes the canons to fire at them and, immediatly after, comes with his scourge from different angles, surrounding the shuttle and killing it. Right now I am amazed by how lucky this kid is. But his fortune continues as he burrows lings around Bisu's base to scout every single Shuttle direction, positions his hidras on the correct spots to intercept the harass, maintain overlord over his expansions at all times... all of those simply due to his luck. Man, those luck strokes are really amazing, because, obviously, Bisu's game is far above Jaedong's and on a "standard" match Bisu would have won 100 out of 100 times. JD must thank his dark forsaken gods every single night for his incredible luck. I mean, he is above 65% winrate in all of his match-ups (not even to mention his 80% winrate in ZvZ). If I had that kind of luck, I would never play starcraft. Yeah, that's right, I would never play starcraft because I would be busy winning the lottery every month. Yes, that's how bright verzisor argument is. Seriously, now, those matches were awesome. One of the few internet-things that get close to the awesomeness of those matches is watching the reaction of some of Bisu's fanboys. Simply hilarious.
LOL can you think before you post? Luck means that Bisu wasn't paying attention to his shuttle when it was snipped...he could've hkeyed cannons to fire at scourge if he wanted to. It was only too late that he took control of the shuttle. I said nothing about Jaedong's ling placement which was excelent.
Look at my favorite team...Bisu FANBOYS select SKT as their favorite team. I am no Bisu fanboy even though I admit him being my favorite player. I am not blind to not see his mistakes. For example in the GOM match against FlaSh I thought Bisu should've lost...
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On March 04 2009 22:27 verzisor wrote:
Luck means that Bisu wasn't paying attention to his shuttle when it was snipped...
Fail logic?
On March 04 2009 22:27 verzisor wrote:
he could've hkeyed cannons to fire at scourge if he wanted to.
Eh, I'm pretty sure this is insanely hard to do because scourge are so small and move so fast and there are quite a bit of them. Also if you micro your cannons your sairs will stop moving and the scourge will hit anyway.
On March 04 2009 22:27 verzisor wrote: Look at my favorite team...Bisu FANBOYS select SKT as their favorite team. I am no Bisu fanboy even though I admit him being my favorite player. I am not blind to see his mistakes. For example in the GOM match against FlaSh I thought Bisu should've lost...
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Man, he's from Romania? :/ I wonder if he even watched the games. Probably through some heart-shaped glasses with Bisu reading in the middle.
I think JD's play was superb in game 2. In games 1 and 3 he went lurkerling, which I personally don't think has worked well at all ZvP as of late, and I can't remember a single game Bisu has lost to Lurkerling in the past ~4 months.
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On March 04 2009 07:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2009 06:39 Centric wrote:On March 03 2009 06:17 FirstBorn wrote:
Bisu removed his probe after his first zealot got to the ramp. Bad idea, but that's not how you lose at a progaming level. Jaedong knew how to explot Bisu's vulnerable position and won. I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that at the ramp Bisu had a probe and two zealots. What JD did was snipe the probe and just run by, since the ramp on Andromeda is too wide to block with just two zealots. I will watch the VOD later to confirm, but I don't think this was a hold position error, even though Nick said it was. It was indisputably a stupid error on Bisu's part, and JD did the correct thing by exploting it. As a Bisu fan, I'm sorely disappointed in Bisu's anti-climactic play in the last game. If you watch Bisu's probe count on the counter in the bottom right, it drops by one just before the screen switches to the ramp being penetrated. It's pretty obvious that you're right and that the probe was sniped.
Okay, awesome possum. It just irritates me that people keep saying it was a hold position error.
This happened to me a lot when I was just starting to play PvZ and insisting on 1 gating every game on Python. I quickly learned that you can't just block your ramp with 1 zealot and 1 probe...since the probe dies so easily you had better have something behind it. Bisu definitely dropped the ball on this one.
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On March 04 2009 22:51 Shikyo wrote:
Man, he's from Romania? :/ I wonder if he even watched the games. Probably through some heart-shaped glasses with Bisu reading in the middle.
I think JD's play was superb in game 2. In games 1 and 3 he went lurkerling, which I personally don't think has worked well at all ZvP as of late, and I can't remember a single game Bisu has lost to Lurkerling in the past ~4 months.
Can you please stop being racist and what not? So what you think people in Romania don't have internet or Tv to watch? get serious plz and stop insulting. I said nothing about you or your country. And I already talked about me being Bisu fanboy in a previous post.
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On March 05 2009 00:58 verzisor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2009 22:51 Shikyo wrote:
Man, he's from Romania? :/ I wonder if he even watched the games. Probably through some heart-shaped glasses with Bisu reading in the middle.
I think JD's play was superb in game 2. In games 1 and 3 he went lurkerling, which I personally don't think has worked well at all ZvP as of late, and I can't remember a single game Bisu has lost to Lurkerling in the past ~4 months. Can you please stop being racist and what not? So what you think people in Romania don't have internet or Tv to watch? get serious plz and stop insulting. I said nothing about you or your country. And I already talked about me being Bisu fanboy in a previous post.
Please verzisor. Its not luck when you do something very skilled that your opponent cannot handle. There was no way that shuttle could have survived and you know it.
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Luck was game 5. It had little to do with games 1 through 4.
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Clearly, this match failed to definitively establish one player as better than the other. OSL finals rematch gogogo.
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the bisu fanboys are killing me. none of you are making any sense.
"jaedong lucky for sniping his shuttle", ya pure luck. the scourge and zerglings magically moved themselves
"this set doesnt count" ya it doesnt cuz jaedong won, if bisu won it would've counted tho.
"bisu didnt care about this series at all look at games 1,3" yah, look at his expression everytime bisu lost a game, and go read the after-match interview, he didnt care about losing 7,000usd.
you're all so blinded by ur fanboyism that you dont make any sense. stop, you're only making yourselves look more stupid then you are.
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jaedong win = luck imo
how can you disagree with verzisor, jaedong's scourge miraculously came at the shuttle from three directions. I think he rallied them to three random positions on the map (uniformly distributed in two dimensions) which happened to occupy three positions that somehow perfectly encircled the shuttle. i'm sure if you do the math you get like 0.001% probability. lol 1/1000000 chance jaedong you lucky bastard. play bo1000000 against bisu you'll lose the other 999999 times imo The zerglings were probably also going to check for an expo at 1 o'clock but Jaedong misclicked and they went into the natural as the scourge zeroed in to the shuttle, which was probably also luck, I think he accidentally hotkeyed the scourge and wanted to move them away from corsairs but somehow they hit the shuttle.
bisu could have hotkeyed all of his cannons but didn't. I think this means jaedong was lucky imo. bisu probably looked away exactly when the scourge accidentally came into the nat, and so bisu just got unlucky not seeing such a brilliantly lucky play by jaedong. jaedong probably tricked him into looking elsewhere, which bisu probably fell for cuz he's unlucky. i mean this happens to me all the time, i'm microing my army and making units and i don't pay attention to my base for one second and there's two dropships with mnm in them and my spawning pool gets raped lol lucky bastards
also jaedong's burrowlings caught bisu's movements by luck. the way jaedong placed his zerglings all over the map, there was probably like a 95% chance that bisu's corsairs would avoid them. i mean, bisu couldn't see them burrowed (fuck burrow imba) so he had a chance that he'd avoid them, but he got unlucky and the 1% chance he had in getting caught happened, which means bisu got unlucky imo and jaedong got lucky for getting that 1% chance. i might not have gotten the exact probabilities, but the specifics don't really matter, those are just details - lucky jaedong imo
imo bisu could have won 3-0 but he lost his shuttle, lost a probe at his ramp, didn't get to scout Jaedong properly on Collosseum, and made lots of unlucky mistakes, imo. clearly they were due to luck and not anything else because bisu is better player imo i think having Estro as my favorite team means i'm objective imo. oh, also i love bisu but jaedong played well too, just he gets lucky like this lol imo bisu can win bo5 any day in which he doesn't get his shuttle sniped, loses probe at ramp, makes mistakes in scouting, and gets outplayed imo. just to be clear, though bisu's my favorite player but i'm not a fanboy, i just really like him
actually the only game that wasn't really luck was the last one. i think bisu just fucked up there and deserved to lose. see? i can be objective. jaedong outplayed bisu for sure in game 5. make sure you remember this one, i can be objective lol
also why would anyone seriously play for $7200 as opposed to $720 for second place lol... it's just another 0... it's not like bisu doesn't have money. he'd practice for OSL instead (i'm sure jaedong didn't practice for OSL and spent all his time scheming to get lucky against bisu) and throw his games because he's unlucky lol $7200 is nothing for bisu, no duh he didn't take it seriously. he said during his Winners League win against jaedong that he was so hyped and happy to beat jaedong, who he thought was one of the strongest opponents ever. before this match he said he looked forward to winning it, a statement which was unlucky imo. bisu didn't mean it cuz he was unlucky that day, he won because he was better than jaedong in Winners League but what he said in his interview was bad luck
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Hey guys, remember that Jaedong vs. Stork game where the lucky zerg noob sniped all of Stork's corsairs because he just happened to move in the mutalisks to draw the cannon fire so the scourge can kill the corsairs?
What a lucky noob.
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