• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:51
CEST 15:51
KST 22:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
GSL CK - monthly team event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1981 users

[GOM] Averatec-Intel Classic Special Match - Page 105

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 Next
ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
March 02 2009 19:12 GMT
#2081
Yes there was 2 zealots and I agree with previous comments that it was not hold position that made bisu lose. The probe got sniped and the error bisu mad was he did not get a backup probe. U need at least 2-3 probes to safetly block with 2 zeals.
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
March 02 2009 19:17 GMT
#2082
This is ridiculous, people coming in from right and left saying jaedong "owned bisu with luck" and "you can't hold position a probe". First and foremost you can hold position a probe if it is grouped with another unit, and since bisu had 2 zealots on that ramp, yes he could, and he probably did for reasons stated earlier in the thread (how bisu's probe count goes from 19 - 18 just when jaedong slips through which indicates that jaedong killed the probe). "Owned bisu with luck" with that shuttle snipe? There was absolutely no luck what so ever involved in that shuttle snipe. He ran in with lings which took cannon fire and attacked with 2 groups (or 3 I don't remember) with different angles which would force that shuttle to have speed to have the slightest chance of escaping.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 02 2009 19:22 GMT
#2083
On March 03 2009 03:44 verzisor wrote:
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.

LOL and not to mention that it's clear that you are one of Jaedong's fanboys...look at your favourite team, and your quote. I agree JD won fair and square but that doesn't make him the superior or better player. The better player isn't necessarily the one that won.


Jaedong timed the attack perfectly. He moved in with zerglings to draw cannonfire and attacked the shuttle with 4 scrourges from different angles. Luck had nothing to do with it.
I dont know about the last game but it seems as if jaedong sacrificed a few lings to be able to kill the probe in the middle and then run by. Bisu was overconfident with his wall of zealots and paid for it the same way jaedong paid for being overconfident with his lingattack in the beginning of game 1.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Kleander
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States334 Posts
March 02 2009 19:38 GMT
#2084
is this special match thing going to continue every season?

if so savior vs jaedong, much fun to be had :D
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. 지지 Guess who's learning Korean
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
March 02 2009 19:41 GMT
#2085
On March 03 2009 04:38 Kleander wrote:
is this special match thing going to continue every season?

if so savior vs jaedong, much fun to be had :D


Savior has to win a season of GOM first.
Graphics
ASAzerg
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada33 Posts
March 02 2009 19:56 GMT
#2086
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


Did you even read the thread? Do that before posting, noob.
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
March 02 2009 20:54 GMT
#2087
A short video just of the part we want to see:


http://www.vimeo.com/3432071
What are you tinkering about?
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 02 2009 21:17 GMT
#2088
Bisu removed his probe after his first zealot got to the ramp. Bad idea, but that's not how you lose at a progaming level. Jaedong knew how to explot Bisu's vulnerable position and won.

No point in starting a who played better discussion because you don't play better than your opponent and then lose. Playing starcraft isn't about fast hands , army postioning and reaver micro, it's about decision-making too. Even if Bisu's micro, macro, blah blah is better than Jaedong's, Jeadong knew how to exploit the poor zealot positioning and broke the ramp. Jaedong has the credit for taking advantage of Bisu's mistake.

And what's with the whole "hold position" bullshit ? Doesn't make any difference if the Bisu didn't hold position his zeals or JD sniped the probe. It's still a mistake programers aren't supose to do. There is of course a luck factor in every game, but you can't rely on it to win games.

If you're a pissed off Bisu fanboy, just hope for a rematch in the OSL finals and better play from him. All I saw in the previous pages were people bashing themselves for so small reasons I don't even know how the quarells started. Think before posting for a change.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
March 02 2009 22:30 GMT
#2089
Is there a way to watch these VODs in higher quality than the flash player on Gom's site?
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 22:45:03
March 02 2009 22:43 GMT
#2090
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.


LOL

Yeah it's clearly luck when lings run in to distract the cannons while 6 scourge go snipe the Shuttle.

Seriously dude
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
March 02 2009 22:56 GMT
#2091
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


group probe and zeal (or any other non-worker unit), then you can use hold position. what a noob -.-
Reptarem
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
155 Posts
March 02 2009 23:51 GMT
#2092
Does anyone know the build that bisu was going for? at the end, jaedong said if he didnt get inside the base he would have been at a disadvantage. what build was bisu doing or does no one know :s
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2114 Posts
March 03 2009 01:15 GMT
#2093
Looked like the same build he tried in game 4. 1 Gate expansion. Not terribly succesful to say the least, hehe.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 03 2009 01:31 GMT
#2094
An interview with Jaedong is mentioned several times within this thread but I can't find a link, I would prefer not to go through 50+ pages to find it. Can someone make a thread about it?
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
March 03 2009 02:58 GMT
#2095
Revolution? What Revolution?
GG, awesome matches!
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 03 2009 03:04 GMT
#2096
On March 03 2009 08:51 youinspireme wrote:
Does anyone know the build that bisu was going for? at the end, jaedong said if he didnt get inside the base he would have been at a disadvantage. what build was bisu doing or does no one know :s


You can see it play out a bit further in this game. Of course that's Best, but we can assume the general idea would have been about the same.
BW forever || Thall
Tuxedo.Bond
Profile Joined February 2009
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 03:12:31
March 03 2009 03:08 GMT
#2097
On March 03 2009 10:31 Darth_Ihsahn wrote:
An interview with Jaedong is mentioned several times within this thread but I can't find a link, I would prefer not to go through 50+ pages to find it. Can someone make a thread about it?



They mean when the female commentator is standing with Jaedong and Bisu directly after the last match. It's in the same VOD as game five.

http://www.gomtv.net/videos/576
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 03 2009 05:06 GMT
#2098
I didn't watch the whole video so I missed it. Thanks man.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
March 03 2009 21:06 GMT
#2099
Most anticlimactic game 5 EVER! Oh the horror!

But yay for the swarm!

But what the hell Bisu?
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 03 2009 21:11 GMT
#2100
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


i hate this kind of attitude
And all is illuminated.
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #126
CranKy Ducklings201
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 198
IndyStarCraft 139
ProTech129
Hui .101
trigger 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6418
Horang2 3328
Bisu 3008
Jaedong 2457
Shuttle 763
EffOrt 661
Aegong 468
Stork 368
Larva 346
Soma 331
[ Show more ]
Killer 291
Light 280
Hyuk 267
Snow 244
Mini 217
Soulkey 190
ggaemo 189
ZerO 169
actioN 157
Rush 125
hero 86
Sea.KH 83
Shinee 66
Sharp 66
JYJ 53
Hm[arnc] 52
Backho 42
[sc1f]eonzerg 41
sSak 38
Movie 26
zelot 19
Sacsri 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Terrorterran 14
GoRush 13
soO 11
Noble 10
910 9
Icarus 9
Dota 2
Gorgc3996
qojqva2079
Counter-Strike
fl0m1975
oskar80
Other Games
singsing2176
Liquid`RaSZi1088
B2W.Neo915
hiko609
Lowko404
crisheroes334
XcaliburYe186
RotterdaM184
XaKoH 133
ArmadaUGS80
QueenE75
Mew2King46
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 912
Other Games
BasetradeTV615
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV500
• lizZardDota237
League of Legends
• Nemesis1383
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h 10m
Replay Cast
19h 10m
Kung Fu Cup
22h 10m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 20h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.