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ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
March 02 2009 19:12 GMT
#2081
Yes there was 2 zealots and I agree with previous comments that it was not hold position that made bisu lose. The probe got sniped and the error bisu mad was he did not get a backup probe. U need at least 2-3 probes to safetly block with 2 zeals.
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
March 02 2009 19:17 GMT
#2082
This is ridiculous, people coming in from right and left saying jaedong "owned bisu with luck" and "you can't hold position a probe". First and foremost you can hold position a probe if it is grouped with another unit, and since bisu had 2 zealots on that ramp, yes he could, and he probably did for reasons stated earlier in the thread (how bisu's probe count goes from 19 - 18 just when jaedong slips through which indicates that jaedong killed the probe). "Owned bisu with luck" with that shuttle snipe? There was absolutely no luck what so ever involved in that shuttle snipe. He ran in with lings which took cannon fire and attacked with 2 groups (or 3 I don't remember) with different angles which would force that shuttle to have speed to have the slightest chance of escaping.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 02 2009 19:22 GMT
#2083
On March 03 2009 03:44 verzisor wrote:
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.

LOL and not to mention that it's clear that you are one of Jaedong's fanboys...look at your favourite team, and your quote. I agree JD won fair and square but that doesn't make him the superior or better player. The better player isn't necessarily the one that won.


Jaedong timed the attack perfectly. He moved in with zerglings to draw cannonfire and attacked the shuttle with 4 scrourges from different angles. Luck had nothing to do with it.
I dont know about the last game but it seems as if jaedong sacrificed a few lings to be able to kill the probe in the middle and then run by. Bisu was overconfident with his wall of zealots and paid for it the same way jaedong paid for being overconfident with his lingattack in the beginning of game 1.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Kleander
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States334 Posts
March 02 2009 19:38 GMT
#2084
is this special match thing going to continue every season?

if so savior vs jaedong, much fun to be had :D
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. 지지 Guess who's learning Korean
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
March 02 2009 19:41 GMT
#2085
On March 03 2009 04:38 Kleander wrote:
is this special match thing going to continue every season?

if so savior vs jaedong, much fun to be had :D


Savior has to win a season of GOM first.
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ASAzerg
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada33 Posts
March 02 2009 19:56 GMT
#2086
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


Did you even read the thread? Do that before posting, noob.
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
March 02 2009 20:54 GMT
#2087
A short video just of the part we want to see:


http://www.vimeo.com/3432071
What are you tinkering about?
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 02 2009 21:17 GMT
#2088
Bisu removed his probe after his first zealot got to the ramp. Bad idea, but that's not how you lose at a progaming level. Jaedong knew how to explot Bisu's vulnerable position and won.

No point in starting a who played better discussion because you don't play better than your opponent and then lose. Playing starcraft isn't about fast hands , army postioning and reaver micro, it's about decision-making too. Even if Bisu's micro, macro, blah blah is better than Jaedong's, Jeadong knew how to exploit the poor zealot positioning and broke the ramp. Jaedong has the credit for taking advantage of Bisu's mistake.

And what's with the whole "hold position" bullshit ? Doesn't make any difference if the Bisu didn't hold position his zeals or JD sniped the probe. It's still a mistake programers aren't supose to do. There is of course a luck factor in every game, but you can't rely on it to win games.

If you're a pissed off Bisu fanboy, just hope for a rematch in the OSL finals and better play from him. All I saw in the previous pages were people bashing themselves for so small reasons I don't even know how the quarells started. Think before posting for a change.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
March 02 2009 22:30 GMT
#2089
Is there a way to watch these VODs in higher quality than the flash player on Gom's site?
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 22:45:03
March 02 2009 22:43 GMT
#2090
LOL my god... I can't believe so many people are blind fanboys... get real Bisu's game was above Jaedong's. The luck was the fact that JD sniped that first shuttle... Bisu couldn't do any harassment. bcz of that.


LOL

Yeah it's clearly luck when lings run in to distract the cannons while 6 scourge go snipe the Shuttle.

Seriously dude
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
March 02 2009 22:56 GMT
#2091
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


group probe and zeal (or any other non-worker unit), then you can use hold position. what a noob -.-
Reptarem
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
155 Posts
March 02 2009 23:51 GMT
#2092
Does anyone know the build that bisu was going for? at the end, jaedong said if he didnt get inside the base he would have been at a disadvantage. what build was bisu doing or does no one know :s
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2006 Posts
March 03 2009 01:15 GMT
#2093
Looked like the same build he tried in game 4. 1 Gate expansion. Not terribly succesful to say the least, hehe.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 03 2009 01:31 GMT
#2094
An interview with Jaedong is mentioned several times within this thread but I can't find a link, I would prefer not to go through 50+ pages to find it. Can someone make a thread about it?
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
March 03 2009 02:58 GMT
#2095
Revolution? What Revolution?
GG, awesome matches!
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 03 2009 03:04 GMT
#2096
On March 03 2009 08:51 youinspireme wrote:
Does anyone know the build that bisu was going for? at the end, jaedong said if he didnt get inside the base he would have been at a disadvantage. what build was bisu doing or does no one know :s


You can see it play out a bit further in this game. Of course that's Best, but we can assume the general idea would have been about the same.
BW forever || Thall
Tuxedo.Bond
Profile Joined February 2009
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 03:12:31
March 03 2009 03:08 GMT
#2097
On March 03 2009 10:31 Darth_Ihsahn wrote:
An interview with Jaedong is mentioned several times within this thread but I can't find a link, I would prefer not to go through 50+ pages to find it. Can someone make a thread about it?



They mean when the female commentator is standing with Jaedong and Bisu directly after the last match. It's in the same VOD as game five.

http://www.gomtv.net/videos/576
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 03 2009 05:06 GMT
#2098
I didn't watch the whole video so I missed it. Thanks man.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
March 03 2009 21:06 GMT
#2099
Most anticlimactic game 5 EVER! Oh the horror!

But yay for the swarm!

But what the hell Bisu?
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 03 2009 21:11 GMT
#2100
On March 03 2009 03:57 wwooaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 23:33 ASAzerg wrote:
I think Bisu actually did hold position his probe. In his 2nd attempt to block the ramp which imprisoned the harassing lings, you can see that all the probes were in hold position cause they didn't try to pursue the lings. Come on, Bisu won't make such a noob mistake. What Jaedong meant by lucky win is that Bisu didn't have the ideal defense, which would probably be 3 zealots on the ramp. Or if he would use probe, at least put a few of them cause it's so easy to get sniped and leave hole on the defense as can be seen here.


probes can't be put on hold position, you fail


i hate this kind of attitude
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