Yes, clearly we can assume Bisu knows what is and is not necessary to block that ramp.

So either, you CAN block it with 2 zealots with absolutely perfect positioning, or he had a probe and lost it: So the question does become what happened to the probe?

My assumption, after watching the VOD like 40 times and laughing everytime tasteless yells "ITS CALLED HOLD POSITION BRO!!!"

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is that i'm pretty sure JD killed the probe. Its gay because the stupid observer was watching 1 ling chasing around a probe in JD's base - but you can clearly see on the minimap that some zerglings come in BEFORE the main group, that there are dead lings right in front of the zealot (blood splatter left over right where a probe kill could have taken place) when the main lings get there, AND that bisu has a probe travelling already towards the ramp that cleary left BEFORE the lings broke the ramp, assumedly to fill in the spot of the dead probe.

*EDIT*

YES, as the poster above me proved. Jaedong did indeed kill the probe!
The Probe count clearly goes from 19 back down to 18, with the scouting probe NOT yet dead

Whoaaa this adds a whole new dimension to it! At least now its not Bisu making a rookie mistake and not knowing the map - but Jaedong actually actively creating holes in his defense

holy hell....you're totally right.

Ideas

United States8162 Posts

March 02 2009 04:20 GMT

#2044

On March 02 2009 11:48 Atrioc wrote:

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you could say that bisu was playing risky with only 1 probe with his zeals at the ramp and not 2-3.

NovaTheFeared

United States7230 Posts

March 02 2009 04:58 GMT

#2045

Jaedong sniping the probe helping to block the ramp won him the game. Amazing.

Jaeden

Romania1489 Posts

March 02 2009 05:28 GMT

#2046

On March 02 2009 07:37 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
JD's muta micro was never that godlike, I always felt Lux's was better.

In the series that many people felt established JD as one of the best muta microers, JD vs Sea in OCL, jaedong lost like a muta for every 3 marines he killed, that game was basically Sea severely messing up his own fact/sv timing and trying to expo when he should've focused on defending (though Jaedong did pick off plenty of scvs too). Lux has always been the one to win on pure mutas, i.e. vs frozean and a few others I think. Jaedong's mutalisks have won him many games, but not on micro alone; alot of those wins were from prior ling control or super quick muta builds -> mutas finish opponents off.

JD won many games with pure mutalisk (bluestorm comes in mind), or with pure muta into guards.
Also he couldn`t pick up the archons because there were cannons and corsairs, and if u look close he was preoccupied with the corsairs. Also there was no cliff to make things easier, and bisu did micro well those archons

The korean commentators all say that JD has great mutalisk micro...I bet they have some knowledge. It's just that he's also good at other things, so yeah. Oh and what about the ZvZ ?

I`m not saying he's clearly the best or anything, I`m just saying that he is very good with mutas

talismania

United States2364 Posts

March 02 2009 05:34 GMT

#2047

On March 02 2009 12:40 fearus wrote:
The correct positiion would have been

--> Up ramp direction -->

...Zealot
...........Probe
...Zealot

I'm pretty sure this was the position he had... the probe just got dragged out by the lings because it wasn't on hold position (grouped with the zealots).

Ozarugold

2716 Posts

March 02 2009 05:34 GMT

#2048

What's up with Jaedong dropping the first game in a set? Rofl~

I'm so happy that Jaedong won, but I'm sad that I missed it. I must catch up by watching through the awesome power of VODs~

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

March 02 2009 06:30 GMT

#2049

I don't think the probe got dragged. If you look at the map, the ramp is fat enough that the probe literally squeezes between the two zealots. 3 lings could've hit it and killed it in a few.

NovaTheFeared

United States7230 Posts

March 02 2009 06:49 GMT

#2050

Judging from the blood at the ramp, it appears Jaedong killed the probe actually on the ramp before running past.

dekuschrub

United States2069 Posts

March 02 2009 06:50 GMT

#2051

hahhah jaedong rates bisu's defense a 2/10 that is so funny.

yeah i have no idea what happened with game 5.. so happy that JD won though

Lachrymose

Australia1928 Posts

March 02 2009 06:59 GMT

#2052

On March 02 2009 14:34 talismania wrote:

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I'm pretty sure this was the position he had... the probe just got dragged out by the lings because it wasn't on hold position (grouped with the zealots).

except if that were the case the probe would run, not get dragged. in any event the unit counter shows bisu lost a probe when his ramp was broken, this combined with the zerg blood i think makes it pretty obvious jaedong killed the probe and ran past.

Fr33t

United States1128 Posts

March 02 2009 07:14 GMT

#2053

Interesting find, at least it wasn't as easy as Jaedong running right by.

Verilan

United States67 Posts

March 02 2009 07:14 GMT

#2054

On March 02 2009 15:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Judging from the blood at the ramp, it appears Jaedong killed the probe actually on the ramp before running past.

On March 02 2009 15:59 Lachrymose wrote:

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Jaedong DID kill the probe, but the point is it was dragged. Jaedong ran up the ramp for vision, then ran back without senselessly engaging, like every good zerg does. He then notices the probe is dragged (as is the case when a hostile unit is near but doesn't land the first hit on a probe). He is shocked and kills the probe on the ramp while losing a zergling, then proceeds to run past the zealots.

I see where the confusion is but in the end, yes, it was an ungodly micro error that lost the game and not some godly zergling micro that won it.

If that was the case, Jaedong wouldn't have given his interview the way he did.