[GOM] Averatec-Intel Classic Special Match - Page 103

On March 02 2009 12:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:

They're already up at gomtv.net I doubt there will be anywhere else for a long time.

On March 02 2009 11:48 Atrioc wrote:


Yes, clearly we can assume Bisu knows what is and is not necessary to block that ramp.

So either, you CAN block it with 2 zealots with absolutely perfect positioning, or he had a probe and lost it: So the question does become what happened to the probe?


My assumption, after watching the VOD like 40 times and laughing everytime tasteless yells "ITS CALLED HOLD POSITION BRO!!!"

(BTW - + Show Spoiler +

is that i'm pretty sure JD killed the probe. Its gay because the stupid observer was watching 1 ling chasing around a probe in JD's base - but you can clearly see on the minimap that some zerglings come in BEFORE the main group, that there are dead lings right in front of the zealot (blood splatter left over right where a probe kill could have taken place) when the main lings get there, AND that bisu has a probe travelling already towards the ramp that cleary left BEFORE the lings broke the ramp, assumedly to fill in the spot of the dead probe.

*EDIT*

YES, as the poster above me proved. Jaedong did indeed kill the probe!
The Probe count clearly goes from 19 back down to 18, with the scouting probe NOT yet dead

Whoaaa this adds a whole new dimension to it! At least now its not Bisu making a rookie mistake and not knowing the map - but Jaedong actually actively creating holes in his defense

On March 02 2009 11:48 Atrioc wrote:


Yes, clearly we can assume Bisu knows what is and is not necessary to block that ramp.

So either, you CAN block it with 2 zealots with absolutely perfect positioning, or he had a probe and lost it: So the question does become what happened to the probe?


My assumption, after watching the VOD like 40 times and laughing everytime tasteless yells "ITS CALLED HOLD POSITION BRO!!!"

(BTW - + Show Spoiler +

is that i'm pretty sure JD killed the probe. Its gay because the stupid observer was watching 1 ling chasing around a probe in JD's base - but you can clearly see on the minimap that some zerglings come in BEFORE the main group, that there are dead lings right in front of the zealot (blood splatter left over right where a probe kill could have taken place) when the main lings get there, AND that bisu has a probe travelling already towards the ramp that cleary left BEFORE the lings broke the ramp, assumedly to fill in the spot of the dead probe.

*EDIT*

YES, as the poster above me proved. Jaedong did indeed kill the probe!
The Probe count clearly goes from 19 back down to 18, with the scouting probe NOT yet dead

Whoaaa this adds a whole new dimension to it! At least now its not Bisu making a rookie mistake and not knowing the map - but Jaedong actually actively creating holes in his defense

On March 02 2009 07:37 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
JD's muta micro was never that godlike, I always felt Lux's was better.

In the series that many people felt established JD as one of the best muta microers, JD vs Sea in OCL, jaedong lost like a muta for every 3 marines he killed, that game was basically Sea severely messing up his own fact/sv timing and trying to expo when he should've focused on defending (though Jaedong did pick off plenty of scvs too). Lux has always been the one to win on pure mutas, i.e. vs frozean and a few others I think. Jaedong's mutalisks have won him many games, but not on micro alone; alot of those wins were from prior ling control or super quick muta builds -> mutas finish opponents off.

On March 02 2009 12:40 fearus wrote:
The correct positiion would have been

--> Up ramp direction -->

...Zealot
...........Probe
...Zealot

On March 02 2009 14:34 talismania wrote:


I'm pretty sure this was the position he had... the probe just got dragged out by the lings because it wasn't on hold position (grouped with the zealots).

On March 02 2009 15:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Judging from the blood at the ramp, it appears Jaedong killed the probe actually on the ramp before running past.

On March 02 2009 15:59 Lachrymose wrote:


except if that were the case the probe would run, not get dragged. in any event the unit counter shows bisu lost a probe when his ramp was broken, this combined with the zerg blood i think makes it pretty obvious jaedong killed the probe and ran past.

On March 02 2009 16:50 lilsusie wrote:
susie's done.

On March 02 2009 16:50 lilsusie wrote:
susie's done.